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09 May 01 - 11:52 PM (#459263) Subject: Congrats to bbc - tenure! From: Sandy Paton Congratulations are in order for bbc, Mudcatter & friend. She has just been quite ceremoniously given tenure at the school where she is a teacher/librarian. Seems they know a good thing when they find one. We celebrated by having dinner together at the local beanery. Sandy |
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09 May 01 - 11:57 PM (#459266) Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure! From: catspaw49 Wonderful!!! Thanks Sandy......and I hope you had other fare at the "beanery." Barb, my hardiest and heartiest congratulations to you....and Sandy is correct that they know a good thing. So do I and many others here. May you have the best always come to you. Spaw |
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10 May 01 - 12:09 AM (#459270) Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure! From: katlaughing That is wonderful news. Thanks for letting us know, Sandy! All the best, kat |
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10 May 01 - 12:14 AM (#459272) Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure! From: DougR Congratulations, Barb my love, you truly deserve it! And so much more! DougR |
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10 May 01 - 12:23 AM (#459276) Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure! From: Rick Fielding What's tenure? Don't I deserve some by now? Congrats Barb. Tenure PLUS dinner with the Pontoons! It doesn't get any better than that. Sandy, I miss that Italian restaurant. Rick |
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10 May 01 - 12:30 AM (#459285) Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure! From: dick greenhaus BBC- Congratulations Rick- You have tenure. At this point, nobody can stop you from singing, whether they like it or not. |
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10 May 01 - 01:27 AM (#459308) Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure! From: Barbara Oh, good show, Barb. They recognize quality, obviously. Blessings, Barbara |
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10 May 01 - 05:50 AM (#459369) Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure! From: bbc What a nice thing to do, Sandy! It's only 5:50 am & I need to scoot to work, but I'll post later. Thanks for the good wishes! love, barbara |
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10 May 01 - 06:00 AM (#459374) Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure! From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler Well done bbc, I know tenure is hard to get in the US ( in the UK we get it automatically after a probationary period though it doesn't mean we can't be sacked, yet amazingly, I'm still here, 25 years on!). RtS |
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10 May 01 - 06:08 AM (#459378) Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure! From: Lyndi-loo Congrats BBC. Security at last I'm not so sure that we get automatic tenure here in the UK. If you read the sits vac columns, particularly for science jobs you'll find that most of them are fixed term contracts with a possibility of extension. It seems that it's yet another management trend that we are following behind our American friends.
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10 May 01 - 08:40 AM (#459443) Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure! From: kendall Bully for you deah! |
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10 May 01 - 08:54 AM (#459455) Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure! From: SINSULL Congratulations, bbc. Now you can come in late, let the TAs take over your work, and enjoy long lunch hours! ...maybe not. Congratulations anyway. |
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10 May 01 - 09:09 AM (#459469) Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure! From: Alice hurray! That is great news. Barabara, you are a treasure. Alice |
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10 May 01 - 09:10 AM (#459470) Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure! From: Alice hurray! That is great news. Barbara, you are a treasure.
Alice sorry for the double post - I was typing so fast I spelled your name wrong! |
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10 May 01 - 09:23 AM (#459481) Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure! From: Liam's Brother Great news, Barbara!
All the best, |
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10 May 01 - 09:33 AM (#459488) Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure! From: MMario this is good news. congratulations bbc! |
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10 May 01 - 11:51 AM (#459570) Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure! From: Big Mick Hey Beebs.........I got a question..............ain't this tenure thing a liberal thing?????...........hahahahaha........Congratulations, m'love. You are one of my fav's anywhere. Even if you are a conservative. I am very happy for you. And, I hope you will come to FSGW this year. I miss you! All the best, Mick |
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10 May 01 - 12:25 PM (#459614) Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure! From: Hollowfox Hoo-ray! Congratulations and good for you, lass! (I love good news!) |
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10 May 01 - 12:36 PM (#459628) Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure! From: bill\sables Congratulations Barbara, does this mean you move to Paton country Bill & Lorna |
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10 May 01 - 12:46 PM (#459639) Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure! From: kendall I'll tell you what Big Mick, when BBC gives you a hug, you would never know she is a conservative! She's way too outgoing and warm. |
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10 May 01 - 01:04 PM (#459657) Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure! From: Big Mick I have been the recipient of those marvellous hugs, Ken. You are spot on about the quality of them. And I probably agree with more of her philosophy than I disagree. But there are a couple of things...........hahahahahaha. And Captain Kendall, won't you pulleaze make some time for FSGW this year as well? That would be a gas! Mick |
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12 May 01 - 01:15 PM (#461038) Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure! From: bbc Hi, folks, I finally have time to respond. I've lost track in some of these posts whether I'm being congratulated or roasted, but I appreciate the attention, just the same! Tenure in U.S. public school education can be offered after a teacher (or, in my case, a school librarian)has worked full-time in a school district for 3 years. It is a vote of confidence from the principal, superintendent, & school board that they are pleased w/ the person's work & desire that person to continue working in the district. In the 3 years before tenure is conferred, a teacher can be fired (not have contract renewed) without cause. After one is tenured, cause needs to be proven, unless one's job title is eliminated. For me, this is very good news! I came into my career a little more than 10 years ago, out of necessity, when my husband left me w/ 2 young children to support. I went from being a content homemaker to working full-time as soon as my younger son started kindergarten. My first job was in a special ed K-12 hospital school, headed by an insecure principal who fired someone each year. My second year, it was my turn. After 6 months of unemployment, I secured a job at a residental school for emotionally disturbed inner-city boys. That job lasted 1 1/2 years, till a union dispute lost all untenured faculty our jobs & caused 18 tenured teachers to be suspended during 3+ years of litigation. Ironically, I was recommended for my 1st "regular" public school job for that next fall. I worked 2 full school years at a grade 1-5 elementary school in a snooty Southern Westchester County, New York town. Although I had gotten good evaluations from my principal & had no idea my job was in danger, 2 weeks before the end of my 2nd year, the superintendent asked me to resign. Unbeknownst to me, I was the victim of a political situation in the school district. The other school librarians in the district were all tenured & they wanted to keep 1 position untenured, as a playing piece. The person in my position had been fired every 2 years for 3 times before me & once after me, till the principal & superintendent left! I went into the summer without a job for the fall & with my resume in tatters. I was unemployed for a full 2 years, as I continued to seek professional employment at a rate of pay that would support me & my children in an expensive area where I needed to stay so they could have visitation w/ their dad. At the end of the 2 years, I was offered a job in a small, rural district at a grade 4-6 school an hour's drive from my home & at a lower rate of pay than my previous job. It turned out to be the answer to my prayer that I could find a job where I would be accepted & appreciated. In addition, Duane & I discovered that we really loved the countryside around my school & want to move there as soon as it is feasible (probably when my younger son completes high school in 2 years). A huge added bonus is that we've become close friends w/ Sandy & Caroline Paton who live 10 minutes from where I work. We love the idea of moving closer to them! And now a few comments-- Thank you, Sandy, for starting this thread. Even though 5 people were given tenure in my building out of a staff of only about 20 total, we didn't get punch & cookies or even an announcement on the PA there, so your attention was really appreciated. SINSULL, I know you were joking, but I don't get to slack off now. I have am obligations, so can't arrive late. Have no TA & only get a 30-minute lunch to Mudcat in. For me, in the past, tenure has only worked against me. One supervisor told me that, as an untenured teacher, I needed to be virtually perfect since they knew that, when I got tenure, I'd slack off. That really hurt my feelings, since I am not a slack off kind of person. Many districts in my area have high payscales & many tenured people. In recent times, particularly w/ special area teachers (art, gym, music, library), they keep you for 2 years & hire somebody cheaper. Alice, Barabara is kind of cute. I've done that typo myself. Lately, my rude teenage son has been calling me Barbalee. I keep telling him my name is Mom! Mick, I love you. Tenure a liberal thing? Yes, in a way. In education, like it or not, I am represented by a union. Has its good & bad points. I've worked hard to get to this point & figure I have earned it. If I slack now, that is an abuse. I figure, now that I have tenure, they'll just do as they've threatened & eliminate the whole tenure system. : ) We're unsure about the Get-Away. David still has high college bills & Duane still has no regular income. Any chance of a trip to NY? Bill Sables--Yes to moving to Paton country, but I probably need to brave the darkness & deer for another 2 years. Love you! kendall, shame on you! Conservatives cold & inhibited? No, silly goose, that's librarians! I specialize in myth-breaking! BTW, if conservatives aren't allowed to hug warmly, how do you suppose all those Born Again Bible Belters get such large families? : ) Just to set the record straight for those of you who may not know me, those hugs I dispense are warm, wholehearted, socially acceptable expressions of Christian love, showing my appreciation & acceptance of my brothers & sisters in God's eyes. Hey, guys, did you know you were getting that much? Love & thanks to all, bbc (basking in 10-year tenure-glory) |
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12 May 01 - 02:05 PM (#461057) Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure! From: Duane D. Hello everyone. I've been away far too long and until today unable to reset my cookie. I discovered bbc's hugs nearly four years ago at our first time together and her hugs alone would have kept me coming back for more. Needless to say, the hugs I receive are more personal (and even warmer). |
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12 May 01 - 02:09 PM (#461058) Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure! From: Naemanson Hey Kid! Congratulations! I only just saw this thread and didn't want to miss out on giving you my warmest wishes. Brett |
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12 May 01 - 07:17 PM (#461183) Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure! From: AllisonA(Animaterra) Barbara!! That's great! In NH, tenure doesn't exist- but they keep asking me back, so I guess that's good. But I know you've been on pins and needles about job security- I remember when you were just finishing year #1 and thought it almost too good to be true that you might be going back in the fall- so this is wonderful news! Can I give you my hug in person at Old Songs or do I have to drive over there to NY to deliver it when I ever get to Sharon? |
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12 May 01 - 07:41 PM (#461194) Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure! From: Art Thieme Ms Barbara, How do you come away with "ten-years" of credit after just puttin' in three years ??? I guess you must know how to do it. Sure sounds a bit like alchemy to me. It's sort of like the Supreme Court saying Bush is the president of the U.S. Whatever! Go for it ! When ya got it, FLAUNT IT. Oh---CONGRATULATIONS. Art Thieme |
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12 May 01 - 08:16 PM (#461201) Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure! From: bbc Hey, Art, shame on you! Didn't you read my post? Although it only takes *most* people 3 years to make tenure, I had to work in my field 10 years before anyone saw fit to grant it! I thought you, of all people, would appreciate my 10-yr tenure play. Animaterra, boo! hiss! no tenure in NH?! We expect to be at Old Songs & I'm always glad to get a hug! love, Barbara |
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12 May 01 - 08:47 PM (#461208) Subject: RE: BS: Congrats to bbc - tenure! From: Art Thieme Barbara, I'm sheepishly admitting I don't read all the posts. ("Funny", Carol says, "You don't look Sheepish"!) I do really miss you here lately. Will you be able to spend more time here now? Love, Art |