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09 Mar 01 - 04:48 PM (#414239) Subject: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: mousethief A nutritional scientist dude has finally come out in favor of making your vegetables taste good -- because people tend not to eat them if you don't (doh!).
Adam Drewnowski, Ph.D., has a revolutionary idea: He thinks you ought to add butter, sugar and salt to your veggies -- and that you'll probably live longer as a result. Dr. Drewnowski, who heads the nutritional sciences program at the University of Washington in Seattle, says that dietitians and cancer experts have been telling us for years to eat vegetables plain (either steamed or raw) for maximum goodness. "But I say absolutely not," says Dr. Drewnowski. That's because his research has revealed that many of the cancer-fighting compounds in vegetables taste -- well, not so hot if we eat them plain. But it gets worse. "When I read the research on phytochemicals, no one even talks about the fact that these compounds are bitter, bitter, bitter," he says. He's documented glucosinolates in broccoli, sinigrin in brussels sprouts, cyanogenic glycosides in lima beans, and dozens of other compounds that probably help us fight cancer (plus heart disease, high blood pressure and stroke, diabetes, and cataracts) but that just plain turns us off. No wonder only about 25 percent of Americans eat even the minimum five servings of fruits and vegetables a day. Rediscover cheese sauce Dr. Drewnowski's answer for that dilemma? Rediscover and put into practice the magic secrets that good cooks have known for centuries. Old-fashioned veggie cooks learned long ago to use butter, olive oil, sugar and salt to mask and mellow those bitter phytochemical flavors. And Dr. Drewnowski says that food scientists are now starting to document what cooks have always known. At a recent conference in Japan, scientists presented a paper showing that sphingolipids and phospolipids in milk fat could mask bitter tastes. "I thought, oh well, that's interesting. They've rediscovered cheese sauce," he says. Dr. Drewnowski feels that we'll lose the veggie battle if we ask people to eat plain veggies for a health payoff 50 years down the road. "People are motivated by what they enjoy, so if you offer them raw spinach or chocolate cake, they'll take chocolate cake. But chocolate cake versus spinach cooked with butter and cheese -- now that's a contest!" Can you go overboard, getting too many calories and more fat than is healthy by making veggies as good as dessert? Dr. Drewnowski says no, as long as you make veggies the main focus of your meal. A big plate of veggies with olive oil and glazed carrots will still be lower in calories than a big cheeseburger and fries -- and far better for you.
Get the full story at: http://www.prevention.com/report/010301veggies/index.html (note this will probably not last forever) -Alex |
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09 Mar 01 - 05:03 PM (#414246) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: wysiwyg Good news, Alex. Hate to live in Squalor. ~S~ |
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09 Mar 01 - 05:05 PM (#414248) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: Bert Ah! Just as I suspected, one of my favourites is cauliflower, cooked until it is just tender and served with butter and salt. |
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09 Mar 01 - 05:14 PM (#414251) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: katlaughing Alex, thanks. Some of those look really good. I've copied and pasted them into my recipe file...now if I would only cook!**BG** |
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09 Mar 01 - 05:26 PM (#414261) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: Justa Picker I've always found that adding a teaspoon of sugar to the water prior to boiling frozen peas or corn, gives them a little sweeter taste (which negates the need to add salt/pepper) and a little lemon juice on cooked broccoli does the trick nicely. |
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09 Mar 01 - 05:29 PM (#414267) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: Sandy Paton Almost anything becomes edible when you add enough butter. Except okra. |
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09 Mar 01 - 05:43 PM (#414275) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: mousethief Okra is only edible if you don't know it's there -- like in gumbo. |
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09 Mar 01 - 05:44 PM (#414276) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: Bert Okra is marginally edible if deep fried. |
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09 Mar 01 - 06:46 PM (#414301) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: Joe Offer Aw, Susan beat me to the idea of mentioning Squalor.
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09 Mar 01 - 06:55 PM (#414306) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: catspaw49 Hey! Y'all are missin' out on Okra. Lots of good okra dishes and like any other veggie, its enhanced by combos with others......say mushroom and onion. Also great with zuchini an tomato. The trick is that alone, it always gets overcooked, so a nice quick fry in a bit of real butter and you're set! Spaw |
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09 Mar 01 - 06:57 PM (#414309) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: wysiwyg Joe, I'm sure you aren't referring to me. We use lots of vegetables at our house. Just now I am getting some celery ready. ~S~ |
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09 Mar 01 - 07:03 PM (#414314) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: Little Neophyte This is all fine and dandy as long as you have passed on the Big Mac. To eat broccoli under a comforter of high fat cheese as a side order instead of fries, is somewhat better but there is LOTS of room for improvement here. How about grilled chicken breast on a bun with a side order of lite cheese melt on broccoli. Now that sound a bit better. If people adjusted the portion of their plate so that vegetables become the main focus of their meal this would be a wonderful thing. Just remember your gastro-intestinal system needs time to adjust. Kind of like exercise but instead of toning and strengthening your muscles on the outside you are toning and strengthening your muscles on the inside. Bonnie RD |
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09 Mar 01 - 07:09 PM (#414317) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: catspaw49 Well Bonnie, I just finished a supper of a mixed chicken/oranges/broccoli/mushroom/cous-cous combo. How'd I do? Skip the "lite" cheese. Anybody who can eat that stuff has NO respect for cheese. I'd prefer to eat smaller quantities of great cheese than ANY lite cheese at all. Spaw |
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09 Mar 01 - 07:16 PM (#414323) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: Little Neophyte Oh you did very well Catspaw! How about broccoli sauted with onions, garlic and feta cheese melted on top. Does that sound better than the lite stuff? Little Bonita |
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09 Mar 01 - 07:24 PM (#414330) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: catspaw49 Anything goes with feta!!! And now that you're talking nutrition here BonAmi, awhile back, weren't you discussing the "quality" of the uh, "afterproduct?" I was wondering if THIS SITE might be helpful? Spaw |
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09 Mar 01 - 07:34 PM (#414334) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: Little Neophyte Catspaw, this is excellent! I am going to have T-shirts made up for all my clients and maybe even change my letterhead and logo. Seriously, could really use this chart, I just love it. Bonnie |
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09 Mar 01 - 07:39 PM (#414337) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: Amos Trust Spaw to come up with the ultimate FAR (Fecal Authoritative Reference); betcha he gets two points each for liquid and smell bad! A |
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09 Mar 01 - 08:23 PM (#414353) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: Naemanson There's a reason okra has that shape and it has nothing to do with eating or pleasure. |
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09 Mar 01 - 08:38 PM (#414354) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: flattop Wasn't okra on Spaw's turd chart? If it doesn't smell like a banana, melt a little on feta on it and give yourself 2 points. |
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09 Mar 01 - 08:57 PM (#414361) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: CarolC Ok, Naemanson, I give. What's the reason? |
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09 Mar 01 - 09:02 PM (#414363) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: Jeri ...so I've got my medical person saying "You need calcium! Eat cheese!" Then, "Don't eat cheese - it's loaded with cholesterol." I'm so confused - does calcium have more positives than cholesterol has negatives? (That imitation cheese-like product is NOT food.) I've always thought of okra as the plant kingdom's version of mucus. It's snot with seeds. I personally like that bitter taste. I love brussel sprouts, but the salty taste of butter accentuates the bitter. Bitter is better with butter. Jeri, who would probably be a lot less silly if I hadn't developed a hell of a migraine and taken some good drugs. |
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09 Mar 01 - 09:09 PM (#414373) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: Little Neophyte Jeri, best place to get your calcium is from deep green vegetables with the exception of spinach and collards. The absorption rate of calcium from deep green vegetables is a lot higher than from dairy products. Bon |
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09 Mar 01 - 09:10 PM (#414374) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: CarolC Oooohhh... good drugs... I'm sorry but I just don't accept the premise that shit isn't supposed to stink. Even amongst healty animals in the wild, who eat what nature has designed for them, shit stinks. |
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09 Mar 01 - 09:20 PM (#414381) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: flattop You could be touching on value judgements Carol. When I was young I had a friend who like skunk farts. Whenever he smelt one he would stand on the seat of my convertable and sniff the wind. |
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09 Mar 01 - 09:34 PM (#414388) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: CarolC You had a friend who could get close enough to a skunk to smell its farts flattop? How did he tell the difference between a fart and the skunk's natural fragrance? |
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09 Mar 01 - 09:35 PM (#414391) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: Jeri Flattop, I agree with you. People seem to be the only animals who find the smell of shit repulsive. Animals sniff it, and dogs smell each others butts. Hell some animals even eat it! To an animal, shit just smells like shit, not "Eewwww, gross!" I think people have to learn to think it's something disgusting - to a baby, it's finger paint - and I'm not sure all cultures treat it the same way. |
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09 Mar 01 - 09:38 PM (#414392) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: CarolC Jeri, maybe those drugs aren't so good for you after all... |
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09 Mar 01 - 09:50 PM (#414398) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: catspaw49 Everything that has a plus has a minus, so the key is balance and moderation (said the fatass after bypass surgery and now requiring a new mitral valve). But seriously, its true and cholesterol was never my problem (144 last check). The dark green leafy things are great unless you have a clotting problem like Karen or Connie, because they are high in vitamin K, which enhances the coagulant qualities in your blood. Everything is good and everything is bad.........just try to keep it all in some perspective. Except for flattop......You have actually smelled a skunk fart? How? I'd guess you smelled a dead skunk after his glands have burst. But if you HAVE smelled a skunk fart, pray, tell us how you did it! Spaw |
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09 Mar 01 - 09:56 PM (#414401) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: flattop So I'm going to be crucified on a technicality inspite of Jeri's wonderful digression? What is the correct name for skunk emissions? Whatever it is that's what I should have used the term. I take it that it is not technically a fart. My humble apologies to any self-respecting farting beasts out there in mudcatland. |
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09 Mar 01 - 09:57 PM (#414402) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: flattop Garbled that one. |
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09 Mar 01 - 10:00 PM (#414404) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: CarolC That's some good wine, eh flattop? |
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09 Mar 01 - 10:02 PM (#414405) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: catspaw49 Apology accepted. Spaw (Self Respecting Farting Beast In Mudcatland) |
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09 Mar 01 - 10:03 PM (#414407) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: flattop Sure. Now whose in for Jeri's butt sniffing idea. We could form a circle. Shouldn't offend anyone's belief, should it? |
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09 Mar 01 - 10:04 PM (#414409) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: flattop Make that 'who's' before the Orillia spelling police arrive on the scene. |
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09 Mar 01 - 10:06 PM (#414411) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: catspaw49 Go ahead and start without us flats........ Spaw |
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09 Mar 01 - 10:08 PM (#414414) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: CarolC Belief in what, flattop? |
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09 Mar 01 - 10:11 PM (#414417) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: flattop Ok, I missed the s on beliefs. I'd go to bed again if my laundry was dry. |
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09 Mar 01 - 10:13 PM (#414418) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: flattop Perhaps I should have put the apostrophe after the s in anyones'. Is Jeri the only one up to these games? You guys don't even want to finger paint? |
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09 Mar 01 - 10:14 PM (#414420) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: CarolC Ohh... low blow, flattop. |
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09 Mar 01 - 10:18 PM (#414423) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: catspaw49 Yes Carol, that could be true. Spaw |
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10 Mar 01 - 10:16 AM (#414602) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: Peg ahem, back to vegetable recipes... There is a great book called "Meals that Heal" which is part cookbook, but mostly fascinating book on nutraceuticals (nutritious compounds in foods) and how to get them in real food (as opposed to supplements). The author worked in a lab researching how to isolate these compounds then decided scientists often miss the point: that Mother nature packages these nutrients in a far better way than a laboratory, and adds a certain synergy (call it "life") that cannot be duplicted. One of my favorite ways to eat broccoli comes from the Moosewood cookbook; it is called "Broccoli and Friends": Saute finely chopped onion and broccoli with basil and thyme, salt and pepper, in butter. Add water to steam the broccoli along. Put the veggies on a slice of hearty sourdough or wholegrain bread (you can toast it lightly first if you want). Top with grated cheddar cheese (or cheese of your choice; goat cheese would probably be lovely, too). Broil until cheese bubbles. Eat with knife and fork. YUM! I like greens prepared the way my dad used to: steam them til just wilted, then top with butter, salt, pepper and a bit of red wine vinegar...or lemon juice. Fresh picked spinach, kale, beet greens, Swiss Chard, and dandelion greens are all fabulous this way. Oh, and does anyone want my Cream of Nettles Soup recipe?
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10 Mar 01 - 12:21 PM (#414685) Subject: Lyr Add: THE VEGETABLE SONG (Carl Martin) From: GUEST,Roll&Go-C We used to do this song for the annual food co-op benefit in Michigan, followed up with "Sweeny Todd" of course: THE VEGETABLE SONG (Words and music by Carl Martin © As sung by Steve Goodman on Somebody Else's Troubles) It was late last night, by the pale moonlight, All them vegetables gave a spree; They put out a sign, said "Dancin' at Nine" And all the admissions were free; There were peas and greens and cabbage and beans, It was the biggest crowd you ever did see; And when old cucumber, struck up that number, You should have heard them vegetables scream! Oh, little turnip top was doin' the backwards flop, The cabbage did the shimmy, she couldn't stop, The little red beet, shook it's feet, And the watermelon dived to the cockeyed beat; Little tomato, agitator, Shook the shimmy with the sweet potato, And old man garlic dropped dead of the colic, Down at the barnyard dance.
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10 Mar 01 - 03:45 PM (#414797) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: Naemanson You know, you wander away from the Mudcat at your own peril. I innocently posted my insult to okra and then didn't check this thread for a while. And while I was blissfully watching the @#*!!**@$# snow fall you guys were talking about snot with seeds, skunk farts, finger painting with fecal matter, migraine drugs, etc. In answer to Carol's question, I always thought the shape of okra indicated that it had been squeezed out of a tight sphincter and the texture indicated that the experience had not been pleasant. I like Jeri's description of snot with seeds though. Oh, and I have printed most of the recipes. I will be trying a few of them soon. |
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11 Mar 01 - 01:59 PM (#415288) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: kimmers Cheese and butter on my veggies? Woo hoo, at last a victory for common sense. I never trust nutrition mavens who are so busy raving about cancer-fighting compounds that they forget to mention the most important thing --What Does it Taste Like? Food should be pleasurable, not miserable. Vegetables should be treated with respect and love, and garnished with a little bit of whatever makes them taste wonderful. The French and the Italians have always known this, and the people of India are masters of making vegetables taste absolutely amazing. James Peterson has a cookbook called, simply, "Vegetables", that I recommend most highly. Too often, the veggie section in a cookbook stops at the basics of boiled carrots and overcooked cabbage. Peterson not only details each vegetable, he discusses the many cooking methods available. These are not necessarily vegetarian recipes -- he has a fondness for bacon and anchovies -- but all of the recipes treat the vegetable as the star of the dish. Yummy reading. As a side note: When parents complain to me that their kids won't eat vegetables, I like to ask them what kind of veggies they are serving the little nippers. Usually, the answer is "Plain boiled/steamed broccoli/carrots/green beans" or whatever. I then ask the parents if they sit down and eat the poor dead floppy veggies with their child. Very few will actually be able to honestly answer yes; the parents tend to skip the veggies or eat them as a salad or in a casserole. C'mon, how can we expect the kids to eat lima beans if we won't?? I tell parents to jazz up the cooked veggies with things such as butter/salt/olive oil/cheese, and to make sure they are setting a good example by eating the results themselves. Older kids past the choking stage do well with crunchy raw vegetables and tasty dips. Everyone benefits!! |
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11 Mar 01 - 02:26 PM (#415309) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: CarolC With due respects to any and all above posters, there is nothing that can be done with a lima bean to make it edible. The bad part is on the inside. Carol |
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12 Mar 01 - 11:57 AM (#415768) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: Kim C I have always eaten my vegetables. I love 'em. Very excited that the weather is turning nicer and now the produce at the grocery will be nicer too. Mixed green salads, here I come! (I used to grow produce when I had time.) I like a nice plate of mixed greens with some cherry tomatoes, green onions, sunflower seeds, maybe a little white tuna or grilled chicken, and Kraft Buttermilk Ranch Dressing. (not the Lite version, sorry) I buy those huge bags of frozen broccoli and steam it, with a little butter. Sometimes we have fresh asparagus out back and let me tell you, there is nothing like fresh asparagus steamed with some butter and lemon juice. Here's one thing I have never understood about some vegetables, though, and that is... they don't digest. How are they nutritionally beneficial if they don't digest? Bonnie, maybe you can enlighten us on this one? |
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12 Mar 01 - 12:13 PM (#415777) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: MMario try asparugus lightly sprinkled with a favorite vinagrette and then roasted in the oven until tender. (about 10 minutes when in a single layer) |
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12 Mar 01 - 02:06 PM (#415851) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: kimmers Well, I always suspected that about lima beans. I haven't tried any as an adult, I confess. As far as the, um, non-digesting of certain vegetables... (let's put that delicately, shall we? Or we have 'Spaw back in here discussing end-products again) that's basically the whole point of the high-fiber veggies. And it depends on to which degree the said veggie has been cooked and pulverized. If you sit down and eat a whole bag of raw carrots with the minimum of chewing, you're going to be seeing those carrots again later... This is another thing that freaks out many unsuspecting parents of toddlers, especially if they're having a touch of the trots to start with. Things tend to come out in the diaper looking pretty much like they did went they went down, as toddlers seem to view chewing as optional. Or, as one of my partners so succinctly put it the other day, "If the kid's got diarrhea and you feed him green beans, he's gonna poop green beans. If you feed him raisins, he's gonna poop grapes."
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12 Mar 01 - 02:10 PM (#415854) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: MMario eggplant with garlic and hot sauce -yummmmmmmmmmmm |
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12 Mar 01 - 02:18 PM (#415863) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: Hollowfox Aside from the fact that many vegetables are the perfect way to transport butter to the mouth... This is from a neat little book called "Eat the Grapes Downward" by Vernon Pizer (1983, Dodd, Mead & co. out of print, unfortunately): (in the early seventeenth century)"..a French chef had been excersizing his creative talents in a way that would bring fresh joy to sweets-lovers everywhere. What the chef was seeking to do was to induce young Prince Charles Phillipe de Conde' the king's grandnephiew, to eat a balanced diet instead of only the sweet things the boy insisted upon. The solution the resourceful chef settled on was to take the foods the child obstinately rejected and to disguise them within a concealing and enticing glaze of sugar, egg whites and nuts. With eyes only for the sweet coating the boy was in this way lured into eating the nourishing fillings along with the tasty glazings. Dishes prepared in this manner came to be called "candied" after young de Conde' for whom they had been created. When the public later developed a great fondness for the glazing, simply for its own sake, it became 'candy'." My unabridged dictionary doesn't back this up, but it's a good story. |
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12 Mar 01 - 02:22 PM (#415867) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: Bert Broccoli, broccoli, broccoli. The reason that many Americans don't like broccoli is because all they've ever seen is that hard green Calabrese broccoli. One day some kind Limey is going to send over some 'Purple Sprouting Broccoli' seeds and American eating habits will be forever improved. Bert. |
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12 Mar 01 - 02:59 PM (#415901) Subject: RE: BS: Eat your vegetables -- deliciously! From: CarolC MMario, stop talking like that... I'm going all wobbly... |
