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30 Nov 00 - 06:17 PM (#349234) Subject: Calendar - Pick a month From: alison OK.. time to get started... calling all people with access to any sort of publishing software.... pick a month... get some people to email you the pics.. and see how you go...... I'm going to try with publisher...... I'm looking for anyone with birthdays in May....... so Kendall, Bill D, Jed Marum and anyone else out there...... send me your pics please.... (jpeg) slainte alison (epulse@tpg.com.au) |
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30 Nov 00 - 06:22 PM (#349240) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: alison here's the old thread..... so who wants to pick another month?..... not much time if we need to get this out before January...... slainte alison |
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30 Nov 00 - 07:17 PM (#349267) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Zebedee Alison, The cynic in me guesses that this will never happen, but if you and the others who posted 'yes' in the previous thread are serious, I'd be happy to help organanise / co-ordinate it. A couple of things I think need considering: 1. Getting 12 individuals to produce independent 'month' pages without any layout/design guidance is going to result in a real mess, the pages will all be different sizes to begin with... Some sort of template is needed. 2. Letting people use 'any' publishing software is going to make it a complete nightmare, or even an impossibility for whoever finally puts it together. Even if everyone used MS Publisher, different versions of Publisher won't read files created in other versions. Publisher 98 won't read Publisher 97 files or visa-versa. Neither version will open Publisher 2000 files etc. 3. Is the calender going to be a 'nude' calendar, a 'baby and adult' calender or what? btw - my guess is that those who (understandably) don't want to appear 'nude' don't quite understand the nature of 'nudity' in this type of thing. If they did, maybe more would be interested. I'm sorry if this sounds really negative, and there are other problems as to who prints it, how it is distributed etc. However, I do think that ways round all the above could be found, and whilst it probably wouldn't make much money, it might make a bit and be good fun for all involved. If your serious, I'm very happy to offer lots of help to make sure it happens. Let me know Ed |
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30 Nov 00 - 07:28 PM (#349274) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Allan C. I thought I had read the other threads rather thoroughly but I guess I must have missed something. As I understand it the proposal is that we will have lots of different people working on separate portions of the calendar while using whatever publishing programs they have at hand. I have not seen discussion of how this all will be joined together into a single document nor how it will look when it is done. Are we going to procure the prints of each month from each of the editors? Are the various editors going to submit their products to a single point in order for the final document to be printed as a single, cohesive item? With regard to printing, is the final document to be sent to a printer? If so, on behalf of printers everywhere, (of which I am not one,) I beseech you to use only one program to format the document. What about binding? Are we talking about just having some sheets all stapled together or would the whole thing be spiral bound? By whom? I would be happy to help with what printers would call "finishing" the end product in any way I can once I understand more about it. Ignorantly yours, Allan |
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30 Nov 00 - 07:36 PM (#349278) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: alison that's why I am asking for anyone with experience to come forward.. all I ahd in mind doing at this stage is gathering together the photos for a particular month.. and making some sort of montage.... then we send it off to who ever can actually work with the thing and let them sort out the fancy stuff..... thanks for the offer Ed... so where do we go from here? slainte alison |
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30 Nov 00 - 08:17 PM (#349295) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Zebedee Where do we go from here? My approach would be: 1. Decide on the type of calendar that we're doing. I think the only viable option is the 'nude but not nude' one. Otherwise, only the people featured are going to pay for pictures of people that they don't know, can access for free through the resource section, and aren't particularly attractive anyway. 2. Send personal messages to everyone who said 'yes' to ascertain if they really meant it, and if they'll actually send pictures. 3. Start a new thread which includes links to pictures from other such calendars, so that the bashful can see that 'nudity' doesn't actually mean nudity. 4. Watch this thread, see who is really willing to help, and try to form a small committee (within the next few days) to organise it. Choose an overall co-ordinator for this. 5. Get in touch with Max. Get his thoughts on production / distribution / promotion. 6. Work out how to produce it. I have access to decent colour printers / binders but living in the UK would probably not be the best choice, for what is likely to be a mostly US thing. I've got various ideas as to how to implement some of the above, but given that I'm so slow at typing, there seems little point sharing them unless a) there are enough people who are interested and b) Max agrees to the whole project. Ed
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30 Nov 00 - 08:34 PM (#349302) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Allan C. All pictures would need to be put into a single format such as jpeg. I am not sure which format would be best for this. (I say this knowing that some have offered hard copies of their photos which would need to be digitized.) Suggestions? |
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30 Nov 00 - 08:42 PM (#349306) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: MMario - photo format would depend on what program is being used to compile - most desktop publishers will import many different photo file formats. BTW - I think we have a volunteer over on the CD cover art thread |
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30 Nov 00 - 08:43 PM (#349308) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: GUEST,Sarah Alison, I have experience. I am a commercial artist, specializing in print: 1) photos need to be jpeg if sent over the net, but CHECK RESOLUTION! For a printed piece, they need to be 200 or more, not 72. What looks clear on the computer screen is not good enough! Better to reduce it to small with high resolution than to try to send a large photo at 72dpi. 2) decide how you want to format this calendar. There are lots of different kinds out there (wall, desk, pocket). 3) gimme some photos and I'll play with a designs if you like and send a few back to you (whoever you are...) 4) at this date, you ought to be advised that you're looking at a 2002 calendar, unless you want to post one month each month and make it a collection... Sarah |
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30 Nov 00 - 08:46 PM (#349309) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Zebedee Allan C / MMario With all due respect, I think we need to decide whether this is going to happen, who's going to do the work etc, before we start debating graphic formats.... Ed |
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30 Nov 00 - 08:52 PM (#349312) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: alison Great Sarah... where are you based? (I agree it probably needs to be a US thing)....... and how much would a project like this be likely to cost? I'd be inclined to go for a wall calendar, still keen on the nude but not nude idea...... not baby photos.... slainte alison |
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30 Nov 00 - 09:03 PM (#349319) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Allan C. My concern was that since Alison had already announced her month, that people would start sending photos to her in every format under the sun. I fully agree that we need a few more names in this pot before we can decide whether this will actually get off the ground. I have some knowledge of such projects because of the field in which I used to work. However, my poor computer is just barely holding together at present and so I cannot help with the early portions of the process. Truth is, Ed, I am very impressed with the organized way in which you are approaching this. I would vote for you as coordinator anytime. Sarah, how wonderful of you to offer to lend a hand! Would you please consider becoming a member so that as this thing progresses we could send you personal messages? (This is one of the percs of membership. Oh, and have no fear, membership doesn't put you on any mailing lists or require anything of you in any other way. Join us!) |
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30 Nov 00 - 09:07 PM (#349322) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: GUEST,Sarah Alison, I'm in the U.S. I'll do my end for zippo, 'cause it's fun. I can make a CD that most printers ought to be able to use, as I have the basic programs they use, and can make both CDs for Macs and Windows with my programs. Printing costs vary. Are we going 4/C? I'd suggest that, once I've got a design everyone on the "Committee" can live with, I make pdfs of a single page and send them out with the specs to as many participants as are willing to go get bids from their local printers. That way, we can get the best deal in the country for printing. When that decision is made, the final CD can be shipped to the printer. If you're concerned up front about costs, get a calendar and take it to your neighborhood printer and ask for a ballpark cost for however many you think should be printed. (Note: price breaks usually start at 1,000, as the cost of printing each piece lessens in proportion with the number being printed.) I'll need a good proofreader, here. People should not proof their own work, as the errors we make are the errors we miss -- and my fingers have been known to become dyslexic... Sarah
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30 Nov 00 - 09:19 PM (#349324) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: katlaughing I had a thought or two about this. We could make this a virtual calendar, an adjunct of the Mudcat, a special page for each month as it comes up with some graphics, photos and pertinent dates. Of course, Max would have to approve this. The other thought I had for a virtual one, is that those who want to volunteer to do a month, get together a website on tripod or one of the other freebies, then each do their page, using the same template, with each one having access via an agreed upon name and password. I don't have a lot of time between now and the first of the year, but will help as much as possible; am a good proofreader and have design/layout experience. Oh, also have a couple of photos.**BG** kat |
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30 Nov 00 - 09:36 PM (#349330) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: alison Yep Allan I second Zebedee for co-ordinator..... Kat I thought of that too... but how do we get the money? slainte alison |
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30 Nov 00 - 09:41 PM (#349334) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Zebedee Kat, A 'virtual' calendar would negate the whole point of this idea. I (and I hope I'm not alone) would like to do something 'different' - something that you can hang on the wall. A virtual site (particularly hosted by tripod) will just result in rubbush pages, written by people who don't understand design, and that no-one will want to visit. It wouldn't make any money, and beyond allowing webdesigners to smirk at how bad amateur sites are, I can't see any purpose. Ed |
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30 Nov 00 - 09:49 PM (#349342) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: katlaughing Well, thanks, Ed, for that assessment, *site* unseen! I happen to have a couple of sites on there that don't look too bad. I admit I had forgotten about the fundraising aspect. *sigh* kat |
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30 Nov 00 - 09:56 PM (#349347) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Zebedee Kat, I've seen your sites, and I don't mean to criticise your work in any way. I was simply questioning the validity of 'whoever' being in charge of each month. 'Whoever' generally doesn't know what s/he's doing. No personal offence intended. Ed |
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30 Nov 00 - 10:10 PM (#349355) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Zebedee Getting back to the original purpose of this thread, Is the production of a calendar possible? I'd like to think so. The number of people who might buy it / pose for it is, is an unknown. I'd be interested in trying to make it happen. I won't be here much for the next 36 hours, but I'm still keen to try and make it work. January may be an unrealistic starting date, but there are a myriad of calenders that we could use as the start of the year. If you want to make this work, let us know Ed |
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30 Nov 00 - 10:10 PM (#349356) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: GUEST,Sarah Alison, I've sent you my e-mail address via yours above. You can share it with whoever's in charge of this... Allen, I'm still a bit leery of joining things, even this wonderful place. I mean, look at what I've already gotten myself into! Sarah |
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30 Nov 00 - 10:18 PM (#349362) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: simon-pierre Don't forget me in May. I'll try to send the picture soon. Clothed... |
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30 Nov 00 - 10:33 PM (#349370) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: catspaw49 LMAO........This is a RIOT!!!! Ya' see, just before I got this nasty-ass case of the flu, I was sitting here late one night and thought I'd see who was on ICQ. I log on and sure enough, my buddy alison pops in with message about the hurdy-gurdy nude calendar. Me and al get to talkin' about how depressing tings have been around the 'Cat lately with a number of serious illnesses and deaths. We think its time for some tomfoolery and decide the Mudcat Nudie Calendar would be a fun topic. I tell her to start it because no one will "play" with me on the thing and I'll make sure it gets going. She does, I do, it moves along. NOW.....250 or more posts later y'all are sounding like a Operating Committee Meeting at a Fortune 500!!!! It started off as a joke and a way to lighten the mood and tenor of the joint! It has.....my only regret being that after the first day I was too sick to do any more than read the progress occasionally. I'm glad it has lightened things up, but at the same time, let's not get so bogged down here that this joke becomes a source of friction! Geeziz.......... Reminds me of Will Rogers old line............. When Congress makes a joke, its a law. And when they make a law, its a joke. Spaw |
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30 Nov 00 - 10:40 PM (#349377) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Bill D well, I did this sample in 30 seconds with my "Calendar Commander" program...picture is only 35 megs.....I made a 12 month calendar for a friend in about an hour last year, including choosing pics, font, adding 'special days'...(Mudcat holidays could be includes..) and printing.... |
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30 Nov 00 - 10:41 PM (#349378) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: alison see what you started..... *grin* try "matching the butts" again.. it might work now.... but now the calendar has potential..... hahaha... so what month are you going to appear 'spaw? slainte alison |
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30 Nov 00 - 10:45 PM (#349380) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: alison looks pretty good Bill, easy too.... slainte alison |
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30 Nov 00 - 10:46 PM (#349381) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Bill D yep, spaw, things DO go like that....why it seems like only yesterday that Dick Greenhaus was sitting around saying.."Ya know what? We could put songs on a computer disk!"...... who knows, YOU could be "Mr. August"...unless enough folks contribute to keep you off..*grin* |
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30 Nov 00 - 10:50 PM (#349384) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Matt_R This was a lot more fun when it was just an idea! Don't you hate it when WORK interferes with fun??? |
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30 Nov 00 - 11:02 PM (#349389) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: GUEST,Sarah BillD, Looks good -- but blurry, I'm afraid. Youse guys can do it any way you like, of course. If you're just selling amongst friends, then by all means go with a Calendar program and have a ball. My feelings won't be hurt -- hell, 20 years in this business and it ALL rolls off my back. Sarah |
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30 Nov 00 - 11:13 PM (#349394) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: catspaw49 Sarah, please don't take my note as an insult, although they are my specialty. I was just taken with the humor in what this joke had become. AND DAMMIT Bill......I want June! Spaw |
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30 Nov 00 - 11:19 PM (#349398) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Bill D Matt...you just may have a point!!! Sarah...yep...that was just a screen capture..not a good picture Spaw...you can have it...(I was gonna take it, but I heard "What is so rare as Day in June") |
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30 Nov 00 - 11:40 PM (#349411) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: GUEST,Sarah (Sorry, hair-trigger send button...) Spaw, I wasn't being insulted. I understood the levity bit, really. These things do take on a life of their own, though. Y'know, though, all, here's a thought: Maybe BillD or someone could trot out a 2001 calendar to sell to mudcats, and then we could begin the concept and design for a 2002 calendar. I think I could come up with some ideas that would both benefit the mudcat and interest folks at large. Decorative calendars do sell, or you wouldn't see so many out there each year. Sarah |
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30 Nov 00 - 11:41 PM (#349412) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: katlaughing No problem, Ed, but I do think it is presumpious to think that the "whomevers" would be less than adequate. We've got a slew of talented and capable people on here. Looks good, Bill, sweet and simple. Thanks, katwhowantstoseeCleigh'sassonacalendarpage! |
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01 Dec 00 - 01:05 AM (#349439) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: alison I think what Bill did was good....... with a better (less blurry) pic is it good enough among friends? ie. would you buy one? my initial idea was for something along those lines but with as many people's faces etc....(*grin*) ... as we could fit on per month...... its quick and easy...... but would be be easy enough to do..... if bill was to send a few of us the template / fonts etc.... could we put it together and forward it to someone who could do the printing? naievely (or however that would be spelt) slainte alison |
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01 Dec 00 - 01:15 AM (#349440) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: DougR Why not a committee of say, Alison, kat, one or two others to make the decisions Alison posed in her second posting. Then we would agree to do whatever the committee decides to do. We would never get concensus in the whole forum. Haven't read all the posts above as I am about (Yawn) to got to bed. If someone else suggested this, I second the motion. DougR |
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01 Dec 00 - 01:17 AM (#349442) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: DougR Oh, and March is my month. DougR |
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01 Dec 00 - 01:19 AM (#349443) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Bugsy AUGUST.
Cheers Bugsy |
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01 Dec 00 - 05:30 AM (#349471) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: bbc Doug, That means you *must* have a photo in, 'cause you & I would be together (the Republican minority)! :) bbc (1st day of Spring baby) |
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01 Dec 00 - 06:45 AM (#349480) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: bill\sables As most of us are musicians could we have a calandar with lots of room beside the date to write notes re bookings and not just a grid of numbers. Another point to remember is it would be an international calandar and therefore should have public holiday days (eg 4th July) marked from every country if it is going to have any at all. Bill |
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01 Dec 00 - 06:48 AM (#349481) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Naemanson Concerning the start of the new year and calendars please consider this. As a group, musically, we are out of step with the majority of our peers. So why on earth should we bother with a calendar that runs from January to January? What month did Mudcat become a website? Isn't that month and year the beginning of the mudcat world? If it was, say, in April why doesn't the Mudcat calendar run from April to April? Besides, April Fool's Day is the perfect start date for a Mudcat Calendar. I'm in for July and I will be as nude as the December weather allows. |
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01 Dec 00 - 08:26 AM (#349520) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Ella who is Sooze what about a great virtual calender... That people can print out if they wish and then that would save on a whole lot of printing costs... and perhaps an awful lot of wasted paper if the calenders don't get bought by many people? Just an idea? Ella |
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01 Dec 00 - 08:51 AM (#349539) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Allan C. Ella, please see the post: From: kat/katlaughing Date: 30-Nov-00 - 09:19 PM and the follow-up: From: Zebedee Date: 30-Nov-00 - 09:41 PM But thanks for thinking about it. |
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01 Dec 00 - 11:16 AM (#349618) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Ella who is Sooze ahhh but ahhhh but..... I didn't explain properly.... Someone designs the calender as a whole - as if it were going to press... Then they get the file of the whole calender as the finished item put into an Adobe Acrobat PDF file - or similar format... (you can also get free downloads for this program) Where people can down load the file from a mud cat link and print off so they get their own copies... You have to think of distribution costs too... I know something about this I work for a publisher as a graphic designer in the UK... On the whole I think this would be cheaper than printing... plus a whole lot more ecologically sustainable? Anyways... Only an idea... Ella |
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01 Dec 00 - 11:50 AM (#349637) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: MMario But ella - how would we raise funds with that? |
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01 Dec 00 - 12:05 PM (#349647) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Morticia Well, I'm happy to be gofer, willing pair of hands, tea-maker, whatever you like....I'd looked at the programme Bill suggested and it seems pretty good.....if a few people collected and worked on montages in an agreed format within that programme then send the results to a central source for printing and distibution, I don't see why it wouldn't work.....but then I am notoriously slow sometimes. |
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01 Dec 00 - 12:27 PM (#349668) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Bill D Wherever it is printed, there will be some 'real' expenses in binding and packaging and mailing over various oceans...UNLESS several copies of a calendar program existed and it was designed, the templates emailed to the various locations, and printed in say....Australia, UK, and USA... (I am up to my neck in craft shows till next week, but I will do some experiments with my program soon and post/email/snailmail some results).... And, like Naemanson says...who says the Mudcat year has to start with January? Lots of us are very busy with holiday stuff right now, so a Jan. deadline may be tricky....(Mudcat was born in October....just an idea)[not that we want to wait that long] |
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01 Dec 00 - 01:11 PM (#349701) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Bill D (the one full calendar I ever did, I did on just heavy stock paper...20 or 22 lb., I think ......and simply stapled it together....it looked fine, but needed a better binding system) |
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01 Dec 00 - 02:24 PM (#349731) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: GUEST,Sarah Okay, I'm awake now (as much as I ever am), and a little more coherent than last night. Anyway, I remembered some things: There is, now, a "press" that a lot of printers are getting so they can make short runs, anything from 30 sheets at a time to 500 or so. It's from IBM and is called a Docutech. Sort of a glorified copier, only much higher quality. And they've recently come out with a color one. The shop where I work has one on order, but it isn't due to deliver until after the new year. However, there are already plenty out there, especially in big cities. The beauty of the beast is that there are no negatives or plates needed -- everything goes straight from one computer to the Docutech computer and, voila!, out she comes at the other end! It's one of the cheapest ways to go. And it's fast -- you can usually get your product back within the week, even at a printer who is not a Quick Print Joint. Also, most printers these days can be e-mailed your art. You'll want to snail-mail, ship or deliver a "hard copy" to them, too, or they're going to be reluctant to take responsibility for the final product. However, this does mean that you can e-mail your art overseas -- making it possible to have a few printed under the auspices of someone in England/Scotland/Ireland, another few under the auspices of an Australian mudcat, another few in Germany, etc. The on-the-scene mudcat can print out a hard copy and deliver it with the local order. The drawbacks are that 1) the largest sheet of paper the Docutech will print on is 11 x 17; 2) you cannot bleed inks, but must leave 1/4" all the way around the paper, so your image area is actually 10-1/2 x 16-1/2; 3) I don't know about the four-color Docutech, but the black-and-white one doesn't like coated paper (the slick stuff magazines are printed on), so your photos and such must be 133 line screen (266 resolution) to avoid ink spread. (Note: If you're running them from your own printer, it may not matter, but please note that professional printers require that photos be CMYK, not RGB. Most photos scan RGB and will need to be taken into Photoshop or a comparable program and converted.) If all interested parties will take the time find out if there's a color Docutech nearby, get an ballpark figure for a four-color calendar of 12 pages (or 6, depending on the design), say 50 copies, and report back to "The Mudcat Calendar Committee," you'll have an idea of real cost for these. You can then broadcast a price and see what kind of orders you get in response. Meanwhile, BillD can have fun playing with the pictures, and I'll be happy to advise on how to get the product so ready for printing that no "extras" show up on the print bills because they have to do something other than open the rascal on their computers and run it -- i.e., trapping artwork, sending backup documents and fonts with your e-mail, other stuff they don't tell you in art class. I'm probably forgetting stuff, but that's the way I am. Sarah |
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01 Dec 00 - 03:25 PM (#349757) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: NightWing Hmm, interesting! Turns out that DocuTech is in most Kinko's shops worldwide (check with your local shop). I just talked to a guy at my downtown Kinko's and he said that for 60-pound paper (card stock?) printing 2-sided 11x17 in color would run 4.80 USD per sheet. They offer price breaks at 100, 250, 500, and 1,000 IMPRESSIONS (thus, 50, 125, 250, and 500 sheets), with the price at 500 pages being 3.56 USD. So, let's do the math. If this calendar were to be two-sided 11x17 in color, folded in half and stapled, a single calendar would be six pages or 28.80 USD. Fifty calendars would be 300 pages at ~4.00 USD per sheet (just a guess, I didn't get that price) or 24.00 USD per calendar. Somehow I'm not sure that this would be the way to go. You sure it wouldn't be cheaper to print it all at one place and pay for the international shipping?
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01 Dec 00 - 04:21 PM (#349799) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Allan C. As someone who formerly ran a shop full of Xerox copiers, I have to agree that the Xerox Docutech is a wonderful machine that many shops use. The larger chains such as Kinkos, Sir Speedy, etc. have them. None of them handle slick sheets (coated paper) very well - even though the Xerox sales reps would have you think otherwise. Unfortunately, I am geographically separated from all of my contacts in this field. I hope to visit one of them sometime soon, though and will pick his brain for ideas. My guess is that we might be able to find a printer who is already tooled to run calendars and whose prices might be reasonable. I know this is true for the ones that run cookbooks for churches and clubs. Some of you big city dwellers would have a better opportunity to check on such print sources. Those of you in related businesses who get some of the professional magazines might find some useful advertisements in the back pages. All my old magazines are in storage someplace.
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01 Dec 00 - 04:33 PM (#349811) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Amergin Personally, I like Ella's idea....what you can do is to show a couple of sample pages on a website, and if the people like it they can enter in their credit card information to download it. If they don't have a credit card (such as myself), they can send in a check or money order for an authorisation code to download it or receive a disk with the calendar on it. Amerginwhothinksheexplaineditclearlybutisnotquitesure. |
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01 Dec 00 - 04:51 PM (#349825) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: snake (Doug & BBC, I'm a new member that you can add to your Repbulican minority.) The calendar idea sounds intriguing and there is a local coffee shop/book store that has started having live (small, both in numbers and reputation) folk/blues/r&b performers on Sat. nights and the shop might be inclined to allow sale of the calendar during those times. Cindy |
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01 Dec 00 - 04:59 PM (#349829) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: SINSULL All this serious logistics talk and we haven't even decided if we should all be strategically and professionally waxed for the photo sessions! Where are your priorities? |
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01 Dec 00 - 06:26 PM (#349885) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: GUEST,Sarah Kinkos, Sir Speedy and your other worldwide quick printers are going to be the highest priced, I promise. Locally based quick printers will be cheaper, and large local print shops will the the cheapest -- if they have a Docutech. Sarah |
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01 Dec 00 - 06:30 PM (#349888) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: GUEST,Sarah Oh, sorry, it is Xerox, not IBM. When we get our color one, everyone in the Art Department gets to learn how to run them both -- even moi. Scary, ain't it? Definitely, wax. Sarah |
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01 Dec 00 - 06:46 PM (#349893) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Matt_R We have a thermal wax printer over here in our School of Art computer lab. I printed CD album covers I designed on it...beautiful print job. |
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01 Dec 00 - 08:27 PM (#349923) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Bill D my personal opinion is that it oughta be done at home on someones printer for round one..until it is clear that we NEED professional help. You can do amazing things at home these days. |
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01 Dec 00 - 08:52 PM (#349934) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Allan C. That'll be exciting, Sarah - for a while anyway. Nothing magical about them. They're about the same as an oversized laser printer. You are quite right about the chain stores having the higher prices. There are some (but not many) independent print/copy shops that can afford to lay out the bucks for a Docutech. The last I hear the full size Docutechs were around 200 grand. I'll bet there are those among us who could find a shop that has one. As for running them at home, I would be all for it but...well, my math might not be the best, but if we are talking about as many calendars as I think we are, it would work out to be a hell of a lot of images for a home printer. I'm not saying it couldn't be done, though. |
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01 Dec 00 - 10:13 PM (#349968) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: alison OR......... if we talked Max / Dick / Sandy into it..... could there be an online calendar / program type thing.... kept at Mudcat or Camsco, or Folk Legacy/ wherever... and if peoeple pay their money... they get to download it..... and print it out at home....... hence no heavy printing costs.... just a thought.... slainte alison |
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01 Dec 00 - 10:22 PM (#349973) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Allan C. Well, Alison, you are the queen of sweet talk. So why don't you send out some feelers on that and see what kind of feedback you get? |
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01 Dec 00 - 10:28 PM (#349975) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: MMario the docutechs aren't any harder to run (manually) then a regular xerox - but they are heck to maintain on the network - keep dropping off. One of the thorns in my side at work |
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01 Dec 00 - 10:44 PM (#349984) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: katlaughing Excellent marriage of the two ideas, Alison, the best I've read so far. BTW, DougeR and bbc, ironic, isn't it, the one the Wyoming Democrats disdainfully call an "Eastern Democrat," gets to share March with you dearhearts!**BG** bbc, I think we even managed to be born the same year, didn't we? katlaughing |
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01 Dec 00 - 10:50 PM (#349991) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: catspaw49 This format might preclude nude photos of some of us of course, unless there is some sort of provision for an 18 layer foldout. Oh well............ Spaw |
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01 Dec 00 - 10:57 PM (#349999) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: GUEST,Sarah The possibility of online purchase might be good for the first round. (See Amergin's suggestion above.) If it's a hit, then we could think about getting some printed for places like the coffee shop mentioned above. If it's not, nobody's out the production costs and nobody's left with a stack of calendars. Hey, I'd buy two or three or seven just to drag around to local coffee houses and live-music pubs to give out as a sample, to see if they get any inquiries/feedback on them. Sarah |
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02 Dec 00 - 09:59 PM (#350518) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: bbc dear kat, I think we all have big enough hearts to share the month of March, despite our political differences--at least, I hope so! Yes, 1953 was a good year! Welcome, snake! bbc |
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03 Dec 00 - 12:47 AM (#350572) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: alison I've sent a message to Max.. to see if an online one is possible..... it was lovely and sunny here today so I've done my "not quite nude" shots... now what is keeping the rest of you? *grin* slainte alison |
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03 Dec 00 - 05:57 AM (#350616) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Naemanson Thread Creep! Snake, you might have picked a better name for hanging around a heavily democratic web site. Phrases like "Republican snakes in the grass..." pop into my mind. Not that I'd ever use them in POLITE conversation. *BG* Anyway, Welcome to the 'cat. Thread Creep off! Re: Calendar - I like the idea of an online version, parked at the Mudcat, that we could buy using our credit cards or checks, download or receive a disk, print using our own printers, and hang on our own walls. Go for it! I think, if I do it right, I can transpose my head on to Schwarzeneggar's body. If I can do that, I'll submit a nude photo... if I can find a nude photo of Arnie. |
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03 Dec 00 - 06:53 AM (#350618) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: okthen Brilliant! I vote for the online version, cheers bill |
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03 Dec 00 - 07:37 AM (#350628) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: CarolC There are probably a lot of 'catters who do not have printers that are sufficient to print out this kind of thing. I know my black and white dot matrix would be pretty inadequate. And then there are people who don't even have their own computers. So there are probably a fair number of people who might like to buy a calendar but who wouldn't be able to do it on-line. January, wearing nothing but my accordion, black fishnet stockings, and a beret. (If I can find someone to take my picture for me. And if I can find a beret.) Carol |
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03 Dec 00 - 07:52 AM (#350634) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Allan C. Maybe the calendar could be updateable. 'Catter gatherings, gigs, folk festivals, etc. could be posted from time to time as info became available. Or not. M-m-m-m I think maybe something about that Waffle House has rubbed off. |
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03 Dec 00 - 08:00 AM (#350638) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: CarolC Grit stains, Allan. That's why I'm going nekkid. |
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03 Dec 00 - 08:22 AM (#350641) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Wavestar If those who download / buy the calendar don't have suitable printers for the job, then they can take the info on disk (as Sarah so usefully pointed out we could!) into a copy shop, and have them do a better job. I've had them print straight off of adobe files on disk before, and it looked great. Sounds good to me. Wish I could afford the time to help more. (Volunteer more than my body?) -J |
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03 Dec 00 - 02:52 PM (#350772) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Mrs.Duck I would prefer a calendar ready printed rather than have to find such a thing as a print shop(whatever that is). But you can put me down for September and Geoff for July. Just tell us who to send them to and when. |
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03 Dec 00 - 04:45 PM (#350797) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Zebedee Mrs Duck, Alison and myself are currently discussing logistics. A 'physical' calender will hopefully be available. As far as where to send pictures - stay tuned... if you don't stay tuned, anyone who has expressed an interest will get a personal message in due course. Ed |
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03 Dec 00 - 05:09 PM (#350808) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Geoff the Duck Thanks Zebedee |
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04 Dec 00 - 04:50 AM (#350980) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Ella who is Sooze Thanks Alison - I personally thought the online version would be much easier! This is what I was thinking too.... Better off to start online, then see how that develops... If it really takes off and you get a good response from the downloading of the calender then excellent and maybe in the future do a printed version... But as I said before - you've got to have someone willing enough to stick the stamps on, cart them down the post office (distribution of these things can be a nightmare - honestly now!) Best of luck with it! Ella |
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20 Dec 00 - 11:03 PM (#360815) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: Alice I have finally read all three of these nude calendar threads previous to the one alison started today requesting the photos for the calendar. Alison emailed a few days ago asking if I want to take part... Without reading the threads, I volunteered a modest shower pose of me with all the pages of curling music and lyrics taped to the wall of the shower (old Mudcat joke).
Now that I've read the project history, and being a graphic artist and illustrator myself, I first have to say I think Ella's idea of starting with an online version first is excellent. We can pay to access the calendar for downloading to print - or to save and just view it on our computer screen, for those who don't have printers.
The problem I see with starting out trying to pre-print a calendar is that printing is expensive - and you have no idea how many you may sell. That means *someone* will have to come up with alot of up-front money to pay the printing costs, and then you may end up losing money rather than making any. Ecologically to save paper as well as cutting out the pre-printing costs before making a sale, I think the calendar should be put on the internet and then file formats provided (for a fee) to download a calendar that you can use either on your computer or print out and hang on your wall.
that's my 2 cents.
I have vast respect for Sarah for volunteering graphics talent and time! Also, I applaud volunteers who are going to collect all the image files. (dodging out the back, running as fast as I can, see ya.) Alice |
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21 Dec 00 - 02:20 PM (#361218) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: GUEST,Sarah Gee, I thought this thing has just sort of disappeared, and was quietly nursing my hurt feelings... Christmas errands to run at the moment -- I'll be back this p.m. to re-explore this thread; meanwhile, as another thought for Mudcat fundraising (and maybe a different thread will be needed...) How about a yearly Mudcatters' songbook? Original tunes from mudcatters. This could be built online and sold online to print out as per suggested for this calendar, and/or printed out and bound one by one for folks without the printer capabilities. Food for thought. Sarah |
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21 Dec 00 - 07:27 PM (#361435) Subject: RE: BS: Calendar - Pick a month From: alison Nope hasn't disappeared..... please follow to this thread this one is getting too long slainte alison |
