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11 Oct 97 - 08:58 PM (#14497) Subject: Johnny Has Gone For A Soldier From: philpod@axionet.com Does any one know any history behind this song, the author's name,where & when it was written ? |
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11 Oct 97 - 09:30 PM (#14499) Subject: RE: Johnny Has Gone For A Soldier From: Joe Offer There are five (count 'em, FIVE) versions of this song in the database [search under SHULARN* ]. There are a few tidbits of information with the song texts, but not much. This is a song that has always puzzled me, too. There's gotta be a good story behind it. Anybody know? -Joe Offer- |
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11 Oct 97 - 10:33 PM (#14501) Subject: RE: Johnny Has Gone For A Soldier From: Bruce This is best know as "Shule Agra/Aroon", and there are versions in DT, but the song may not be Irish at all. There is a short Scots version, "Dicky Macphalion" in C. K. Sharpe's A Ballad Book, 1823. One of the most characteristic verses occurs in a English broadside ballad of about 1660. This (1/2) verse goes:
I'll sell my Rock and eke my Reel, ..... [also--]
I'le pawn my Kirtle and eke my Gowne,
In this ballad she does not lament her soldier lad in the Scottish army going off to war, she goes with him. This ballad "The North-country Maid's Resolution, and Love to her sweetheart", (tune, "Cavallily Man") is in The Euing Collection, #257. The English broadside is probably based on a Scots song of the civil wars. A 17th century Scots copy of the tune "Cavallily Man" was called "Roger the Cavalier". So the original was probably by some Scotsman abround 1645, but it has been reworkred several times since. For some notes on Irish versions see Donal O'Sullivan's edition of the Bunting MSS in 'The Journal of the Irish Folk Song Society'. 1927-39.
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12 Oct 97 - 06:48 AM (#14515) Subject: RE: Johnny Has Gone For A Soldier From: alison Hi The Shule Aroon version, (basically the same as the others), tells of a woman's love for a soldier who has fled to France after the final surrender in 1691 of the Catholic armies to William of Orange's Protestant forces at Limerick in Ireland. These soldier's were known as "The Wild Geese", and fought for Ireland in the armies of France and Spain. Hope this helps. Slainte ALison |
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12 Oct 97 - 07:01 AM (#14518) Subject: RE: Johnny Has Gone For A Soldier From: Alan of Australia G'day Alison, And it was nice helping you sing it at The Western Suburbs Folk Music Club on Friday. Cheers, |
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12 Oct 97 - 03:25 PM (#14540) Subject: RE: Johnny Has Gone For A Soldier From: Philippa at Sabhal Mor Ostaig, Isle of Skye I concur with Alsion. There is a line in 'Siul A Ruin' (Shule Aroon): "Ach cuireadh air Ri Sheamais ruaig" - King James was put to flight. There are versions of this song completely in Irish Gaelic, completely in English, and with a mixture of the two. One version 'Buttermilk Hill' came from a battle in the American Civil War, I think (my mmory and the century could be wrong, the American War of Independence?/ I think I heard it sung by Ronnie Gilbert, once of the Weavers?) and I believe refers to someplace in Pennsylvania |
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12 Oct 97 - 03:59 PM (#14546) Subject: RE: Johnny Has Gone For A Soldier From: Bruce According to a note in 'Journal of the Irish Folk Song Society' (where the Gaelic text is given) the line you quoted is from a translation by Dr. Douglas Hyde of a rewritten version of 'Shul Agra' by A. P. Graves. |
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13 Oct 97 - 02:51 AM (#14583) Subject: RE: Johnny Has Gone For A Soldier From: alison hi, The Buttermilk Hill bit is from "Gone the Rainbow" as recorded by Peter, Paul and Mary. Slainte Alison |
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13 Oct 97 - 06:37 PM (#14646) Subject: RE: Johnny Has Gone For A Soldier From: Nonie Rider Isn't there a version of Shule Aroon on the LONG BLACK VEIL compilation? Or had I been listening to overmany Weavers at that point? I'll admit it does sound odd from a male singer... The song does also provide a few good lines for parodies, like Anne Passovoy's "The False Young Man with the Microphone": "I'll sell my rack, I'll sell my reel/I'll buy a steel guitar." (That's the one about musical copyright theft that ends "So never trust a roving man, whoever he may be,/If his hand's upon a microphone and not upon your knee." |
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13 Oct 97 - 07:38 PM (#14663) Subject: RE: Johnny Has Gone For A Soldier From: alison hi It's not on the Long Black Veil but it is on Lord of the Dance. slainte alison |
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10 Apr 05 - 09:24 PM (#1457646) Subject: RE: Johnny Has Gone For A Soldier From: GUEST,David James Taylor did a version i know. |
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11 Apr 05 - 04:17 AM (#1457791) Subject: RE: Johnny Has Gone For A Soldier From: GUEST,Allen As did John Tams. Funny, I thought this was an English/Scottish song. |
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22 Apr 05 - 12:03 AM (#1467644) Subject: RE: Origins: Johnny Has Gone for a Soldier From: GUEST,Karin What does "Shule Agra" mean in the song? (Song also known as Johnny has gone for a soldier.) |
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22 Apr 05 - 05:22 AM (#1467761) Subject: RE: Origins: Johnny Has Gone for a Soldier From: GUEST,Declan Súil a Grá - means walk my love. Súil a Rúin means more or less the same thing. In the Gaelic version of the song it is an encouragement to his love to walk to the door and elope with the singer - "Súil go doras agus éalaigh liom" |
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24 Apr 05 - 02:16 PM (#1469433) Subject: RE: Origins: Johnny Has Gone for a Soldier From: GUEST,robertgrgg@yahoo.com I think this is very close to at least the version that James Taylor sings. Enjoy Intro: D C Asus Em G D C Asus Em There she sits on Buttermilk Hill. Em7 Bm7 C Asus Em Oh who could blame her crying her fill. Em G Asus C C G D Asus Em Every tear would turn a mill… Johnny has gone for a soldier Interlude1 G D C Asus Em G D C Asus Em Em7 Bm7 C Asus Em Me oh my, she loved him so Broke her heart just to see him go. Em G Asus C C G D Asus Em Only time will heal her woe. Johnny has gone for a soldier Interlude2 G D C Asus Em Em7 Bm7 C Asus Em Em G Asus C C9 D Em G D C Asus Em Em7 Bm7 C Asus Em She sold her rock and she sold her hill.She sold her only spinning wheel Em G Asus C C G D Asus Em To by her love his sword of steel Johnny has gone for a soldier G D C Asus Em She'll die her dress, shell die in red Em7 Bm7 C Asus Em And in the streets go begging for bread Em G Asus C The one she loves from her has fled C G D Asus Em Johnny has gone for a soldier |