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12 Jan 01 - 06:45 AM (#373233) Subject: Philosophical ponderings From: GUEST "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose" Discuss. |
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12 Jan 01 - 07:09 AM (#373236) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: Ringer A bit cynical? |
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12 Jan 01 - 07:58 AM (#373252) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: Dave the Gnome Anyone who includes that line in the same song as "I pulled my harpoon out of my dirty red bandana" cannot be taken seriously in the UK;-) DtG |
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12 Jan 01 - 08:26 AM (#373257) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: Jock Morris I know it's a quote from a song I've heard, but I don't know what song. AARRGGHH!!!! That's goin' tae bug me noo. Scott |
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12 Jan 01 - 08:33 AM (#373258) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: SINSULL Me And Bobby McGee...LA LA LA Janis Joplin ROOOLS! Bet you to it, Matt. I likes Mercedes Benz better. |
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12 Jan 01 - 08:58 AM (#373266) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: Jock Morris Thanks Sinsull; one of our regular session members has been singing it recently. While you still have something somebody will probably want to take it away from you, be it property or the right to free speech or choice of religion. Yes, I am a cynical sod. Scott |
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12 Jan 01 - 09:11 AM (#373272) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: kendall Do you know what a "harpoon" is? |
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12 Jan 01 - 09:12 AM (#373273) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: GUEST,Matt_R You didn't beat me to it, Sins. I'm not into Janis Joplin at all. But The Move did a great live version of "Piece of My Heart". |
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12 Jan 01 - 09:19 AM (#373278) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: SINSULL A harpoon is not something you stick into a whale! I'll leave you to explain it Kendall - keeping in mind that you are ex-law enforcement officer. Matt, I miss the days when you loved every form of music known to man. But I miss watching my nephew (now 35) dripping ice cream on his favorite T-shirt and then weepingly begging me to wash it. Hate to see the kids grow up. |
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12 Jan 01 - 09:30 AM (#373287) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: kendall Sounds to me like your nephew HASN'T grown up! 35, and cant do laundry! Someone did a job on him! By the way, as I understand it, a "harpoon" is slang for a harmonica. |
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12 Jan 01 - 09:34 AM (#373289) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: Dave the Gnome Nope - no idea what a harpoon is, but guess you can blow it (sad while Bobby sings the blues...) Still fits in with my lavotorial humour. Oh, err, missus, doesn't he blow a lovely harpoon;-) DtG |
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12 Jan 01 - 10:02 AM (#373300) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: Ferrara We had a thread awhile back where it was claimed that "harpoon" used to be used to mean harmonica, I think especially in the Southern U.S. It originally may have referred to a specific brand that was popular in the south, but that may be "fakelore." |
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12 Jan 01 - 10:13 AM (#373302) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: SINSULL Kendall, My point was that at 35 he neither drips ice cream nor asks me to do his laundry. He not only does laundry, he cooks and changes diapars. I trained him well, thank you! |
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12 Jan 01 - 10:30 AM (#373308) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: Pseudolus I guess if I was 35 and wearing diapers, I'd wanna change my own....!!! I'm really sorry, but I just couldn't resist, it's the first picture that came into my sick little mind... Frank |
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12 Jan 01 - 10:31 AM (#373310) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: dwditty Actually, Booby McGee was written by Kris Kristofferson, which might explain why the opening line of this thread appears in the same song as "pulled my harpoon..." dw |
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12 Jan 01 - 10:40 AM (#373317) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: catspaw49 And frankly, the best rendition of it I can think of is by Ramblin' Jack.......not sure whether he uses diapers or not............................................ Spaw |
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12 Jan 01 - 10:54 AM (#373327) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: SINSULL Hopeless. Just hopeless. |
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12 Jan 01 - 12:00 PM (#373366) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: Dave Wynn Well I like it and sing it once every year without fail.! Spot |
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12 Jan 01 - 12:02 PM (#373370) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: Kim C Well, I guess when you are completely free, you don't have anything to lose... hmmmm..... |
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12 Jan 01 - 12:29 PM (#373381) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: catspaw49 .........and what would you need a diaper for in that case anyhow? Just let fly............................. Spaw |
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12 Jan 01 - 02:04 PM (#373440) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: Matt_R I always liked how Roger Miller sang it. No, I've not changed Sins...I've never been into Janis. Not that I hate her..just not exactly my style. |
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12 Jan 01 - 02:12 PM (#373443) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: kendall Sinsull...now you know how "Edgar Cayce" was created! |
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12 Jan 01 - 02:49 PM (#373466) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: McGrath of Harlow But the next line is what makes it: "Nothin' ain't worth nothin', but it's free".
Mind the DT doesn't have it that way, and I don't know if that's how it was written by KK. DT has it "Nothing don't mean nothing but it's free", which somehow loses the edge.
I've got this theory that Bobby is really a young man, which changes the whole song round a bit. All you'd need to change it is one "her" changed to "him", and a couple of "she's" changed to "he". And a hell of a lot of nerve.
Anyway it's not a bad song at all. Pity KK hasn't written a few more half as good. I've never heard Ramblin' Jack Elliot sing it, but I can imagine him doing it pretty well. (Not as well as we do it when our Pete's in good voice though.)
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12 Jan 01 - 02:52 PM (#373471) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: McGrath of Harlow That shouldn't have come out like that... Still, never mind. It should make more people have a shifty at the DT version. |
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12 Jan 01 - 02:57 PM (#373477) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: McGrath of Harlow That shouldn't have come out like that... Still, never mind. It should make more people have a shifty at the DT version. |
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12 Jan 01 - 04:08 PM (#373517) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: Peter T. shouldn't that be "take a shufti"? yours, Peter T. |
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12 Jan 01 - 04:44 PM (#373537) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: Little Hawk Having nothing left to lose is a kind of freedom. You are then free to act without being tied to anything. That's exactly what it's like in moments of great danger, and it's one of the reasons that some people seek out dangerous situations...they want that brief taste of freedom. To have many valuable possessions can deprive a person of freedom. You have to then guard those things, provide storage for them, pay for upkeep and insurance, worry about theft, and so on. There's all kinds of stuff in the New Testament and in most spiritual teachings about this kind of thing..."store up treasures in heaven" (within yourself) where thieves, moths, and rust cannot go... And to quote Dylan in Like A Rolling Stone... "When you ain't got nothin', you got nothin' to lose, you're invisible now, you've got no secrets to conceal" Maybe Kristofferson was thinking of that when he wrote those lines. Maybe not. It was a good song he did, but I got kind of tired of it over the years (Bobby McGee, that is), after too many requests to play it by various well-meaning people. - LH |
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12 Jan 01 - 04:53 PM (#373544) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: Snuffy I prefer dwditty's Booby McGee - you couldn't turn her into a bloke, Kevin! |
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12 Jan 01 - 05:04 PM (#373551) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: Amos It's like a Zen thing, man. No matter what you own or don't, the ability to truly "have" nothing is like, the ultimate state, man. It's like essence of transcendance, man -- the Big Zero of Attachment, the Nihil of Ego, the true emptiness of Aware Will, man, no strings, no beams, no TV....I'm, like, wow... it is so Out, it's In! 'Cus see, true zero is like Outside the Universe, man, and there's no form, like, and like, not even any ground! It is SO like true, man! Gnarly, y'know? And if you dig True Zero, see, well, man it is JUST like infinity, so having nothing is just like having it all, ya dig? I'm like wow. I mean.... Regards, A |
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12 Jan 01 - 06:10 PM (#373590) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: Murray MacLeod Right on, Amos Murray |
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12 Jan 01 - 07:04 PM (#373611) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: catspaw49 Yeah, wow, like,uh,cool.....thanks, man..............far out..................... Spaw |
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12 Jan 01 - 07:42 PM (#373638) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: kendall Never own anything that you have to feed or paint. (Utah Phillips) |
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12 Jan 01 - 09:52 PM (#373700) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: GUEST Amos, you'd man. |
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12 Jan 01 - 11:28 PM (#373725) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: McGrath of Harlow shufti is closer to the original Hindi, I suppose, but words adjust, and you get both ways of saying it. |
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15 Jan 01 - 08:42 AM (#374804) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: Grab McGrath, nerve is one thing Janis wasn't short of! :-) You'd certainly need nerve as a man singing it about a man - "Bobbi McGee" is obviously a love-song, so you'd have to be sure of your audience. Grab. |
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15 Jan 01 - 09:39 AM (#374832) Subject: RE: BS: Philosophical ponderings From: SINSULL How did I know that Edgar Cayce would turn up here - sorry for the pun. True Zero??? I like that. Says it all. Thanks Amos. |