01 May 01 - 12:58 AM (#452657) Subject: Need a song about war/soldier/pacifism From: GUEST,Joe Balducci Hi, I am working on a documentary about Pvt. Eddie Slovik, who was executed by the US Amry for desertion in WWII. I am looking for a song that would work well in my documentary. Idealy it would be something about not wanting to go to war, death in war, soliders who dislike war, about not wanting to fire a gun.... etc. Any help would be most appreciated!! Thanks! Joe |
01 May 01 - 01:23 AM (#452664) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: GUEST,Joe Cool Joe: I don't know if is helpfull or not but John Prine(folk singer/song writer) wrote a couple about the Vietnam war. A song called "SAm Stone" and one closer to what you want called "The great compromise". I hope that will be helpfull, give it a listen and let me know if that is what you want............J.C. |
01 May 01 - 05:03 AM (#452703) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: nutty Mick Ryan wrote a wonderful song called "The man that I did kill" which I think is recorded in the production of "All in a days work" The chorus goes:- In another place at another time I'd drink his health in a glass of wine I'd shake the hand and think no ill Of the man that I did kill I can transcribe it for you if you think it would be suitable but it will take a few days |
01 May 01 - 05:14 AM (#452708) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: Lyndi-loo The Corries have a song about WWI called (I think) the Flowers of the Forest or possibly, Willie McBride What about the Classic "Where have all the flowers gone?" |
01 May 01 - 05:44 AM (#452712) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: Stewie It might not be quite what you want, but it might be worth considering: --Stewie. |
01 May 01 - 06:06 AM (#452721) Subject: Lyr Add: THE MAN I KILLED (Mick Ryan) From: Orac "The Man I killed" by Mick Ryan is in my opinion the best anti war song ever written. Its also the only song I know where the "chorus" is in the middle of the verse. It goes through all the ages of warfare. It takes a lot of learning, but its well worth it. It is available on a CD called "The Widow's promise" with Pete Harris. (See DT for that song where it is erroneously called "The devil versus the widow" with a few errors in the lyrics). Both Mick and Pete will be at our folk club in November. (Brewtown Folk Club, Burton on Trent) THE MAN I KILLED (Mick Ryan)
My enemy I first did see with the dawn all in his eye
My enemy I then did see with a musket in his hand
My enemy I then did see in a world of shell and fire
My enemy I could not see with his children in his arms
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01 May 01 - 06:20 AM (#452726) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: Wolfgang Thanks for posting that great song, Orac. Wolfgang |
01 May 01 - 06:32 AM (#452728) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: Orac Glad to... it took me an age to learn it. Fortunately I already had it typed out as someone aked me for the lyrics a while back after hearing me do it. |
01 May 01 - 06:32 AM (#452729) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: Susan of DT If you want to wade thru a LOT of songs for ones appropriate to what you are doing, put @war in the blue search box up top, which yields 460 songs. I knew we had a lot of them, but even i was surprised at how many there are. |
01 May 01 - 07:48 AM (#452747) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: Dani First song that popped into my head was Pete Seeger's "Big Muddy". I've never heard him (or anyone) sing it, but the words are terrific. It didn't come up under @VIETNAM, I found it under 'B', but the link went to "Tennessee Stud". I'll report this to the proper authorities, but will keep trying to get to it, because it's great. Dani |
01 May 01 - 10:06 AM (#452830) Subject: Lyr Add: BRING THE YOUNG MEN HOME (D. C. Couch) From: Deni Here's a W.W.II song about a soldier who disliked war:
BRING THE YOUNG MEN HOME Bring the young men home; bring the young men back again.
I was saying goodbye at the station Bring the young men home; bring the young men back again.
I was lying alone in my bed Bring the young men home; bring the young men back again.
I was listening to an old man Bring the young men home; bring the young men back again.
They brought my young man home that winter,
Still he sees them, in thousands, Copyright 2000 D. C. Couch HTML line breaks added, and changed from all caps. --JoeClone, 22-Feb-03. |
01 May 01 - 10:07 AM (#452831) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: A Wandering Minstrel Joe "Masters of War" (Martin Simpson does a great version) put the blame where it really lies.... |
01 May 01 - 10:08 AM (#452833) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: Deni Please does anyone know how I can stop the lines of a song all becoming jumbled up when I submit the message. I spent ages typing that song up into lines. AARRGGHH. |
01 May 01 - 10:16 AM (#452842) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: Wolfgang Deni, Wolfgang |
01 May 01 - 10:37 AM (#452858) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: Trapper Here's the blue clicky for Eric Bogle's song "No Man's Land", referred to above as "Flowers of the Forest" or "Willie McBride". - Al |
01 May 01 - 11:04 AM (#452878) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: Gary T Check out Good Christian Soldier, written by Bobby Bare and Billy Joe Shaver, recorded by Kris Kristofferson on his album "The Silver Tongued Devil and I." |
01 May 01 - 11:28 AM (#452911) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: GUEST,Joe Thanks for the help... also I wonder if there are any songs specifically about executions.... |
01 May 01 - 11:34 AM (#452921) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: GUEST,Jaine Boiled in Lead's surreal "Army (Dream Song)" is a hallucinatory piece with a good beat. "In my dream, I'm suddenly in the army, and the army life is good, but I'm ankle-deep in blood. I went to see the quartermaster and the quartermaster said, 'Your socks are awful read.'... I said, 'Sergeant, I am hurting, I'm considering deserting.' He said, 'Do whatever is in your conscience,' so I tried to make a run, but I was stapled to the gun." It's not as literal as a lot of make-love-not-war pieces, but it might be useful since it's not as widely used. --Jaine |
01 May 01 - 11:40 AM (#452929) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: Wolfgang an execution song: Zu Strassburg auf der Schanz (Engl. transl. at the link) Wolfgang |
01 May 01 - 12:14 PM (#452958) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: LR Mole Not really what you want, but John Stuart's "Me and Jim" is an extraordinary song on the subject. On "The Phoenix Concerts" If "Me and Jim" is what the song is called. If "Stuart" is how he spells his name. The Kingston Trio-Monkees-Fleetwood Mac guy. Can't remember who wrote it, but "Some Fool Made a Soldier of Me", covered by the Kingston Trio, is good. |
01 May 01 - 12:18 PM (#452963) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: Dani Well, I learned more ins and outs of our wonderful DT today! When you go to alpha listing, then click on titles, it takes you do lots of songs with that phrase: "Big Muddy" was among them. So keep looking! There's treasure in them thar hills, if'n you only know the right searches! Dani |
01 May 01 - 02:05 PM (#453072) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: The Walrus at work A suggestion for an end piece for the documentary (either as text or a voice over) I could not look on Death,This being known, Men led me to him, blindfold and alone. (Rudyard Kipling) from "Epitaphs of the Great War" Good Luck. Walrus |
02 May 01 - 12:23 AM (#453518) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: GUEST,Pete M at work Whilst we are talking about Kipling you can't really go past "Danny Dever" for a song / poem about military execution. Pete M |
02 May 01 - 12:46 AM (#453530) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: GUEST,Pete M at work Hi again Joe, I don't know the details of Pvt Slovik's case, but I assume from the fact that you are preparing a documnetary about it that there is a good reason to believe that he was suffering from "shell shock", mental breakdown, call it what you will. I don't want to seem to be trying and teach you to suck eggs, but you may like to consider a Sassoon poem as well, "Dawn attack" with the line "Sweet Jesus make it stop" would seem to be appropriate to the mood of your subject. Pete M |
02 May 01 - 04:22 AM (#453615) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: Lady McMoo Just a couple more suggestions: "Christmas in the trenches": John McCutcheon "Just like John Barleycorn": Pete Morton Dick Gaughan does a powerful version of the "Big Muddy" which is another excellent one. mcmoo |
02 May 01 - 04:32 AM (#453625) Subject: Lyr Add: I'M ASKING YOU, SERGEANT, WHERE'S MINE? From: Scabby Douglas This is Billy Connolly's song abouit Northern Ireland: I'M ASKING YOU SERGEANT WHERE'S MINE
I'm lyin' in bed, I'm in room twenty-six
These hospital wards they're all drab lookin' joints
I've a brother in Glasgow wi' long, curly hair
But I can put up wi' most things I've done in the time
(Chorus)
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02 May 01 - 08:59 AM (#453746) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: pattyClink Big Muddy, The Band Played Waltzing Matilda, Banks of Sicily, The D-Day Dodgers are war songs that come to mind. It might help if you suggested mood, do you want something sad, profound, uppity, smart-alecky? |
02 May 01 - 09:16 AM (#453761) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: IceWolf Phil Ochs "I Ain't Marchin' Any More" Tom Paxton "Born on the Fourth of July" ???? "The Minstrel Boy" --IceWolf |
02 May 01 - 11:00 AM (#453830) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: BobP Noticed the absence of Buffy's Universal Soldier. . . . And he thinks we'll put an end to war this way. or, in Slovik's time, putting an end to Hitler. but, we didn't know a better way. Oh well, that wasn't Slovik's problem.
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02 May 01 - 11:37 AM (#453858) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: Bagpuss War! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing. |
02 May 01 - 12:17 PM (#453885) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: Wendy_ Perhaps this thread is worth a look? Trench Songs of WW1 |
02 May 01 - 03:52 PM (#454087) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: ermintrudeclaire what about John Richard's 'the deserter' as sung by Fairport among others Dont despise the deserter, dont despise the deserter who rain from the war' |
02 May 01 - 05:10 PM (#454168) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: Bert A DT Search for join army Finds many hits including This one |
02 May 01 - 06:22 PM (#454240) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: ddw There were quite a few that might fit the bill among Civil War (U.S.) songs. One of the best IMO, is All Quiet Along The Potomac. Another that springs to mind is The Empty Chair. In a totally different vein, there's Draft Dodger Rag. Can't remember who wrote it — may have been Phil Ochs or maybe Tom Paxton or Bob Gibson. Joan Baez's version of What Have They Done To The Rain? is a pretty powerful one. Also — tho' I've never heard it recorded, The Crow and The Cradle. Bob Gibson also arranged a Civil War Trilogy with The First Battalion, Yes I See and Two Brothers. I know somebody mentioned it above and many consider it overdone, but I'd also cast another vote for Eric Bogle's And The Band Played Waltzing Matilda. cheers, david |
02 May 01 - 06:25 PM (#454247) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: ddw Just as I hit the send button I remembered another — Johnny, I Hardly Knew Ye. |
02 May 01 - 08:07 PM (#454330) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: GUEST,mgarvey@pacifier.com I would most strongly suggest a WWII song, which I believe the Crow and the Cradle is, although I don't remember what it is about. mg |
02 May 01 - 08:17 PM (#454345) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: Lady McMoo Perhaps also "The Antelope". A powerful anti-war song I think written by Mick Ryan. mcmoo |
04 May 01 - 05:19 AM (#455549) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Need a song about war/soldier/pacif From: Deni Is the crow and the Cradle by Sidney Carter? |