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15 Dec 00 - 02:46 AM (#357473) Subject: three lovely lasses in bannion From: GUEST,michael |
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15 Dec 00 - 03:46 AM (#357481) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: Joe Offer "Click here," he said, succinctly. -Joe Offer- |
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15 Dec 00 - 03:48 AM (#357482) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: Joe Offer Hi, Michael - a search for lovely lasses in the blue search box is what found it. I've been looking for just one lovely lass, but haven't had much luck. Hope that helps. -Joe Offer- |
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15 Dec 00 - 04:35 AM (#357488) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: zander (inactive) This seems like a version of the Dublin song ' Three Lovely Lasses From Kimmage ', recorded by the Dubliners and others, its in most Irish song books. Cheers, Dave |
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15 Dec 00 - 07:44 AM (#357533) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: MartinRyan The Kimmage one is a parody of the older Bannion song. Regards |
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15 Dec 00 - 08:22 AM (#357552) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: Snuffy Kimmage is also in the DT database |
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15 Dec 00 - 07:46 PM (#358036) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: Jimmy C " Three Lovely Lassies from Kimmage" was a good size hit for the Irish singer Delia Murphy. She recorded it back in the 1940's or 1950's I can't be sure of the decade. I remember we had the old 78 record and my mother played it often. |
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15 Dec 00 - 07:48 PM (#358037) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: Jimmy C Sorry again, my fingers are going wild tonight. The Delia Murphy song was " Three Lovely Lassies from Bannion" not Kimmage |
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15 Dec 00 - 10:09 PM (#358084) Subject: Lyr Add: THREE LOVELY LASSES From: Bill D here's how I heard it...with one more verse and a couple corrections
THREE LOVELY LASSES
4. So I'm takin' [sendin'] me shoes to be mended
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16 Dec 00 - 01:43 AM (#358156) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: GUEST,Bruce O. I have the Delia Murphey LP where she sings the song. It looks to me that the song is based on "My father has forty good shillings (The maids sad complaint for want of a husband, by Lawrence White) in the Scarce Songs 1 file on my website. (I remember hearing Bill D sing a few verses of it a couple of years ago. He knew some that Linda RJ had forgotten.) |
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16 Dec 00 - 02:10 AM (#358163) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: GUEST,Dale I just located an early 60s recording by Paddie Bell. She sings pretty much the same first two verses as above, then adds:
Now I'm to be married on Monday, Monday, Monday
Then she repeats verse one. The credits say (collected & arr. by Delia Murphy) |
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16 Dec 00 - 09:45 AM (#358227) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: Susan of DT See also: I Wonder When I shall be Married |
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16 Dec 00 - 10:56 AM (#358249) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: GUEST,Bobby Bob, Ellan Vannin I would be grateful to Bruce O if he would list the tracks on the LP of Delia Murphy he has. I've been trying to hunt down songs by Delia Murphy, and have them scattered over a series of compilations. It's up to 11 songs by Delia and 1 by her sister, Angela, so far, so I'd be interested to see how the LP material compares with what I've got so far. Lhiats, Bobby Bob |
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13 Sep 02 - 04:49 PM (#783353) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: GUEST,Philippa Aidan O'Hara (former RTÉ radio presenter) wrote a biography of Delia Murphy, "I'll Live Till I Die". I haven't got a-hold of a copy of the book yet. |
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14 Sep 02 - 12:24 AM (#783638) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: Jimmy C Bobby Bob, Ellan Vannin, I have an LP of Delia Murphy, I will get it out within the next few days and post the list of the songs, it may help also. Jimmy |
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14 Sep 02 - 01:40 AM (#783670) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: Bert Forty shades of Mondegreen! There was a version in the early sixties that went... Her Father has fortyone chil'en and a cat and a goat and a cow. |
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16 Sep 02 - 01:13 PM (#785237) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: GUEST,Pat Darlington The "Three Lovely Lassies" (words, music, chords) is in one of 3 volumes edited by James N. Healy called Songs from the Pubs of Ireland (Ossian publications) |
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16 Sep 02 - 06:23 PM (#785497) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: Noreen I always heard it sung as: And the grass of a goat and a cow (i.e. the land he owns) |
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16 Sep 02 - 07:51 PM (#785572) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: Bill D hmmm...enough 'grass' for them to eat...or enough 'brass' to buy them?...we may never know... |
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16 Sep 02 - 08:04 PM (#785581) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: Noreen brass sounds more Yorkshire than Cork, to me... |
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17 Sep 02 - 04:59 AM (#785831) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: GUEST,Martin Ryan O'Hara's book speculates that Delia Murphy may have learned this from a collection published by DOnagh McDonagh and Arthur Darley. That said, its not in the set published on the web by McDonagh's son HERE . It does include a "sequel", probably written by MacDonagh. Regards p.s. watch out for pop-ups on that site! |
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17 Sep 02 - 10:30 AM (#785981) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: Bill D durn thing is, Bert's version has now ruinedme! *grin*...I will never be able to sing this without hearing "41 chillun" in my head! and Noreen...you are probably right...I am not as attuned to what 'would' be said in various parts of the UK or Ireland. |
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17 Sep 02 - 03:26 PM (#786068) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: Alice I was just listening to this song yesterday on an old video of the first episodes of the Ballykissangel series. The tax investigators were in town and to distract their attention, a local asked did they know of Delia Murphy and could they remember all the verses of the Three Lovely Lasses From Bannion. It was a set up to get him to sing while they hauled the goods out the door of the pub. |
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17 Sep 02 - 04:51 PM (#786124) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: weerover Correction to earlier info - Healy's collection of 3 slim volumes is Ballads from the Pubs of Ireland (Ossian), about 50 songs in each for about 5 euros apiece in Galway last week (and in Malachy's bodhran factory in Roundstone) |
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18 Sep 02 - 01:50 PM (#786830) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: Jimmy C Bobby Bob, Ellan Vannin, I have finally got a chance to get the Delia Murphy record out. It was produced under the Fiesta Record Company Label # FLPS1844. The songs are
The Spinning Wheel
There is a fairly detailed biography on her by Liam Redmond on the back of the cover . He calls her " The Queen of Connemara. Here are some brief details of her life Jimmy |
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03 Feb 04 - 02:26 AM (#1107930) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: Big Tim Just finished reading Aidan O'Hara's biography of Delia. She was in fact born on 16 February 1902, at Ardroe, just outside Claremorris, Mayo. The family moved to Mount Jennings, Hollymount, just a few miles down the road, when she was about two. Her family was "comfortable" rather than wealthy: the farm being 134 acres. "The Queen of Connemara" was one of her favourite songs, that's all: she didn't come from that region. She recorded about 100 songs in all (O'Hara lists them all), "Lovely Lasses" probably being her most popular. Liam Clancy regards her as pivotal in the Irish folk revival. She graduated from UCG in 1923 (B.Comm), married the following year, had four children, and didn't start her pro singing career until her mid 30s. First recordings, on HMV, were in 1939. Her husband, Dr. (Ph.D) Tom Kiernan was foreign Ambassador for Ireland and Delia put his job first: with years of postings in England, Italy, Australia, Germany, US and Canada. She lived near Ottawa in the 60s. She met JFK and Jackie, with whom she got along very well and with whom she had a few heart to heart conversations. She was a real woman of the people, always putting down hypocrisy, pretentiousness and cant, using earthy language and enjoying a good drink, sometimes to the embarrassment of her husband in diplomatic circles. She died on 11 February 1971. A lot of copies of O'Hara's biog are availabe second hand and cheaply online. |
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03 Feb 04 - 04:27 AM (#1107968) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: GUEST,JTT Delia Murphy was a fine woman, a wonderful person, a gentlewoman and a fabulous singer. Several of her grandchildren are musicians, including the piper Ronan Browne. Donagh MacDonagh was a poet, a playwright, a barrister later elected to the judiciary, and a collector of songs. Here's a link to songs from his collection Here's a page about Colin Farrell reading his poems, including Dublin Made Me The grass of a goat and a cow is a literal translation from Irish, and means land enough to support a goat and a cow. It's a joke about the "wealth" of the pretentious but gay girl from Bannion. |
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03 Feb 04 - 10:38 AM (#1108190) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: GUEST,Big Jim from Jackson The Vipers sang it as "forty-one shillin'"(money), and "a curse of a goat and a cow". The song is recorded on an album called "The Soho Skiffle Group" and released in the USA. It can be found on a Bear Family 3 disc set by the Vipers. |
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03 Feb 04 - 11:26 AM (#1108237) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: GUEST,JTT Qu'est que c'est ces Vipers? |
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03 Feb 04 - 11:33 AM (#1108242) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: Bill D 'curse'?? *grin*.... |
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23 Mar 10 - 08:25 AM (#2869913) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: GUEST,Danno Does anyone know who wrote the "Kimmage" version? |
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23 Mar 10 - 10:18 AM (#2869982) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: Steve Shaw I've just been reminiscing with my mum about this song. She thinks it was "forty-one shillins" and I'm sure that's what my gran used to sing. A quick google for "Bannion" came up with nothing! I see that CDs with this and other Delia Murphy songs are available. |
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23 Mar 10 - 03:00 PM (#2870198) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: Paul Burke This thread's over 9 years old and no one's mentioned Margaret Barry! BTW her version had "white shillings" if memory serves me right. |
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23 Mar 10 - 07:26 PM (#2870388) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: three lovely lasses in bannion From: Bill D To add to my post of several years ago, my source of the song was an LP by Burl Ives, where it is printed very clearly "Bannion"..... which doesn't mean the IS such a place or that Burl heard it right. |
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28 Mar 10 - 04:32 AM (#2873749) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses from Bannion From: GUEST I'm trying to trace the origin of this song. I suspect it must be between 1791 when Grattan's Third Catholic Relief Act was passed and 1829 when Daniel O'Connell succeeded in the Catholic Emancipation Act. This because of the reference to father having 40 or 41 shillings, depending on the version. The relevance would perhaps be to the "forty shilling freeholder" entitlement to vote - after 1829 that was raised to £10. And where is Bannion (Ireland, there's one in the States)? |
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28 Mar 10 - 04:46 AM (#2873754) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses from Bannion From: MGM·Lion Nearest I could find, using all possible spellings, from Google Maps + my Britannica Atlas, was Ballybunnion, Co Kerry, (near Listowel). If the song refers to a real place, I take it that will be the one. '''''' 0 0 { v } Michael ~~~ §§§ |
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28 Mar 10 - 08:42 PM (#2874286) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses from Bannion From: Steve Shaw I've just bought a Delia Murphy CD as a result of this thread! It's called The Legendary Queen of Irish Folk Singers. It's just wonderful and I might have to do a copy for my mum (shhh...) I'll have a close listen to Three Lovely Lasses tomorrow and report back. Hey, not three Lovely Lassies, right? It isn't a song about triplet spaniels! |
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28 Mar 10 - 11:41 PM (#2874362) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses from Bannion From: MGM·Lion Steve ~~ Lassie was a collie, not a spaniel. |
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29 Mar 10 - 06:05 AM (#2874498) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses from Bannion From: Mo the caller Reading this thread last week set me wondering about the motive of the author. Was he mocking an unsophisticatic rustic girl who thinks shes's 'something' in her patched shoes and green petticoat. Or telling rich people to be content with their lot, even a country lass feels like a queen on her wedding day. |
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29 Mar 10 - 08:47 AM (#2874603) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses from Bannion From: Steve Shaw Ah yes. Sorry. More of a cat man I am. That'll learn me. |
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11 Jul 11 - 04:25 AM (#3185277) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses in Bannion From: MGM·Lion Occurs to me to ask, has the point been made anywhere above about the anomaly of the lass dyeing her petticoat green for her wedding. See Child 221, Katharine Jaffray, aka The Faery Troop & *The Green Wedding* ~~reworked by Scott in Marmion as the well-known interpolated song of the Young Lochinvar; from which however is omitted the ballad's main motif, that marrying in green was traditionally unlucky, in particular by rendering the bride liable to be carried off by faery folk: a theme further perhaps adverted to in Nicholas Nickleby, where the miser Gride, having, as Dickens several times reiterates, donned a bottle-green suit for his wedding to the beautiful Madeline, only to have her snatched away at the altar from under the dastardly bridegroom's very nose. So is it not perhaps rather surprising that the lass of Bannion should take particular trouble to wear that colour at her wedding? Any comments or explanations? ~Michael~ |
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11 Jul 11 - 07:56 AM (#3185348) Subject: Lyr Add: THREE LOVELY LASSIES IN BANNION From: Matthew Edwards I can remember listening to Burl Ives sing this in his very distinctive accent on an old LP, but the song was written by Delia Murphy, based on a traditional song known variously as 'I Wonder When I Shall be Married'/'My Father Has Forty Good Shillings'/'Butter Platies' ; Roud 818. As the late Bruce Olson pointed out above these probably all derive from a mid 17th century broadside by Lawrence White 'The Maidens Sad Complaint for want of a Husband'. Anyway Walton's Treasury of Irish Songs and Ballads (1947) explicitly credits Delia Murphy as the author and composer, with the title of Three Lovely Lassies in Bannion. She had recorded it for HMV in 1939, according to this biography on the Ramblinghouse website. Here is the full text from Walton's Treasury; I've never heard anybody sing the last verse though. (Can't imagine why not.) THREE LOVELY LASSIES IN BANNION Delia Murphy There are three lovely lasses in Bannion, Bannion, Bannion, Bannion, There are three lovely lasses in Bannion, And I am the best of them all, And I am the best of them all. For my father has forty white shillings, shillings, shillings, shillings, For my father has forty white shillings, And the grass of a goat and a cow, And the grass of a goat and a cow. And my mother she says I can marry, marry, marry, marry, And my mother she says I can marry, And she'll leave me her bed when she dies, And she'll leave me her bed when she dies. So I'll send my old shoes to be mended, mended, mended, mended, So I'll send my old shoes to be mended, And my petticoat to be dyed green, And my petticoat to be dyed green. And on next Sunday morning I'll meet him, meet him, meet him, meet him, And on next Sunday morning I'll meet him, And I shall be dressed like a queen, And I shall be dressed like a queen. There are three lovely asses in Bannion, Bannion, Bannion, Bannion, There are three lovely asses in Bannion, To draw me on my wedding day, To draw me on my wedding day. Matthew |
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11 Jul 11 - 08:33 AM (#3185367) Subject: Lyr Add: THE MAIDENS SAD COMPLAINT FOR WANT OF... From: Matthew Edwards Bruce Olson directed readers to the Scarce Songs#1 section of his Broadside Ballads; this is now hosted by Mudcat and can be found via the Quick Links drop-down menu at the top of every Mudcat page, or else at the CSU Fresno site Bruce Olson's Roots of Folk. Here is the text of the Maiden's Sad Complaint as written by Bruce Olson: The Maidens Sad Complaint for want of a Husband Wherein she briefly doth declare The want of a Mate makes her despair: She hath her portion all in Houshold goods Yet none of those that wear scarfs and Hoods For she commends her self to any man That will but please her all the best he can To the new Westcountry Tune: Or, Hogh when shall I be married? by L. W. O when shall I be married, hogh be married; My beauty begins to decay: 'Tis time to find somebody hogh some body Before it is quite gone away My father hath forty good shillings, hogh good shillings; And never a daughter but I: My mother is also willing hogh is willing That I shall have all if she dye. I have gotten some money about me hogh about me For to help me in time of need, Five shillings pray do not flout me hogh do not flout me For I will be married with speed My father did give me a dish, hogh and a spoon, And a Table made of an old board: Some young man will for me wish hogh will wish When he hears how bravely I'me stord. My mother she gave me a ladle hogh a ladle And that for the present lies by, My aunt she hath promist a cradle hogh a cradle When any man with me does lye. A pippin my Unkle he gave me hogh he gave me And milk=pourage in it to make; And I let them burn so bravely, hogh so bravely To show that a slut I do hate. I have got two spoons and a trencher, hogh a trencher with poringers made of clay; Some squires son that is a wencher, hogh a wencher I wish he would fetch me away. I have a soft bed to ly on hogh to ly on With feathers an ell long I say But the most of all my sorrow hogh my sorrow Is for want of Batchellours play. Fine pippins & noggins my cozen hogh my cozen Has gave me that are so good; With taps and sossers a dozen hogh a dozen And a chamber pot made of wood. Thus young men I have declared hogh declared My household stuff which do ly by; These seven years I have despaired hogh despaired For fear I a maiden should dy. If any youngman will have me hogh will have me And no other maiden esteem I will maintain him bravely hogh so bravely And feast him with curd & cream. For I'm a girl that's willing hogh is willing To change my maiden name; So with me he will be billing hogh be billing I don't care from whence he came. Then Thomas, Robbin or Willy, hogh or Willy Come any that is a man; Let be Ralph, or Jarvis the silly hogh wise or silly Come love me as well as you can. If any man will me marry, hogh me marry I'le love him wonderous well; for if I longer should tarry hogh should tarry I fear I should lead Apes in Hell. There are two wonderful blackletter copies, with splendid illustrations, in the Bodleian Collection:- Wood E 25(57) and Douce Ballads 2(145a). Matthew |
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21 Apr 14 - 08:22 AM (#3620797) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses in Bannion/Kimmage From: GUEST,brian w i have always thought the song was of scottish nature hence its on a few of dads scottish records he had before he passes away.......and steve shaw theres a difference in lasses and lassies......lasses refers to lass which is a female woman ......lassies is lassie which is the name of a dog ie if you have 2 collies both named lassie you have 2 lassies........ and BTW lassie was a collie which is a breed of dog |
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20 Jul 16 - 10:27 PM (#3801320) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses in Bannion/Kimmage From: AmyLove Alice mentioned the Ballykissangel episode (season 2, episode 8, Chinese Whispers) which features this song. It was that episode which brought this song to my attention. I found a video clip featuring the part of the episode in which the song is sung. The video is blocked in my country (USA), but perhaps people from countries where it's not blocked will enjoy watching it: Ballyk-Three Lovely Lasses from Bannion |
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08 Apr 17 - 06:01 PM (#3849538) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses in Bannion/Kimmage From: The Sandman IN MY OPINION the lyrics of kimmage are more interesting |
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08 Apr 17 - 07:27 PM (#3849569) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses in Bannion/Kimmage From: Steve Shaw We went to the memorial service of a much-loved local lady just before Christmas, and lo and behold, the family chose the Delia Murphy erosion of the song to play part way through the service. It made for a very poignant moment. I got the distinct impression that I was one of the very few people present who knew the song! |
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08 Apr 17 - 07:47 PM (#3849572) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses in Bannion/Kimmage From: Steve Shaw Gosh, how did version come out as erosion! Flippin' spellchecker is indulging in mischief tonight! |
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18 Oct 21 - 07:29 AM (#4123383) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses in Bannion/Kimmage From: Daniel Kelly Re-opening this thread in the hope that someone might have discovered the author of the Kimmage parody. |
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19 Oct 21 - 11:52 AM (#4123498) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses in Bannion/Kimmage From: GUEST,Martin Ryan A Wikipedia entry ascribes it to Sylvester Gaffney, who was better known as "Leo Maguire", a radio presenter int he '50's or so. I have no idea of the reliability of this ascription but it is certainly plausible. I'll make enquiries. Martin Ryan p.s. Three Lovely Lasses |
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19 Oct 21 - 12:10 PM (#4123502) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses in Bannion/Kimmage From: GUEST,Martin Ryan The great Frank Harte, in his "Songs of Dublin", says only that he learned it from Luke Kelly of the Dubliners. He dates it to the 1950's or so. Regards p.s. I spent almost all my childhood in that area of Dublin! |
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19 Oct 21 - 05:55 PM (#4123554) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses in Bannion/Kimmage From: GUEST,Martin Ryan OK! A quick check in Terry Moylan's "A Living Voice: The Frank Harte Collection" confirms the Sylvester Gaffney/Leo Maguire authorship. Regards p.s. If you'r interested in Irish traditional singing and don't have a copy of Terry's book - it's time to start dropping hints about Christmas presents! |
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24 Oct 21 - 01:33 AM (#4123966) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Three Lovely Lasses in Bannion/Kimmage From: Daniel Kelly Brilliant Martin, thank you for finding this! I will add this detail to my recording of Kimmage, and also the song that started it all back in the 1640s, 'The Maiden's Sad Complaint for Want of a Husband' by Lawrence White. |
