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21 Apr 01 - 02:29 PM (#446173) Subject: BELFAST STREET SONGS From: Fiddlin' Sid A mate of mine is doing some work on Belfast street songs. Any suggestions? Songs? reference points? |
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21 Apr 01 - 07:27 PM (#446311) Subject: RE: BELFAST STREET SONGS From: Scuttlebutt What about Molly Malone ? Jan L |
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21 Apr 01 - 08:05 PM (#446329) Subject: RE: BELFAST STREET SONGS From: GUEST Actually Molly Malone is set in Dublin. You could try "I'll tell me Ma" or "My Aunt Jane" which has the same melody. "My Lagan Love." I'll try to come up with some more later when I have a bit more time. Den |
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21 Apr 01 - 08:09 PM (#446330) Subject: Lyr/Chords Add: I'LL TELL MY MA^^^, BELFAST^^ From: GUEST,Billy J I'll tell me ma I'll Tell Me Ma Chorus G C G D G I'll tell me Ma when I get home , the boys won't leave the girls alone, G C G D G They pull my hair, they stole my comb but that's all right till I get home. G C G D She is handsome, she is pretty, she is the belle of Belfast City, G C G D G She is a courting, one two three, Please won't you tell me who is she G C G D G Albert Mooney says he loves her, all the boys are fighting for her, G C G D G They rap at the door and they ring at the bell saying 'Oh my true love are you well' G C G D G Out she comes as white as snow, rings on her fingers, bells on her toes, G C G D G Old Johnny Murray says she'll die if she doesn't get the fellow with the roving eye. Chorus G C G Let the wind and the rain and the hail blow high, D G And the snow come travelling from the sky G C G D G She's as nice as apple pie and she'll get her own lad by and by. G C G D G When she gets a lad of her own, she won't tell her Ma when she gets home, G C G D G Let them all come as they will, but it's Albert Mooney she loves still. Chorus....................... Belfast Belfast Barnbrack G Dm G F C G etc G Dm G F C G Of all the places I have been, there's only one that fills my dreams, G Dm G F D The place that lingers in my mind, is the town I've left behind. G C I've been away now for too many years, D G D I've read all the papers, they've told of your tears. G C Though I've left you, with a heart that's been torn, D G D I'm coming home now, to the place I was born Chorus G- Em C- Am D- D7 G D That's Belfast, you call to me, when I am far away, I think of thee G - Em C - Am Your Black Mountain, Cave Hill, City Hall, D - D7 G D Shaw's Bridge, River Lagan, I'm going home to them all G C I'll meet friends and relations,each one I'll embrace, D G D We'll pass round the pictures, which time can't erase. G C And it won't be long now, till I see them all, D G D And I'll walk round the old streets and good times I'll recall Chorus G - Em C - Am D - D7 G D In Belfast, you call to me, when I am far away, I think of thee. G - Em C - Am Your Black Mountain, Cave Hill , City Hall, D - D7 G D Shaw's Bridge , River Lagan, I'm going home to them all.. G - Em C - Am D - D7 G I'm going home to them all |
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21 Apr 01 - 08:10 PM (#446331) Subject: RE: BELFAST STREET SONGS From: toadfrog I'd be very curious about what you come up with. "Black Velved Band" is set in Belfast-I'm sure you already know that. Is it a street song? |
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22 Apr 01 - 02:32 AM (#446470) Subject: RE: BELFAST STREET SONGS From: alison there have been threads in the past... children's songs, street songs.. try doing a search forthem... I do have a great book.... called "keep the kettle boiling- rhymes from a Belfast childhood" by Maggi Kerr Pierce, published by Appletree Press, 1983. ISBN 0-86281-116-3 see if you can get a hold of a copy.... but yes.... "I'll tell me ma", and "My Aunt Jane" are definately Belfast.
other ones that springs to mind are "Wee Willie's lost his marley" slainte alison |
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22 Apr 01 - 02:41 AM (#446474) Subject: RE: BELFAST STREET SONGS From: alison couldn't find the jump rope thread... maybe someone else remembers the title of it have fun slainte alison |
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22 Apr 01 - 04:42 AM (#446508) Subject: Jumprope Archive ? From: Joe Offer Alison, were you looking for the Jumprope Hypertext Archive? -Joe Offer- |
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22 Apr 01 - 04:59 AM (#446513) Subject: RE: BELFAST STREET SONGS From: GUEST,Mike Ireland Hi Dom, There is a CD of Belfast Street songs. I listened to it last year. I'll see If I can find the name, singer, title etc. Mike |
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22 Apr 01 - 07:22 AM (#446531) Subject: RE: BELFAST STREET SONGS From: Fiddlin' Sid Thanks everyone! |
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22 Apr 01 - 08:48 AM (#446558) Subject: RE: BELFAST STREET SONGS From: MARINER Dominic Behan and I think, Ewan McColl recorded an album back in the sixties of Belfast street songs called, once again if my memory hasn't deserted me,"Streets Of Song". I think it may have been on some of the "real" folk labels, like Transatlantic. |
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22 Apr 01 - 03:41 PM (#446744) Subject: RE: BELFAST STREET SONGS From: GUEST,Philippa Look for recorded and printed works of Davy Hammond and Maurice Leyden ("Belfast, City of Song"). also the McPeake family. and there's a book about the mill workers and their songs, Betty Messenger: "Picking Up the Linen Threads" |
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22 Apr 01 - 03:49 PM (#446753) Subject: RE: BELFAST STREET SONGS From: MARINER Oh yeah, almost forgot, The Glenfolk Four recorded some of that type of stuff.Back in the 60s as well, perhaps they're on C.D. by now. |
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22 Apr 01 - 06:58 PM (#446906) Subject: RE: BELFAST STREET SONGS From: Jimmy C David Hammond has the following on his album " Belfast Street Songs", not all are Belfast born, some are from Scotland and England but all were popular in Belfast. I list them here along with the liner notes.
Gallant Forty Twa - The song of an old Belfast itinerant. The regiment referred to is the Scottish Black Watch.
Green Gravel, Green Gravel - A child's rationalization of a death and burial scene with equivalents throughout the British Isles. Green Gravel is the subsoil thrown up by the grave diggers. Johnny Todd - A simple song describing a sailor's problems when beset by his wife's infedelity. Known in Belfast as well as Liverpool.
All Round the Loney-o - A local version of a classical ballad "the Cruel Mother"
Fan-A-Winnow - A song from the linen industry - a spinner avows her love for Barney, the band tier. Set basically to the melody of a hymn common in the 19th century.
You might easy know a doffer - When specialization developed after the linen industry had evolved from a domestic environment, rivalry erupted among the various trades. Here is a "Rover's" derisive direction about how to recognize a "doffer".
Roddy McCorley - A comparatively modern commemoration of one of the ordinary people hanged for their part in the 1798 rebellion.
I am The Wee Falorie-man - The song of a braggart travelling man. Belfast version of a song that is known to children throughout the British Isles.
The May Queen -A relic of the pastoral tradition associated with May Day in Ireland. It is still sung through the streets of Belfast by bands of children during the month of May.
Early Early in the Spring - Irish Variant of a well known English song collected by Cecil Sharpe under the generic title " I died for Love"
King billy Was A Gentleman - A song which records children's delight in the revered memory of William, Prince of orange, later King William III, who is regarded by a large section of Ulstermen as being the greatest king in history.
The Doffin Mistress - A traditional Doffer's farewell to an overseer. This song was sung by girls as they swung through the cobbled streets in great lines, arms linked and shawls thrown back. They vow love and loyalty to their old boss, and threaten the "upstart" who has succeeded her with their contempt.
The Belfast Mountain - The song commerates the memory of Henry Joy McCracken, leader of the United Irishmen in Ulster during the 1798 rebellion. The tune is a variant of the pervasive " Banks of Claudy".
The South Down Militia - A fulsome. boastful, military song exalting the fine qualities of a famous Irish Regiment, the South Dowmn Militia, eventually known as the Royal Ulster Rifles.
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22 Apr 01 - 08:21 PM (#446950) Subject: RE: BELFAST STREET SONGS From: Seamus Kennedy Songs of Belfast, a book edited by David Hammond - published 1978 by Gilbert Dalton, 25 Shenick Rd. Skerries, Co Dublin, Ireland. Irish Street Ballads (contains some Belfast Songs) collected by Colm O Lochlainn - published 1978 by Pan Books, Cavaye Place, London SW10 9FG. Maggi Peirce, Yellow Moon Press, PO Box 1316, Cambridge,MA 02238. I have a great wee tape of Belfast Children's street songs and games, but there's no address on it. It was reacorded by the teachers and kids of St. Mary's Primary School in Belfast. I'll send you a dub of it. if you PM me here. All the best. Seamus |
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23 Apr 01 - 01:21 AM (#447113) Subject: RE: BELFAST STREET SONGS From: paddymac "William Bloat" is a Belfast street song, allegedly popular with kids. Rather a nasty solution to domestic strife, but kids see such things with different eyes. |
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23 Apr 01 - 06:02 AM (#447164) Subject: RE: BELFAST STREET SONGS From: Big Tim Try also the CD "Welcome to Northern Ireland" (Various artists) on Outlet Records, a bit tweeish but also some decent songs included. |
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23 Apr 01 - 03:44 PM (#447535) Subject: RE: BELFAST STREET SONGS From: GUEST,Reiver 2 I have a casette tape by David Hammond and Judy Mayhan, that includes a lot of Belfast street songs including "Green Gravel", "The Doffin Mistress", and others. It also includes songs that are not really "street songs", such as "The Gallant Forty-Twa" and "Will Ye Go, Lassie, Go" (at least I don't think these would be regarded as "street songs.") Incidently, what is the accurate definition of a "street song? In my mind they've been songs sung primarily by children. Is this correct? When Reiver 1 and I were actively singing we put together three of the songs on this casette and sang them as a "Belfast Street Songs" medley: "The Wee Falorie Man", "Fan-a-Winnow" and "Johnny Todd" -- they worked well together. We also did a medley of "Glasgow Street Songs" that I think we learned from a Corries record. It included "There Is A Happy Land" (that's the first line... don't know what the actual name is), "Ye Cannae Shove Your Grannie Off a Bus" and one called "Oh Then, Oh Then" or "The World Must Be Comin' Tae an End." I can provide words for most of the songs I've mentioned here, if you can't find them elsewhere. |
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22 Nov 02 - 11:56 PM (#833215) Subject: RE: BELFAST STREET SONGS From: GUEST I first saw this song mentioned in the Little House on the Prarie Books--it was one of the songs Pa would play on his fiddle for Ma and the Ingalls girls. I've played it at church services, especially memorial services for children that have died, and its simplicity and hopefulness always draws a positive response |
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26 Sep 09 - 12:00 AM (#2731580) Subject: RE: BELFAST STREET SONGS From: GUEST,Tony I taught with Brendan Colgan in Hastings Street PS in the early 70's and he had an album and a documentary producd by local TV...have a look |
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01 Oct 09 - 06:30 AM (#2735696) Subject: RE: Belfast Street Songs From: GUEST,Eugene We sing this to our grandaughter An old Belfast skipping song W starting singing it in Belkfast one night and everyone knew it On the hillside stands a lady who she is I do not know Allshe wants is gold and silver All she wants is a nice young man Lady lady tip the ground Lady Lady turn around Lady lady show your shoe Lady lady run right through |
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01 Oct 09 - 07:17 AM (#2735719) Subject: RE: Belfast Street Songs From: Owen Woodson FS. When you say street songs, are you talking about children's rhymes, games etc., or Belfast broadside songs? If the former, probably the best starting point is Songs and Sayings of an Ulster Childhood, by Alice Kane, edited by Edith Fowke. Wolfhound. 1983. 0 86327 005 0. AK was born in Belfast bt emigrated to Canada aged 13. Hence the Edith Fowke connection. Also, Picking Up The Linen Threads by Betty Messenger. Blackstaff. 1980. ISBN 0 85640 210 9. This is about the folklore of the Northern Ireland linen industry, but I'd be surprised if there are no street rhymes in there. There are some children's songs in Belfast, City of Song; Maurice Leyden, ed. Brandon. 1983. ISBN 0 86322 110 6. Plus there's plenty of songs that would have been sung by adult street singers. Finally, there's All In, All In by Eilís Brady. Comhairle Bhéaloideas Éireann. 1984. ISBN 0 901120 85 5. As far as I rememebr, this entirely comprises street games and rhymes of Dublin children. But I'll bet there's a lot of material in there which overlaps with Belfast. The MacColl, Behan disc, which someone mentioned, is of Dublin and Salford children's songs, not Belfast. |
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12 Nov 09 - 10:35 AM (#2764780) Subject: RE: Belfast Street Songs From: GUEST,AMQ When I sang the skipping song 'On the hillside' in Belfast as a child, in the early sixties, the lyrics were slightly different to those you've recorded here: On the hillside, stands a lady Who she is I do not know, All she wants is gold and silver All she wants is a nice young beau. Lady, Lady, touch the ground, Lady, Lady, give a birl round, Lady, Lady, show your shoe, Lady, Lady, run right through. It suddenly came back to me as I was reading a novel set in Canada, where the word 'birling' was used to describe rolling logs down a river! |
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13 Nov 09 - 04:32 AM (#2765272) Subject: RE: Belfast Street Songs From: Young Buchan Tom Brown's wife Bertha was a child in Belfast. She also used to sing this. I can't prove the two facts are connected since I never heard her do an explanatory introduction to it. But see what you think. Mary went to a teaparty (x3) And she came home with a big belly. What will my mother say to me When she sees the lump where the dent should be. Tell your ma to hold her tongue 'Cos she was the same when she was young. What will my father say to me When he sees the lump where the dent should be. Tell your pa to go to hell 'Cos the widow next door's up the spout as well. The moral of this story is Keep your knickers on at teaparties. |
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13 Nov 09 - 12:28 PM (#2765367) Subject: ADD: Mickey Marley's Roundabout From: GUEST,Shaneo not logged in Mickey Marley is the title of this Seamus Robinson song. Alas Seamus passed away 14 September 2009. Songs Of Seamus Robinson
MICKEY MARLEY’S ROUNDABOUT Seamus Robinson © 1976 Mickey Marley had a wee horse – Kept it at the back of the house of course. It wouldn't eat grass and it wouldn't eat hay But it would eat sugar lumps all the day. Mickey got some wood and wheels for a start And then he sat down and made a wee cart. He hammered and he hammered and he footered about Until he'd built a Roundabout. ( chorus ) Round and round and up and down, Through the streets of Belfast town All the children laugh and shout, Here comes Mickey's Roundabout. Mickey goes from street to street A penny a time and take your seat. A hobby-horse or a motor car Just jump on and hold the bar. The children's faces shine with glee That's what Mickey loves to see. If you haven't got a penny and your Ma's gone out You'll still get on his Roundabout ( repeat chorus ) Then alas to his dismay The Roundabout was burnt one day. Mickey lost everything he had And all the children were so sad. But Mickey's friends all gathered 'round From every part of Belfast town. They hammered and they hammered and they footered about And built him a brand new Roundabout. ( repeat chorus twice ) |
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09 Aug 10 - 07:18 PM (#2961537) Subject: RE: Belfast Street Songs From: GUEST,Guest; Linda Hall When I was a child in Tunbridge Wells in Kent we used to sing a skipping song which started "green gravels, green gravels, your sweetheart is dead". It was sung in the playground of St Mark's C of E Primary School in about 1960-3. We had a long rope with someone at either end turning it and one person skipping. As far as I can remember it went like this: Green gravels, green gravels, Your sweetheart is dead, He sent you a letter Wrapped up in brown paper [?] Turn your back you saucy cat [person skipping turns round to face the other way] And say no more to me, I know a boy, He's double-jointed, He kissed you And made you disappointed. All right [insert girl's name] I'll tell your mother For kissing [insert boy's name] Down in the cellar, How many kisses did he give you? [Rope is now turned very fast with everyone counting each successful jump until the person skipping either catches the rope or elects to leave the game.] Can this be connected to the Belfast song I wonder? |
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18 Aug 12 - 04:38 PM (#3391943) Subject: RE: Belfast Street Songs From: GUEST margaret mck Does anyone know the words to ROUND GOES THE BUN THE MERRY OLD BUN ROUND GOES THE BUN ONCE MORE and STAND UP STRAIGHT UPON YOUR FEET AND CHOOSE THE ONE YOU LOVE SO SWEET NOW WE'RE MARRIED LIFE AND JOY FIRST A GIRL AND THEN A BOY SEVEN YEARS MARRIED SEVEN YEARS AGO .................... |