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10 Dec 96 - 09:45 AM (#718) Subject: origin request : 'I loved a lad' From: NickJ Can anyone help me with this request ? I'm looking for the origins (simply listed as 'Trad' - no date - on the album) of a track called 'I loved a lad'. It appears on Eddie Reader's (scottish) latest album : 'Canyfloss and Medicine'. The record label is Blanco y Negro (no web site that I can find), and it came out this year. I'm doing research for a novel and I need : (a) to check that I have transcribed the lyrics correctly (b) to try and find something more than just 'Trad' by way of the song's origins. Thanks. Nick |
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10 Dec 96 - 08:16 PM (#728) Subject: RE: origin request : 'I loved a lad' From: dick greenhaus Hi- It's in the DT--also known as the Grey Hawk. I don't know how old it is, but it's been widely collected in England in the late nineteenth/early 20th century. |
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12 Dec 96 - 06:37 AM (#755) Subject: Lyr Add: I LOVED A LAD From: Nick J Hi Dick, Thanks for your suggestion, but unfortunately the 'grey hawk' is not the same song. I will include the lyrics to the song (hopefully I've transcribed them okay) in case this helps jog anyone's memory.
Thanks again,
I loved a lad, and I loved him so well.
And I sell my love, down by the corrach side
The lads in the forest, they ask of me.
Dig me a grave, both long and both deep. |
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12 Dec 96 - 07:33 PM (#764) Subject: RE: origin request : 'I loved a lad' From: Susan of DT It is usually I once {or ainse} loved a LASS and we have several in the DT There is a family of songs around the False Bride or The Week Before Easter. Find them in the DT with file names of FALS* or FLSE* (you can search for those). There are two common tunes to the false bride - one is also used for Ladies Go Dancing at Whitsun and the other is used for I once loved a lass and a variety of other songs, such as Birmingham Sunday. One interesting quirk is that whenever this tune is used, the ships in the forest verse is used, even tho it is usually irrelevent. None of this answers you question. A quick look at a dozen or so books on my shelves did not yield an answer, so I will dig offline and tell you if I find anything definitive. Dick - Why didn't we put a DT number on this?? |
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12 Dec 96 - 09:09 PM (#766) Subject: RE: origin request : 'I loved a lad' From: Susan of DT I found it. First I was wondering when I did not find the song under False Bride, Week Before Easter or I once loved a lass in about 40 books. Of course most of my books are ballads. Then I found it in Kennedy, Folksongs of Britain and Ireland. First reference: c.1685 broadside by John White of Newcastle upon Tyne: The Forlorn Lover (I had forgotten that title) also 1773 New Partheon Concert #14 The False Nymph 1871 Roxburghe 1881 Christie 1895 Baring Gould and so on with 9 more before 1920. Is this what you wanted?
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13 Dec 96 - 08:33 AM (#769) Subject: RE: origin request : 'I loved a lad' From: Susan of DT There are 7 versions of the false bride in the DT with filenames of FLSEBRDE FLSEBRD2 FLSEBRD3 FLSEBRD4 FLSEBRD5 FLSEBRD6 FLSEBRD7. These can all be found by searching for FLSEBRD* It we had put a DT# on them, it would be easier in that you could just search for the number. We will enter your version next time (april) and will put a DT# on them. Check out the versions. |
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14 Dec 96 - 05:23 AM (#780) Subject: RE: origin request : 'I loved a lad' From: NickJ Thanks a million -- that's just what I was looking for. I'm sure I'll be using DT a lot more in the next year or so. Keep up the good work, Nick |
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09 Apr 20 - 06:37 AM (#4044827) Subject: RE: Origin: I Loved a Lad From: GUEST,Phillip This is not exactly the right place, but I thought I could append it here? I have recently heard on youtube a version of The Lambs on the Green Hills sung by "Sheila O'Donnell". It's very good, reminiscent of The Johnston's version. But I can find no such Irish singer anywhere else and so can't get a copy of the recording. Does anyone know any more about it or her? (There is a Chicago singer of that name, but wrong woman, I think.) To find the recording search on youtube for Interpretive Dance to "The Lambs on the Green Hills" or go here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kOhg5lhazQ&t=114s Thanks Phillip |
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09 Apr 20 - 09:36 AM (#4044855) Subject: RE: Origin: I Loved a Lad From: cnd Phillip, you can listen to the song you're looking for here: https://soundcloud.com/pristinerecording/four-green-fields. It is actually titled as "Four Green Hills" on the album. It is from a 2000 album by Sheila O'Donnell titled "Come By the Hills" |
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09 Apr 20 - 09:37 AM (#4044856) Subject: RE: Origin: I Loved a Lad From: GUEST,Starship https://art-wkusa.ru/video/1Sa-jY8awbw/the-lambs-on-the-green-hills/ That's the voice you're looking for, Phillip. |
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10 Apr 20 - 03:51 AM (#4045001) Subject: RE: Origin: I Loved a Lad From: Phillip Thank you both very much. So, is the youtube version an earlier, less refined version we might say, of the the soundcloud one? I put Sheila's name on the youtube one in case anyone else ever stumbles across it. |
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10 Apr 20 - 07:47 PM (#4045216) Subject: RE: Origin: I Loved a Lad From: GUEST,Julia L I sing it thus, having learned it from a local fellow when I was doing project in Oxford in 1974. Oh I loved a lad, and I loved him so well And I hated all others that wished of him ill And now he's rewarded me well for my love For he's gone to be wed to another When I saw my love to the church go With his bride and her maidens , they made a fine show And I followed on with a heart full of woe For he's gone to be wed to another The men in the forest ask=ed of me "How many strawberries grow in the salt sea?" I answered them back with a tear in my eye "How many ships sail in the forest?" Go dig my grave so wide and so deep That I may lay me there down to sleep With only the green gras to hear a I weep "My love's gone to be wed to another." The tune is modal and derivative of the Lambs on the green hills / week before Easter |
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10 Apr 20 - 07:50 PM (#4045219) Subject: RE: Origin: I Loved a Lad From: GUEST,Julia L just remembered another verse 3) When I saw my love sit down to dine I sat down beside him and poured out the wine I drank to the lad that should have been mine Now he's gone to be wed to another |
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10 Apr 20 - 09:48 PM (#4045235) Subject: RE: Origin: I Loved a Lad From: RTim Way way back in 1979 - the English singer Dave Paskett made a recording (LP in those days...) called Pasketry...Much of it were songs he had written or adapted, many were Humorous...but the last song was - I Loved a Lass...it is great and one of the only serious songs on the recording. Dave no longer sings and plays, but is one of the UK's best Painters/Artists. Tim Radford (who is going to steal his version to sing now I have been reminded of it!!) |
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10 Apr 20 - 10:50 PM (#4045241) Subject: RE: Origin: I Loved a Lad From: Rumncoke I think this is one of the most beautiful tunes I sing. |