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Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner

15 Feb 01 - 06:35 PM (#398945)
Subject: Cor Bugger Janner
From: Hawker

Hi Mudcatters, I Have the words to a Cornish / Westcountry song 'Cor / Gor bugger Janner / Jacker' taken from a recording by Ian Marshall, I don't think it is an OLD song, first heard round the 60's? but the version we have is missing a verse that we recall as having a mention of Plymouth Hoe in.... anybody out there can help? Lucy

16 Feb 01 - 03:14 AM (#399221)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: sledge

Lucy, could you let us know what you have so far, the only related stuff I know is somewhat vulgar, but then again thats probably because I spent a bit of time in the Navy.

Sledge

16 Feb 01 - 09:37 AM (#399339)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: wes.w

Gor Bugger Jacker heard up this way (zummerzet). But don't remember no Hoe, although Oggies on Trees chorass got to be Kernow song originally 'sno. John the Fish/Brenda Wootton rings vague bells, but will check my Wurzels collection!
..wes

16 Feb 01 - 09:55 AM (#399348)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)

The Oggie song by Cyril Tawney... He says Jagger I sing Jenner westcountry slang... have'nt heard it sung fer years. There are many extemporised verses to this song, most of Royal Navy origin. Yours, Aye. Dave

16 Feb 01 - 02:59 PM (#399584)
Subject: Lyr Add: GOR BUGGER JACKER
From: Hawker

What I have got so far.......

GOR BUGGER JACKER

Where be 'e gwain Jacker, I be gwain to Looe
Gor bugger Jacker I be gwain there too
Oh how happy we will be when us gets to the Westcountry
Where the oggy grows on tree Gor bugger Jacker

Up the Camborne hill we go, down Helston Furry
Come on Jacker don't be late, come on Jacker hurry
Oh how happy us will be when us gets to the Westcountry
Where the oggy grows on trees, Gor bugger Jacker

Half a pound of tuppeny rice makes a lovely batter
Makes enough for you & me Gor bugger Jacker
Oh how happy etc.

You make fast, I'll make fast, Make fast together
You make fast, Kiss my arse, Gor bugger Jacker
Oh how happy etc.

Any more verses anybody?

Thanks, Lucy

16 Feb 01 - 03:39 PM (#399628)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: sledge

OK her goes, once this lots laid down, those who wish to crucify me please do so after march as I am seeing a few gigs then, even better if you could wait until after the Croredy festival in August.

Verse 1. There once was lad called Aladdin who had a magic lamp
He got it of a matelot who was fathoms up a tramp
He got it off a Matelot to see what he could get
Well he rubbed and he rubbed and he rubbed and he rubbed
And he ain't got F@*k all yet.

Verse 2. The Sultan said to Aladdin, "My palace you will paint"
Aladdin like a big OD said, "No I f@%$#£g ain't"
He went down to the paint store and drew some black enamel
And he stuffed it up the A%$£&*@e of the Sultan's favorite camel

16 Feb 01 - 09:34 PM (#399860)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: Hawker

HHhhmmmmm!!!

ANYMORE?

17 Feb 01 - 05:00 AM (#400024)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: GUEST,KLernow Jon

Lucy
Do you have the ending like this in your version?
And we'll all go back to Oggie land to Oggie land
And we'll all go back to Oggie land
Where they don't know sugar from tissue paper,tissue paper
Marmalade and jam.

I can post a tune later if anyone is interested.
KJ

17 Feb 01 - 04:25 PM (#400334)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: RoyH (Burl)

Hey Kernow Jon - thats the way my mother used to singing it. Cyril Tawney knows those words too. 'You make fast, I'll make fast, make fast the dinghy'. Yes? Burl.

17 Feb 01 - 04:27 PM (#400340)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: RoyH (Burl)

I forgot - mum always sang 'Jagger' She (and friends) would sing the 'Kiss my Arse' bit when they thought I couldnt hear. Burl

17 Feb 01 - 07:44 PM (#400491)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: Hawker

Hi, Kernow John, Yes, sorry, we do finish it like that, I was focussing on the verses! Lucy

18 Feb 01 - 12:57 AM (#400640)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: Les B

For those of us in the colonies, who have lost the old country language, could you translate a bit of this song ? (I do understand "Kiss My Arse," thank you very much.)

18 Feb 01 - 04:20 AM (#400676)
Subject: Tune Add: COR BUGGER JACKA
From: GUEST,Kernow Jon

Here's a tune to Cor Bugger.
T:COR BUGGER JACKA
M:4/4
L:1/4
Q:90
K:C
EEE/D/-D|E/G/-G3|EEED|C4|E2E/D/-D|E/G/-G3|EEED|C4||
ccccG|AAG2|cccG/G/|AAG2|c3/2c/c/G3/2|AAG2|
E2E/D/-D|D/C/2-C3:||"Ending"GG|A2c2|B2A2|AGG2-|
G2E2|GFF2-|F2D2FEE2-|E2GG|A2c2|B2A2|AGG2-|
G2EF|G2F2|E/E3/2D2|CEEE|CEEE|G3/2F/ED|Cz2z||

% ABC2Win Version 2.1 18/02/2001

You have to juggle the melody a bit to make it fit all the verses.
KJ

28 Jul 11 - 02:03 PM (#3197398)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: GUEST,dave

janner= devonshire where pasties really come from.

28 Jul 11 - 05:11 PM (#3197503)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: Little Robyn

Cornish Pasties come from Devon???
Next you'll be claiming Cornish clotted cream!
Oggie, oggie, oggie!
Robyn

28 Jul 11 - 09:46 PM (#3197635)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: Gurney

I always heard it sung as 'Cor bugger, Jagger,' and 'Up to Cambourne hill us'll go.' Mostly in roaring accompaniment to Cyril.

29 Jul 11 - 10:41 AM (#3197912)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: RoyH (Burl)

This thread reminds me just how much we miss Cyril.

13 Jun 12 - 04:46 PM (#3363041)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: GUEST

13 Jun 12 - 04:56 PM (#3363044)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: autoharpbob

I always knew it as Jagger and according to my father it was compulsory to sing this song whenever you cross the border into Devon. I tend to whistle it if accompanied.

23 Jan 14 - 10:35 AM (#3594961)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: GUEST,A Blackcountry Janner

Half a pound of flour and lard Makes lovely clacker.
Just enough for you and me, Gor bugger Janner.
Oh how happy us will be, When us gets to the West country,
Where the Oggies grow on trees.
Gor bugger Janner.
You make fast, I'll make fast, Make fast the lugger.
You make fast, I'll make fast, You silly bugger.
And we'll all go back to Oggie Land, to Oggie Land, to Oggie Land
And we'll all go back to Oggie Land, where they can't tell
Sugar from tissue paper, tissue paper, marmalade or Jam.
Oggie! Oggie! Oggie! - Oi! Oi! Oi! (Sung twice)
Oggie! - Oi! (Sung Twice)
Oggie! Oggie! Oggie! - Oi! Oi! Oi!
(P.S. Taffy the thief stole our cry from us).

23 Jan 14 - 11:23 AM (#3594985)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: Lighter

Who writes this stuff?

And why isn't it taught in the schools?

23 Jan 14 - 04:41 PM (#3595066)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: RoyH (Burl)

Reading this thread once again reminds me even more of what I said on 29 July 2011. God bless you Cyril, and Rosemary too.

23 Jan 14 - 05:37 PM (#3595077)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: bubblyrat

In the Fleet Air Arm we always tended to combine the song with "I know where that blackbird be , and I be after 'e " as they seemed to go together rather well , whilst the "Oggie! Oggie! Oggie! " etc , was the cry of the supporters of the Fleet Air Arm field gun crew .As to Jagger or Janner , I always say "Cor ! Bugger I , Jagger , " if I meet Gideon (if'n you know who I mean , Lucy !!) .

24 Jan 14 - 06:46 AM (#3595199)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: GUEST,Dave Lock

I remember a band from Torquay doing this . There's a verse which goes:
Be I Devonshire? Be I buggery! I comes down from Fairham
Where all the whores wear callico draws, and I knows how to tear 'em!

This goes directly before "And we'll all go back to oggie land" etc.

25 Jan 14 - 05:50 AM (#3595464)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: bubblyrat

No it's not , it's "Be I 'Ampshire, be I buggery , I comes up from Wareham !" .......So there !!

13 Jun 22 - 03:04 AM (#4144290)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: GUEST

Great to find all this info.
Was listening to Ian Marshall version.
I lived in Cornwall for a short time & Devon then Somerset too & remember it vaguely.
Now Australia so Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, Oi, Oi, Oi !!!

24 Aug 23 - 05:33 AM (#4179786)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: GUEST,Roy

Up this way it was. …..I be gwain to Rewe.

24 Aug 23 - 05:30 PM (#4179865)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: GeoffLawes

Two recordings on YouTube
Cornish song Poor Bugger Janner (part only) sung by Jim Coyle and the Raggeder Band https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3Ci7ssuIXU
Cor Bugger, Jacker · Ian Marshall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXWudGwwBKE

24 Aug 23 - 05:51 PM (#4179866)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: Joe_F

At St Andrews in 1959, it was

Be I Berkshire, be I buggery!
I comes up from Pusey.
Yesterday I had a cow --
Buggers can't be choosy.

30 Aug 23 - 07:22 PM (#4180346)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: and e

....In his book I Joined the Navy and Saw the World Ivor Burston
describes how,, at the Royal Naval Barracks, Devonport, in 1943,
he helped write the original lyrics, and adds: 'This was first sung
in the Beer Bar and Batchy Payne was the pianist.'

45 The Oggie Song

Where be going to Jagger?
I be going to Looe.
Gor! Bugger Jagger!
I be going there too.

Chorus
Oh 'ow 'appy us will be
When us gets to the Westcountree
Where the oggies grow on trees
Gor! Bugger Jagger!

Up the Cambrone Hill we go
Down to Heston Ferry
Come on Jagger, don't be late,
Come on Jagger, hurry.

Chorus Oh 'ow 'appy, etc.

Half a pound of flour and marge
Makes lovely clacker
Just enough for you and me
Gor! Bugger Jagger!

Chorus: Oh 'ow 'appy, etc.

You make fast, I'll make fast,
Make fast the dinghy,
You make fast, I'll make fast, (or 'kiss my arse')
Make fast the dinghy,
And we'll all go back to Oggie Land,
To Oggie Land, to Oggie Land,
Yes we'll all go back to Oggie Land,
where they don't know sugar from
Tissue paper, tissue paper, marmalade and jam.

Shout: OGGIE! OGGIE! OGGIE!

Response: OINK! OINK! OINK!

Supplementary chorus:
One the quarter deck I lie
Have some starry-gazy pie
Have another pint of beer with I
Gor! Bugger Jagger!

To indicate the tune(s) to which the above words are sung is a
little complicated. The first three verses and chorus are based
on the hymn 'There is a Happy Land, Far, Far Away'. The remainder
of the song is to the unte 'Marching to Pretoria', part from the
final two lines, which have a tune of their own. The "Make fast
the dinghy' quatrain was taken over, I believe, from a marching
song of the Corps of Royal Engineers...

Grey Funnel Lines by Cyril Tawney.

See here: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Grey_Funnel_Lines/r01ACwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22oggie%20land%22%20OR%20%22oggieland%22%20song&pg=PT97&printsec=frontcover

30 Aug 23 - 07:22 PM (#4187122)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: and e

....In his book I Joined the Navy and Saw the World Ivor Burston
describes how,, at the Royal Naval Barracks, Devonport, in 1943,
he helped write the original lyrics, and adds: 'This was first sung
in the Beer Bar and Batchy Payne was the pianist.'

45 The Oggie Song

Where be going to Jagger?
I be going to Looe.
Gor! Bugger Jagger!
I be going there too.

Chorus
Oh 'ow 'appy us will be
When us gets to the Westcountree
Where the oggies grow on trees
Gor! Bugger Jagger!

Up the Cambrone Hill we go
Down to Heston Ferry
Come on Jagger, don't be late,
Come on Jagger, hurry.

Chorus Oh 'ow 'appy, etc.

Half a pound of flour and marge
Makes lovely clacker
Just enough for you and me
Gor! Bugger Jagger!

Chorus: Oh 'ow 'appy, etc.

You make fast, I'll make fast,
Make fast the dinghy,
You make fast, I'll make fast, (or 'kiss my arse')
Make fast the dinghy,
And we'll all go back to Oggie Land,
To Oggie Land, to Oggie Land,
Yes we'll all go back to Oggie Land,
where they don't know sugar from
Tissue paper, tissue paper, marmalade and jam.

Shout: OGGIE! OGGIE! OGGIE!

Response: OINK! OINK! OINK!

Supplementary chorus:
One the quarter deck I lie
Have some starry-gazy pie
Have another pint of beer with I
Gor! Bugger Jagger!

To indicate the tune(s) to which the above words are sung is a
little complicated. The first three verses and chorus are based
on the hymn 'There is a Happy Land, Far, Far Away'. The remainder
of the song is to the unte 'Marching to Pretoria', part from the
final two lines, which have a tune of their own. The "Make fast
the dinghy' quatrain was taken over, I believe, from a marching
song of the Corps of Royal Engineers...

30 Aug 23 - 07:31 PM (#4187123)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: and e

OGGIE LAND

Half a pound of flour and rice, makes a lovely cracker,
Just enough for you and I, cor bugger janner,
Oh how happy us'll be, when us gets to the West Country,
Where the oggies grow on trees, cor bugger janner.

Where be that blackbird to, I know where he be,
He be up yon worzel tree, and I be after he.
Now he sees I, and I sees he, and he knows I be after he,
With a bloody great stick I'll hack 'ee down,
Blackbird I'll have 'ee.

Twenty five years I worked on this farm,
And you can't take the piss out of I,
And we'll all go down to oggie land,
To oggie land, to oggie land,
And we'll all go down to oggie land,
Where they can't tell the difference
Between tissue paper, tissue paper,
Marmalade and jam, Hey !
Milk with the hard on, ICE CREAM !

c1990, transcribed from Rude Rugby Songs, Vol. 3 by Ron & the Rude Boys.

Listen here: https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=XDEvM33st7M&list=OLAK5uy_kSeENnC96GNbfaD8bgghZFMBXNMCotxIc

30 Aug 23 - 07:31 PM (#4180349)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: and e

OGGIE LAND

Half a pound of flour and rice, makes a lovely cracker,
Just enough for you and I, cor bugger janner,
Oh how happy us'll be, when us gets to the West Country,
Where the oggies grow on trees, cor bugger janner.

Where be that blackbird to, I know where he be,
He be up yon worzel tree, and I be after he.
Now he sees I, and I sees he, and he knows I be after he,
With a bloody great stick I'll hack 'ee down,
Blackbird I'll have 'ee.

Twenty five years I worked on this farm,
And you can't take the piss out of I,
And we'll all go down to oggie land,
To oggie land, to oggie land,
And we'll all go down to oggie land,
Where they can't tell the difference
Between tissue paper, tissue paper,
Marmalade and jam, Hey !
Milk with the hard on, ICE CREAM !

c1990, transcribed from Rude Rugby Songs, Vol. 3 by Ron & the Rude Boys.

Listen here: https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=XDEvM33st7M&list=OLAK5uy_kSeENnC96GNbfaD8bgghZFMBXNMCotxIc

30 Aug 23 - 07:36 PM (#4180350)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: and e

I have traced the drinking chant

Aussie Aussie Aussie, Oy Oy Oy

Oggie, Oggie, Oggie, Oy Oy Oy

Siggy saggie, Siggy saggie, Oy Oy Oy

This I have traced to the early 1800s as a drinking chant Germany but have lost my research notes.

30 Aug 23 - 07:36 PM (#4187124)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cor Bugger Janner
From: and e

I have traced the drinking chant

Aussie Aussie Aussie, Oy Oy Oy

Oggie, Oggie, Oggie, Oy Oy Oy

Siggy saggie, Siggy saggie, Oy Oy Oy

This I have traced to the early 1800s as a drinking chant Germany but have lost my research notes.