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Tune Req: Captain Keane / O Cane / O'Kane (Carolan

09 Jan 01 - 12:20 PM (#371492)
Subject: Captain Keane (Carolan tune)
From: Alice

I first heard this slow air from a mandolin player at our local session. He learned it by ear from a recording of various artists - didn't even know who played on the recording - but I was able to track down the notation on Richard Robinson's website. click here

In the B part of the tune, there is a b natural instead of a b flat in the notation at R.R.'s site. That isn't the way the mandolin player plays it, and I am trying to track down more sources of the tune. For those who are familiar with the air Captain Keane, also called The Wounded Hussar, please let me know what the oldest sources of the tune use - the b flat or natural.

Thanks.
Alice

09 Jan 01 - 01:06 PM (#371521)
Subject: RE: Captain Keane (Carolan tune)
From: GUEST,Bruce O.

The oldest source is, O'Farrell's 'Collection of National Irish Music for the Union Pipes', c 1804, where the tune is called "Captain O Cain". There aren't any 'parts'. The tune is straight Aminor.

09 Jan 01 - 01:17 PM (#371531)
Subject: RE: Captain Keane (Carolan tune)
From: radriano

Alice, it's been my experience in playing Irish tunes that the placement of accidentals varies considerably and is often up to the discretion of the player. In other words don't look for a definitive version of the tune. Often the placement of accidentals has to do with the popularity of a certain version in a particular area. If you're talking about a newly introduced tune then the strongest player will usually get his (her) way with the tune.

Richard

09 Jan 01 - 01:40 PM (#371542)
Subject: RE: Captain Keane (Carolan tune)
From: Alice

thank you both

09 Jan 01 - 01:53 PM (#371555)
Subject: RE: Captain Keane (Carolan tune)
From: Sorcha

O'Neill's gives it as O'Kane, in E minor. No Bb's at all, but there are accidental D#'s in the 5th and 6th measures from the end. The MelBay fascimile of the original gives a double bar after 8 bars, but we play it AAB. I have a lovely harmony part, would you like to have it?

09 Jan 01 - 02:12 PM (#371576)
Subject: RE: Captain Keane (Carolan tune)
From: Alice

Sorcha, send me a personal message re email.

09 Jan 01 - 03:03 PM (#371610)
Subject: RE: Captain Keane (Carolan tune)
From: Zebedee

Sorcha,

I'd love to hear your harmony for this. Could you post a miditext of it here?

If not I'll send you a personal message with my email.

Ed

09 Jan 01 - 05:31 PM (#371734)
Subject: RE: Captain Keane (Carolan tune)
From: Jeri

The Complete Works of O'Carolan, Ossian Publications has it in EMin. There are a couple of D#s in the second part.

Contemplator has MIDIs of many Carolan tunes, including Captain O'Kane. (Or click here for a fancy version. There's some info here.

09 Jan 01 - 05:39 PM (#371750)
Subject: RE: Captain Keane (Carolan tune)
From: Sorcha

Zeb, I can't do MIDIs, but I'll post the ABC for the harmony, and somebody else can MIDI it, OK?

09 Jan 01 - 06:13 PM (#371779)
Subject: RE: Captain Keane (Carolan tune)
From: Sorcha

HARMONY FOR CAPTAIN O'KANE

K:Eminor
M:6/8
L:1/8

G/2F/2| EGA B2 A/2G/2 |A/2B/2d/2B/2A/2G/2 FGA | Bde g/2f/2e/2d/2B/2A/2| GED B2 G/2F/2 | EGA B2 A/2G/2 | A/2B/2d/2B/2A/2G/2 FGA | Bde g/2f/2e/2d/2B/2A/2 | GED B2 || G/2A/2 | Bdd d2 c/2B/2 | Acc c2 B/2A/2 | Bgf g>ab| egf g3 g/2a/2| b>ag fed |cAe F>GA | Bde g/2f/2e/2d/2B/2A/2 | GED E2 ||

(I hope this is ok, been a while since I did an abc)

09 Jan 01 - 06:25 PM (#371795)
Subject: RE: Captain Keane (Carolan tune)
From: Sorcha

Oh yea, I forgot, I don't know how fast you guys play it but we do it about 70BPM. A little slow for a jig, but a little fast for an air.

09 Jan 01 - 06:32 PM (#371800)
Subject: RE: Captain Keane (Carolan tune)
From: harpgirl

...Alice...there are midis of Captain O'Kane at Jc's ABC tune web...

09 Jan 01 - 06:36 PM (#371804)
Subject: RE: Captain Keane (Carolan tune)
From: Snuffy

Here ya go, Sorcha

MIDI file: MIDI1.MID

Timebase: 480

Tempo: 120 (500000 microsec/crotchet)
Key: G
TimeSig: 6/8 36 8
Name: HARMONY FOR CAPTAIN O'KANE
Start
0000 1 67 127 0119 0 67 000 0001 1 66 090 0119 0 66 000 0001 1 64 127 0239 0 64 000 0001 1 67 090 0239 0 67 000 0001 1 69 090 0239 0 69 000 0001 1 71 090 0479 0 71 000 0001 1 69 090 0119 0 69 000 0001 1 67 090 0119 0 67 000 0001 1 69 127 0119 0 69 000 0001 1 71 090 0119 0 71 000 0001 1 74 090 0119 0 74 000 0001 1 71 090 0119 0 71 000 0001 1 69 090 0119 0 69 000 0001 1 67 090 0119 0 67 000 0001 1 66 090 0239 0 66 000 0001 1 67 120 0239 0 67 000 0001 1 69 090 0239 0 69 000 0001 1 71 127 0239 0 71 000 0001 1 74 090 0239 0 74 000 0001 1 76 090 0239 0 76 000 0001 1 79 090 0119 0 79 000 0001 1 78 090 0119 0 78 000 0001 1 76 120 0119 0 76 000 0001 1 74 090 0119 0 74 000 0001 1 71 090 0119 0 71 000 0001 1 69 090 0119 0 69 000 0001 1 67 127 0239 0 67 000 0001 1 64 090 0239 0 64 000 0001 1 62 090 0239 0 62 000 0001 1 71 090 0479 0 71 000 0001 1 67 090 0119 0 67 000 0001 1 66 090 0119 0 66 000 0001 1 64 127 0239 0 64 000 0001 1 67 090 0239 0 67 000 0001 1 69 090 0239 0 69 000 0001 1 71 090 0479 0 71 000 0001 1 69 090 0119 0 69 000 0001 1 67 090 0119 0 67 000 0001 1 69 127 0119 0 69 000 0001 1 71 090 0119 0 71 000 0001 1 74 090 0119 0 74 000 0001 1 71 090 0119 0 71 000 0001 1 69 090 0119 0 69 000 0001 1 67 090 0119 0 67 000 0001 1 66 090 0239 0 66 000 0001 1 67 120 0239 0 67 000 0001 1 69 090 0239 0 69 000 0001 1 71 127 0239 0 71 000 0001 1 74 090 0239 0 74 000 0001 1 76 090 0239 0 76 000 0001 1 79 090 0119 0 79 000 0001 1 78 090 0119 0 78 000 0001 1 76 120 0119 0 76 000 0001 1 74 090 0119 0 74 000 0001 1 71 090 0119 0 71 000 0001 1 69 090 0119 0 69 000 0001 1 67 127 0239 0 67 000 0001 1 64 090 0239 0 64 000 0001 1 62 090 0239 0 62 000 0001 1 71 090 0479 0 71 000 0001 1 67 090 0119 0 67 000 0001 1 69 090 0119 0 69 000 0001 1 71 127 0239 0 71 000 0001 1 74 090 0239 0 74 000 0001 1 74 090 0239 0 74 000 0001 1 74 090 0479 0 74 000 0001 1 72 090 0119 0 72 000 0001 1 71 090 0119 0 71 000 0001 1 69 127 0239 0 69 000 0001 1 72 090 0239 0 72 000 0001 1 72 090 0239 0 72 000 0001 1 72 090 0479 0 72 000 0001 1 71 090 0119 0 71 000 0001 1 69 090 0119 0 69 000 0001 1 71 127 0239 0 71 000 0001 1 79 090 0239 0 79 000 0001 1 78 090 0239 0 78 000 0001 1 79 090 0319 0 79 000 0001 1 81 090 0159 0 81 000 0001 1 83 090 0239 0 83 000 0001 1 76 127 0239 0 76 000 0001 1 79 090 0239 0 79 000 0001 1 78 090 0239 0 78 000 0001 1 79 090 0719 0 79 000 0001 1 79 090 0119 0 79 000 0001 1 81 090 0119 0 81 000 0001 1 83 127 0319 0 83 000 0001 1 81 090 0159 0 81 000 0001 1 79 090 0239 0 79 000 0001 1 78 090 0239 0 78 000 0001 1 76 120 0239 0 76 000 0001 1 74 090 0239 0 74 000 0001 1 72 127 0239 0 72 000 0001 1 69 090 0239 0 69 000 0001 1 76 090 0239 0 76 000 0001 1 66 090 0319 0 66 000 0001 1 67 090 0159 0 67 000 0001 1 69 090 0239 0 69 000 0001 1 71 127 0239 0 71 000 0001 1 74 090 0239 0 74 000 0001 1 76 090 0239 0 76 000 0001 1 79 090 0119 0 79 000 0001 1 78 090 0119 0 78 000 0001 1 76 120 0119 0 76 000 0001 1 74 090 0119 0 74 000 0001 1 71 090 0119 0 71 000 0001 1 69 090 0119 0 69 000 0001 1 67 127 0239 0 67 000 0001 1 64 090 0239 0 64 000 0001 1 62 090 0239 0 62 000 0001 1 64 090 0479 0 64 000
End

This program is worth the effort of learning it.

To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here

ABC format:

X:1
T:HARMONY FOR CAPTAIN O'KANE
M:6/8
Q:1/4=120
K:G
G/2F/2EGAB2|A/2G/2A/2B/2d/2B/2A/2G/2FG|ABdeg/2f/2e/2d/2|
B/2A/2GEDB2|G/2F/2EGAB2|A/2G/2A/2B/2d/2B/2A/2G/2FG|
ABdeg/2f/2e/2d/2|B/2A/2GEDB2|G/2A/2Bddd2|
c/2B/2Accc2|B/2A/2Bgfg11/8a5/8|begfg2|-gg/2a/2b11/8a5/8gf|
edcAeF|-F3/8G5/8ABdeg/2f/2|e/2d/2B/2A/2GEDE|
-E||

Wassail! V

09 Jan 01 - 06:41 PM (#371809)
Subject: RE: Captain Keane (Carolan tune)
From: Sorcha

Thanks, snuffers! Is 1/4=120 the same as 1=70? I should be played (i think!) Adiago to Andante......

09 Jan 01 - 08:10 PM (#371882)
Subject: RE: Captain Keane (Carolan tune)
From: GUEST,Bruce O.

Donal O'Sullivan said his source for "Captain O'Kaine", his #133, was O'Farrell's tune noted above, but O'Sullivan has 'doctored' quite a bit. Here's O'Farrell's tune as originally given:

X:1
T:Captain O Cain
S:OFPC2 p. 53
L:1/8
M:6/8
K:Am
A/G/|EAA/B/ c2B/A/|{c/}Bd/c/B/A/ G A B|\
c e c (e/d/)(c/B/)(A/G/)|\
EAAA2||B|cee e3/2 f/ g|Bddd2g/f/|dag a3/2b/c'|\
eag a2b|c' b a g e e|d B g G A B|c3/2 e/ c e/d/c/B/A/G/|\
EAA{B/}A2|]

09 Jan 01 - 10:16 PM (#371956)
Subject: RE: Captain Keane (Carolan tune)
From: GUEST,sORCHA @THE cOP sHOP

I just now realized that the key inSnuffy's MIDI is g major--but he didn't change any of the notes tht I posted.....strange.

10 Jan 01 - 08:39 AM (#372113)
Subject: RE: Captain Keane (Carolan tune)
From: Snuffy

I think Miditext does strange things with key signatures, and it seems to depend on what program you generated the midi with. I think it will almost always report a minor tune as being in the relative major. And I've noticed that all Bob Bolton's miditext postings are reported as being in C, irrespective of what key they are actually in.

It all helps to make life interesting

Wassail! V

10 Jan 01 - 12:29 PM (#372234)
Subject: RE: Captain Keane (Carolan tune)
From: winniemih

This tune is in the Mel Bay publication, The Complete Irish Fiddler, and is titled The Wounded Hussar. It's given in Gm, but it is mentioned that this piece has been done in many different keys. There are parts for 2nd fiddle and cello (or keyboard).