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28 Mar 01 - 04:09 AM (#427326) Subject: May Song From: GUEST,nancy The great lines thread made me think of a song I've been trying to find for years, the last verse of which is The life of man is but a span, it flourish like the flower He's here today, has not long to stay, and is gone in an hour. It's in a drone-y sort of myxolidian mode...would love to have words and guitar chords if anybody knows it. Thanks very much... nancy |
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28 Mar 01 - 08:51 AM (#427419) Subject: RE: May Song From: Wolfgang MAY SONG as sung by Martin Carthy on Because It's There. We have been rambling all of the night the best part of this day and we are returning here back again and we've brought you a garland gay A bunch of may we bear about before the door it stands It is but a sprout and it's unbudded out and it's the work of God's own men Oh wake up you wake up pretty maid to take the may bush in for it will be gone and tomorrow morn and you will have none within The heavenly gates are open wide to let escape the dew it makes no delay it is here today and it falls on me and you For the life of a man is but a span he's cut down like the flower he makes no delay he is here today and he's vanished all in an hour And when you are dead and you're in your grave you're covered in the cold cold clay the worms they will eat your flesh good man and your bones they will waste away My song is done and I must be gone I can no longer stay God bless us both great and small and wish us a gladsome May copied from Garry Gillard's Watersons/Carthy pages by Wolfgang |
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28 Mar 01 - 10:05 AM (#427472) Subject: RE: May Song From: LR Mole April, Come She Will |
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28 Mar 01 - 01:26 PM (#427708) Subject: RE: May Song From: GUEST,nancy Hi Wolfgang... thanks so much for this full text....all the verses sound familiar to me but the first...I heard it years ago sung by Cynthia Gooding....for a may song it is surprisingly mournful! You wouldn't happen to know what key? Pushy, asking, I know....Thx again....nancy
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28 Mar 01 - 01:36 PM (#427716) Subject: RE: May Song From: Wolfgang We are used here to questions (and have many ourselves), Nancy, no need to worry. Sorry, but I can't help you with the key. Wolfgang |
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28 Mar 01 - 02:36 PM (#427749) Subject: RE: May Song From: Malcolm Douglas |
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28 Mar 01 - 02:40 PM (#427759) Subject: RE: May Song From: Malcolm Douglas Whoops. I was going to say that Martin Carthy actually learned this one from a Cynthia Gooding record; does anybody know offhand where she got this particular set? There have been a lot of traditional versions found in England over the years, some of which have been posted here in the past (Swinton May Songs, for example). Malcolm |
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28 Mar 01 - 03:33 PM (#427797) Subject: RE: May Song From: GUEST,Nancy Just got through searching 20-some pages of Google but could not find anything pertaining to recent re-releases of Gooding's....does anybody know if any of her albums ever made it onto CD? I have a vague recollection that she made an album in the early 50's wi/Brit. folk songs on one side and Songs of the Auvergne on the other....I have recordings of the latter, but remember her's as superior (altho shorter). Also, by my reckoning Gooding must be about 76, if she is still alive....does anybody know anything about her in recent times? Nancy |
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28 Mar 01 - 03:36 PM (#427802) Subject: RE: May Song From: Malcolm Douglas I found a limited discography: Faithful Lovers and Other Phenomena Languages of Love Mexican Folk Songs Queen of Hearts The Best of Cynthia Gooding Early English Folk Songs Mostly on Elektra, I think; none reissued so far as I can tell. Malcolm |
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28 Mar 01 - 03:38 PM (#427806) Subject: RE: May Song From: GUEST,Nancy Thanks Malcolm....and sorry about the multiple posts (have you GOT it yet????)...don't know what happened...I got an error msg so posted again....hmmmmmm nancy I deleted the duplicates. Often when you get the error message, your post still has gone through. You can refresh the thread to make sure. --JoeClone |
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29 Mar 01 - 12:40 PM (#428505) Subject: RE: May Song From: GUEST,JohnB The words above are pretty much the same as what I know as the "Bedford May Carol" at least for the first threee verses. My fourth verse goes Arise arise my fair pretty maid out of your dozy dream and go down to your dairy house and fetch us a dish of cream If not a dish of your fresh cream a jug of your brown beer and if we return for to tarry in your town we'll call on you next year. The final verse is then similar. It could be that the miserable verses came from a different song. I don't know what the tune is like for the Martin Carthy version as I have never heard it. JohnB |
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29 Mar 01 - 01:14 PM (#428542) Subject: RE: May Song From: GUEST,Bruce O. Probably inspired by Shakespeare, or Tichbourne's Elegie. For similar ones of the 17th century see ZN220, ZN271 in the broadside ballad index at www.erols.com/olsonw |
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29 Mar 01 - 02:30 PM (#428598) Subject: RE: May Song From: GUEST,Bruce O. [Made by Chidiock Tichborne the night before he was executed, 1586. These lines and others of his poem pop up often in songs of the following centuries. For the rest, see Scarce Songs 2 on my website.] The glass is full, and yet my glass is run;
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29 Mar 01 - 03:34 PM (#428649) Subject: RE: May Song From: GUEST,Nancy "Arise arise my fair pretty maid out of your dozy dream" What a great line....I'll include those verses whether or NOT they belong.... The tune is quite liturgical...works best in the Dorian mode on a dulcimer but as I play completely by ear I can't transpose to the guitar....a sort of Em, D, Am chord set is the best I can come up with...I have some recollection that this might have come from the Oxford book of carols...despite its vernal setting... Thanks for the verses....nancy |
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29 Mar 01 - 03:59 PM (#428673) Subject: RE: May Song From: Snuffy Carols aren't just for Christmas - Good King Wenceslas was set to the tune of the much older Flower Carol, which was a vernal carol. |
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29 Mar 01 - 04:17 PM (#428688) Subject: RE: May Song From: gnu My brother, a song writer of not, composed a short ode to May as follows.... Hooray, hooray; It's the first of May; Outside ****ing begins today. Not sure of the key because he can't sing, either. gnu |
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29 Mar 01 - 04:45 PM (#428707) Subject: RE: May Song From: GUEST,Bruce O. See "the Birds Noats on May Day last" on my website. The birds told what they saw young lovers do. |
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29 Mar 01 - 07:32 PM (#428837) Subject: RE: May Song From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie) Cynthia Gooding has been dead for many years- ten or so, alas. She was a good friend and a lovely person, but I did not know she had ever recorded the May Day Carol. Jean |
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30 Mar 01 - 01:51 AM (#429012) Subject: RE: May Song From: roopoo I have a version called "The Moon Shines Bright" on a Ramsbottom album with the following notes: "Collected in Sussex by Lucy F. Broadwood from the Gypsy family Groby. This is one of numerous versions of the carol, sung with suitable adaptations at Christmas or Easter. We use it at the end of our Father Christmas guising play." I can't do the HTML thing cos I am thick, so here are the words: O the moon shines bright and the stars give a light/ O a little before the day/ Our Lord, our God, He calls upon us all/ and bids us awake and pray. Awake, awake, good people all/ and listen, and you shall hear/ Our blessed Saviour died upon the cross/ saying Christ loved us so dear. So dear, so dear Christ loveth us/ that for our sins was slain/ We'll all leave off our wicked, wicked ways/ and turn to the Lord again. O the life of a man it is but a span/ he flourishes like a flower./ He is here today, then tomorrow he is gone/ and he's dead all in an hour. O teach tour children well, good man/ as long as ere you may/ for it might be better for your sweet soul/ when your body lies under the clay. There's a green turf at your head, good man/ and another at your feet./ God bless you all, both great and small/ and I hope you a happy New Year. This is, in fact another version of the Bellman's song which is to be found in the Oxford Book of Carols, along with the tune the above version is sung to. (Collected by Lucy Broadwood in 1894). There are 2 other tunes also given. Andrea
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30 Mar 01 - 02:05 AM (#429018) Subject: RE: May Song From: GUEST,Bruce O. For another traditional version of the Bellman's song see ZN360 in the broadside ballad index on my website. Listed there also are versions from the early 17th century. |
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30 Mar 01 - 05:17 AM (#429064) Subject: RE: May Song From: GUEST,nancy Dear Jean... thanks for the information about Cynthia Gooding...very sorry to hear she is no longer with us. The May Day Carol was on her Queen of Hearts album, as i recall and her voice was perfect for it. nancy |
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30 Mar 01 - 03:13 PM (#429461) Subject: RE: May Song From: GUEST,Bruce O. Carthy's version above appears to be a selection of verses (with some tinkering) of "May-Day Carol" (Essex), collected by J. A. Fuller-Maitland and "The Moon shines Bright" (Hertfordshire), collected by Lucy Broadwood, both published in their joint book, 'English County Songs', 1893. See also ZN935| for another 'Bell-man' song in the broadside ballad index on my website.
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30 Mar 01 - 10:02 PM (#429737) Subject: RE: May Song From: raredance This version of "The Moon Shines Bright" was collected in 1910 by Cecil Sharp. For those interested "English Traditional Songs and Carols" by Lucy Broadwood (1908)was reprinted by EP Publishing in 1974. The reprint may be easier to find. It contains "The Moon Shines Bright" with a piano score by Ms Broadwood.
The moon shines bright and the stars give light rich r |
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31 Mar 01 - 01:48 AM (#429826) Subject: RE: May Song From: GUEST,nancy To mouldy and rich r Thanks for these verses...I must say the doleful melody I know fits with these words better than the version I first heard.... I like the less religious verses better but actually it was the tune (always a sucker for a minor key!) that really got me... Nancy |
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31 Mar 01 - 11:21 PM (#430352) Subject: RE: May Song From: GUEST,Bruce O. The tune for the broadside "Bellman" text was "O man in desperation", which was popular from 1585 to nearly 1600. See "Jerusalem, my happie home", 1587, in the Scarce Songs 1 file on my website for that song and some possible tunes for it. There's nothing to suggest that 19th and 20th century tunes for it are of any great antiquity. [Extracts of it are still in some current hymnals] |
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06 Apr 01 - 11:41 PM (#435044) Subject: RE: May Song From: Malcolm Douglas I've made midis of the two sourced versions given in this thread:
(1) The Moon Shines Bright Noted by Lucy Broadwood from the Goby family of Sussex/Surrey.
(1) The Moon Shines Bright Noted by Cecil Sharp from Mrs. Prudence Handy of Ilmington, Warwickshire, in 1910. You'll notice that this tune is very close to the one recorded by Martin Carthy, as he remembered it from Cynthia Gooding's recording; allowing for normal changes consequent on that kind of transmission, this could very well be the source of both.
Both midis will go to the Mudcat Midi Pages: until they appear there, the midis may be heard via the South Riding Folk Network website. |