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10 Dec 00 - 05:18 PM (#354579) Subject: Restoring a defective MIDI From: Haruo The MIDI in the Digitrad called BEGGARD2 seems to me to be missing the last bar or so, so I redid it and posted it in my geocities.com website in hopes that whoever maintains such things here will copy it and replace the defective one. This is a page with a link to the MIDI I made (Geocities won't let you link to MIDIs on it from outside, but you can right-click copy it.) I'm not clear yet on the methodology of submitting MIDIs to the Digitrad, so I thought I'd go ahead and try this as a stopgap. Liland |
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10 Dec 00 - 06:18 PM (#354609) Subject: RE: Restoring a defective MIDI From: Snuffy Liland send you midi as an e-mail attachment to Alan of Oz at this address alan.foster@tpgi.com.au.
He will put it on the Wassail! V |
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10 Dec 00 - 08:14 PM (#354652) Subject: RE: Restoring a defective MIDI From: Joe Offer Hi, I guess I wouldn't use the Online MIDI files as a gauge of whether the tunes we have are correct or not. As you know, we have thousands of songs and thousands of tunes. The master copies of the lyrics are in text (not HTML) format, and the master copies of the tunes are in SongWright. The Digital Tradition comes out (usually) twice a year, and Dick sends the lyrics and texts to Max for posting in the online version. Because of the huge number of files involved, Max makes the conversion by batch processing. This works pretty well, but it ain't perfect. I think that most of the defects in the online MIDI files are caused by defects in the batch processing. For some reason, we got LOTS of mistakes in the current version. If you think one of our tune files should be corrected, it might be an idea to check the SongWright tune on the downloadable version of the database. If you don't have the downloadable version and an online tune isn't working and you'd like to hear it, post a message in the Help Forum (or send me a personal message), and I or one of the JoeClones ™ will e-mail a copy to you. Be sure to include your e-mail address in your request, unless you're listed in Mudcat Resources. Thanks. -Joe Offer- However, in this case, the original SongWright tune in the Digital Tradition is indeed missing its last measure. I've harvested the tune for the database already, so there's not much need for it to go in Mudcat MIDIs. Thanks, Liland. |
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10 Dec 00 - 11:38 PM (#354729) Subject: RE: Restoring a defective MIDI From: Haruo It's not a matter of "thinking" there's something wrong with it. Anyone who listens to the MIDI here while reading the lyrics will quickly spot the problem; the last four syllables (of the second verse as printed) have no notes to sing 'em to. The tune just stops dead four notes shy of the end. I think my solution (link in first post in this thread) solves the problem, though I'm not sure if it's the solution Alan or whoever would choose. Liland |
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11 Dec 00 - 01:47 AM (#354745) Subject: RE: Restoring a defective MIDI From: Haruo Incidentally, I'm not sure when/how/why/where I changed the file name from BEGGARDH to BEGGARD2. Don't think I meant to. Liland |
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11 Dec 00 - 03:55 AM (#354758) Subject: RE: Restoring a defective MIDI From: Joe Offer Liland, read what I said carefully. The MIDI files are bound to have a number of mistakes, because they are converted from SongWright files en masse. We don't really have the time to fix all the ones that are bad - so if they're wrong, we just kind of hope that they come out right the next time. The online version is provided as a courtesy to those who don't have the technical ability to deal with the downloadable database. The downloadable database is the source, the basic edition of the database. We do our best to eliminate the mistakes from that base version. In the case of BEGGARDH, the SongWright file was also missing that last measure, so I submitted a correction (but the correction won't appear in the database for another 6 months or so). If a MIDI is bad, we don't really have the time to be concerned about it. HOWEVER, if there's a problem in the SongWright file the MIDI came from, then that's a matter of concern for us and we'll do our best to correct it. We were trying to fix MIDIs for a while, but we just got too big a volume of problems to deal with - so that means it doesn't do you a lot of good to post notice of a bad MIDI or a bad MIDI link. If you want a tune that's supposed to be in the database and the online tune isn't working, just let us know, and we'll convert one of the SongWright tunes to a MIDI for you, and send it to you by e-mail. As an alternative, you can check the tunes at Yet Another Digital Tradition which converts our SongWright tunes in a different manner (Yet Another Digital Tradition is listed on our Links page). Hope that's clear now. -Joe Offer- |
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11 Dec 00 - 04:29 AM (#354764) Subject: RE: Restoring a defective MIDI From: Jon Freeman So Joe, does that mean that Max converts every MIDI every time the online DT is updated and is a completely new on-line database of lyrics built at the same time? Just curious how it works, one way seems to involve a lot of processing and the other a very strict log of additions (and possibly corrections and deletions) to prevent songs appearing in one but not the other version. Jon |
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11 Dec 00 - 04:56 AM (#354765) Subject: RE: Restoring a defective MIDI From: Joe Offer Yeah, Jon - at least, that's how I understand it. The song texts are converted to HTML and the tunes to MIDI by some sort of batch processing of the entire database. The alternative would be to maintain two separate databases, one in Text/SongWright, and one in HTML/MIDI. I suppose you could just put additions into both, but what about corrections? -Joe- |
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11 Dec 00 - 05:43 AM (#354771) Subject: RE: Restoring a defective MIDI From: Jon Freeman Corrections could be catered for by a log of corrected songs and deletions by a similar list but I would suspect astraight write over is more efficent and certainly a lot less hassle in terms of keeping track. Like I said, I was only asking out of curiosity. Another approach could have involved the Mudcat version being the master (that would of course require ftp access for those who maintain the DT or an even busier Max - if he can get any busier) which could always be up to date and the off-line version being created from that periodically. I am not trying to suggest any of the above is the way to operate or to suggest the current system is wrong or anything. It is just that descisions made on this type of issue and how systems work interest me. The bottom line is a fantastic database of songs is made available in 2 ways. Jon |