28 Dec 00 - 10:56 PM (#364966) Subject: Missing Dylan song on John Henry Faulk From: Mark Clark At McGrath's suggestion, I've started this thread in the hope that Mudcatters can help uncover a mysteriously missing song by Bob Dylan. I was stumbling around the Internet looking for more information about John Henry Faulk when I discovered reference to a song called "Gates Of Hate" written in 1962 by Bob Dylan. Tom Rush wrote a song about JHF but it would be great to have one by Dylan as well. Has anyone ever heard the song or talked to anyone who might have heard it performed? Thanks, - Mark |
28 Dec 00 - 11:02 PM (#364968) Subject: RE: Help: Missing Dylan song on John Henry Faulk From: Sorcha By the info in your clickie, looks like you've got it all....no public perf, no recording, etc. but good luck. |
29 Dec 00 - 07:29 AM (#365034) Subject: RE: Help: Missing Dylan song on John Henry Faulk From: McGrath of Harlow Yeah, but there's public performances and public performances and recordings and recordings.
I've got tapes up in my attic I haven't listened to in thirty years. None of them with Dylan in them, but if I'd been living in New York or North Dakota or wherever back in the early 60s there easily could have been. |
29 Dec 00 - 09:44 AM (#365065) Subject: RE: Help: Missing Dylan song on John Henry Faulk From: Amergin I know that this has nothing to do with the Dylan song....but Phil Ochs recorded a song about John Henry Faulks.....it can be found on his Broadside Ballads 1, I believe... Amergin |
29 Dec 00 - 04:08 PM (#365257) Subject: RE: Help: Missing Dylan song on John Henry Faulk From: Mark Clark Amergin, Oh yeah!!! It wasn't Tom Rush, it was Phil Ochs. (Picture me doing dope slap.) Thanks, - Mark |
29 Dec 00 - 10:26 PM (#365438) Subject: RE: Help: Missing Dylan song on John Henry Faulk From: Ebbie Where's Little Hawk? He'll know... Ebbie |
31 Dec 00 - 08:37 AM (#366162) Subject: RE: Help: Missing Dylan song on John Henry Faulk From: McGrath of Harlow So was he Faulk or Faulks?
While we wait for people to hunt through their attics maybe, how about someone posting the Phil Ochs song? |
31 Dec 00 - 12:10 PM (#366242) Subject: Lyr Add: THE BALLAD OF JOHN HENRY FAULK (Phil Ochs From: Amergin The Ballad Of John Henry Faulk By Phil Ochs
I'll tell you the story of John Henry Faulk.
On the TV and the radio John Henry Faulk was known.
His friends they tried to warn him he was headin' for a fall.
Then slowly, oh so slowly, his life began to change.
And he could not believe what his sad eyes had found.
And is there any bottom to the fears that grow inside?
His wife and children trembled, the time was runnin' short,
Hey, you blacklist, you blacklist, I've seen what you have done.
And you men who point your fingers and spread your lies around,
For I'd rather go hungry to beg upon the streets
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31 Dec 00 - 12:15 PM (#366245) Subject: RE: Help: Missing Dylan song on John Henry Faulk From: Little Hawk Yep. Phil Ochs. Definitely not a Dylan song. No one tried to follow in Dylan's protest footsteps more fervently than Phil Ochs, trouble was he sort of got stuck in them... Dylan once waspishly remarked "You're not a folksinger, Ochs, you're a journalist!" He (Dylan) was being nasty, but he had a point at the same time. Ochs, for his part, never stopped lauding Dylan's creativity, even when they weren't speaking to one another, which certainly speaks well for Phil's basic fairness and sense of integrity. - LH |
01 Jan 01 - 12:23 PM (#366738) Subject: RE: Help: Missing Dylan song on John Henry Faulk From: McGrath of Harlow Well, there's some justice anyway, albeit belatedly:
John Henry Faulk storytelling award
Maybe the song will turn up someday... |
12 Nov 09 - 06:43 PM (#2765119) Subject: RE: Help: Missing Dylan song on John Henry Faulk From: Jim Dixon From Revolution in the Air: The Songs of Bob Dylan, 1957-1973 by Clinton Heylin (Chicago: Chicago Review Press, 2009), page 92: {65} GATES OF HATE {66} THAT CALIFORNIA SIDE Both songs have survived only on paper and each only as a single verse, but they appear to date from the summer of 1962. #65 published in Sing Out! Oct./Nov. 1962. #66 published in Isis #28. Here are two more lost songs written within weeks of a WBAI radio interview with Pete Seeger, in which Dylan claimed he wrote songs before breakfast. "Gates of Hate" is mentioned (and quoted) in Gil Turner's Sing Out! profile, whereas "That California Side" was written on a scrap of paper—the other side of a shop receipt dated June 22, 1962. "That California Side" contrasts the joys of California with the East Coast, a subject he would tackle again on "California" (cut at the first Bringing It...session in January 1965 and frequently bootlegged). Dylan's repeated crossings-out suggest a general dissatisfaction with where a song is going, and it probably died there and then, as he sat in a café scribbling to his heart's content. On the other hand, "Gates of Hate" probably was finished, though all that is known of it derives from Gil Turner's Sing Out! feature. According to Turner the song was about John Henry Faulk, who was then married to folksinger Hedy West. On June 28, 1962, Faulk had been awarded $3.5 million in damages in a libel suit against AWARE, a "clearance" service that vetted people in the entertainment industry for any left-wing inclinations or Communist affiliations. The chorus of the song, quoted in Turner's piece, suggests Dylan was closing in on "Masters of War":
You gates that keep men in chains. Go down and die the lowest death, And never rise again. |
12 Nov 09 - 10:16 PM (#2765189) Subject: RE: Help: Missing Dylan song about John Henry Faul From: M.Ted Neither Mr. Ochs nor Mr. Dylan did justice to the man. He was wonderful and complex,--how else can you explain a man who challenged HUAC and also starred on Hee Haw. The Christmas season is fotuitously on us, and there is no better way way to understand the man than by listening to John Henry Faulk's Christmas Story Click one of the buttons on the right side of the box. |
13 Nov 09 - 06:28 AM (#2765324) Subject: RE: Help: Missing Dylan song about John Henry Faulk From: Dead Horse So Dylan was not a Faulk singer, then? :-) (Someone had to say it) |