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12 Jun 01 - 07:58 PM (#481979) Subject: Aliens ? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull I remember reading in one of our trashy newspapers,that 5 million americans rekon theyve been abducted by aliens! Have any of you been abducted by aliens? If so what was it like?john:-) |
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12 Jun 01 - 08:02 PM (#481984) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: Murray MacLeod John, I really do think your compulsion to start new threads is becoming pathological. Murray |
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12 Jun 01 - 08:08 PM (#481994) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: Amos I have never been abducted by anyone who admitted to being an alien, although some of my babysitters probably just weren't owning up. If you want some insight into what people believe it was like, I suggest you read the two or three books written by Whitley Streiber around 1983-5 on the subject. There is a lot of interesting data which he presents combined with some stirring first-hand recounting. While the information is often "anecdotal" the actual numbers of anecdotes and the unusual points of commonality they seem to come up with from apparently independent sources is a faskinatin' puzzle. A |
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12 Jun 01 - 08:31 PM (#482011) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Thanks Amos |
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12 Jun 01 - 08:51 PM (#482033) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: GUEST John: You are making an unwarranted assumption that alien interaction with humans is an abduction. When a spaceship landed in my back yard 5 years 3 months and 4 days ago I communicated with them by sign language and understood that my flight with them was voluntary. The first thing they did when aboard the craft was to hook me up with a pair of headphones that translated what they were saying to English. We had a marvelous time. I also learned many new things about our universe; however, they asked me not to say what I had learned until the summer of 2065. |
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12 Jun 01 - 09:08 PM (#482041) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Guest I am looking forward to 2065! Did you know Mars is the closest its been to Earth now than for over a decade? Its only 42 million miles away. |
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12 Jun 01 - 11:20 PM (#482120) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: MarkS I tried that line once but my wife didn't buy it. |
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12 Jun 01 - 11:36 PM (#482142) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: Clinton Hammond I once though I'd been abducted by aliens, but it turns out I was only in Windsor... aliens... what a load of crap... |
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12 Jun 01 - 11:50 PM (#482158) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: Donuel Strieber is strictly fiction although sometimes compelling. There are only a few non fiction works on this subject by authors such as Paul Hill , Dr.Mack(Harvard) , Allen Hynek ... I have Mack's pre release edition that contain the actual names. I have met with Hynek and associates shortly before his death by brain tumor. I was a clinical hypnotist for 12 years but donated time to people who had difficulty reconciling their experience. In 1977 I participated in radio shows on the subject of civilian facts vs. military denials of ufos. As far as the abduction experience I am certain the large numbers you are quoting are the result of people misinterpreting normal sleep paralysis and/or natural DMT firings in the brain while sleeping. Regarding the UFO experience , there is extraordinary evidence . There is also a culturally trained derision of the subject . |
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12 Jun 01 - 11:55 PM (#482164) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Donuel-there is indeed some very interesting theoris on ufos,Have you read Chariots Of The Gods by Erik Von Danicken? |
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13 Jun 01 - 12:01 AM (#482170) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: Amergin i always ljc and spaw were extraterrestial.... |
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13 Jun 01 - 12:07 AM (#482178) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: Amos Well, that's an altogether different mythology, Amergin! The Gaelic Goddes is not of This Earth, but I wouldn't put her in the same category as the Lesser Grays who run sample tests on sleepin' humanoids....at near C speeds! :>) A |
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13 Jun 01 - 12:42 AM (#482189) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: Peg Jacques Vallee puts forth an interesting theory that alien abduction is merely a contemporary set of trappings to explain an age-old phenomenon: connection to an other-race from an other-place. a hundred years ago, this phenomenon was known as faery abduction. The zeitgeist alters the details: in the modern age little green men or slender grey men from the hills are replaced by little green men or slender grey men from outer space...the erotic encounters with beings from faery are replaced by anal probes and fertility experiemnts conducted in alien ships. The slowing or halting of the passage of time, the sensation of floating, the bright lights: these are common to both. Other cultures have other explanations... Peg
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13 Jun 01 - 08:56 AM (#482347) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: GUEST,Nobody Special There are other and far more insidious ways aliens could be amongst us. Through the birth canal. These would be folks between lifetimes who came to Earth looking for a place to be born. Whether for good or for ill depends on what agendas they bring with them. Looking around would have to make you wonder. |
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13 Jun 01 - 09:13 AM (#482359) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: A Wandering Minstrel Clinton, Windsor can do that to you! specially on Sundays.... as Les Barker dyslexically reminds us: "Duluth is out there!" |
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13 Jun 01 - 09:19 AM (#482362) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: Crazy Eddie Ah, Sundays, when one has taken as many baths as one can usefully take in one day, and one enters the long, dark tea-time of the soul......................... |
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13 Jun 01 - 09:44 AM (#482379) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: Grab There's certainly some interesting theories, John. Trouble is, finding any sort of evidence to back it up. Until then, all the theories have exactly the same validity as my theory that Neptune is actually made of Christmas pudding and Pluto is a giant glob of brandy butter to go with it. They are no more valid than that. :-) I don't mean this as derision, merely to show how tenuous these theories are, and how little there is to back them up. Actually, a more accurate work would be "hypotheses" - there generally isn't enough evidence backing them to call them "theories". Von Daniken provided little or no proof for Chariots of the Gods. I read the book, and what comes across is the wild-eyed theorising - the book is one big brain-storming session, VD asking "what if". It has no basis as a factual document. Graham. |
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13 Jun 01 - 05:13 PM (#482749) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: mytoycar I dont know about being abducted but looking at my family I think I was born in to a family of aliens!!! |
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13 Jun 01 - 05:21 PM (#482757) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: UB Ed I thought Janet Reno sent Alien back to Cuba last year? |
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13 Jun 01 - 05:21 PM (#482758) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: lady penelope My entire country has been abducted by an alien, he's called 'Tony Blair', don't tell me you hadn't noticed ? TTFN M'Lady P. |
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13 Jun 01 - 05:34 PM (#482773) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: GUEST,Les B According to Homer Simpson, you haven't lived until you've been gang probed by Aliens ! |
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13 Jun 01 - 05:44 PM (#482781) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: Liz the Squeak Aliens - yes, most men. And they aren't from Mars, they're from Uranus, because they are shits. (sorry having a bad day....) LTS |
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13 Jun 01 - 05:47 PM (#482782) Subject: Aliens From: Clinton Hammond Von Daniken is an idiot! Hands down, no argument! Did anybody catch the FOX TV show a few years ago, "Incident at Lake County" about a family (The Mac something or others) sitting down to Thanksgiving dinner or such like and they get buzzed by, and abducted by aliens! It was hillarious... it's where they boys got the idea for the mocumentry style of The Blair Witch... Tell me I'm not the only one who saw it?!?!?!?!?! PLEASE!!!!!! LOL!! |
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13 Jun 01 - 06:47 PM (#482847) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: Murray MacLeod I would just like to point out that the INS classify me as an alien. Must be something to do with the strange mode of speech, or perhaps it's the superhunan intelligence .............. Murray |
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13 Jun 01 - 06:59 PM (#482860) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: Chicken Charlie Beg to differ, C.H. Anybody who can sell skadillions of books with no basis whatsoever ain't no fool. His royalties are in fact spendable, so all he is is proof that capitalism and P.T. Barnum are compatible. I don't even think the people who read them are necessarily idiots either, because ideas are supposed to compete in the market place. I don't like Velikovsky either, but the people who burned and banned his books were infinitely more dangerous. Those who are mistaken are the ones who actually believe any of the great aberrationists. I find Charles H. Fort most enjoyable, because he is actually serving a purpose; he's saying, "OK, you believe in rationalism and science, then explain this ----" and of course if you work on it, you can explain it, so it helps you understand How Things Work. My current acceptance, BTW, is that Velikovsky actively believed in what he said; Van Daniken did or does not. Churchward and Smyth are there too. They are all fun to read and are interesting-to-important as psychological pathologies. Interesting observation, having been on both sides of Civvy Street in my life. Why is it automatically "civilian facts and military denials?" Couldn't it just once be "military facts and civilian fantasies?" I understand how we all long for this Universe to be full of unicorns, folksingers, green grass, blue skies and cheap oil. It is not the military that keeps it from being so; it is Reality. CC PS. It seems to me, as a card-carrying paranoid myself, that some of us work extra hard at being offended and/or insulted. Everybody quotes the Biblical thing about not giving offence. How about for once practicing not taking it?? |
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13 Jun 01 - 07:10 PM (#482870) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: Clinton Hammond Oh please... Von Danikin is an idiot as is anyone who believes his clap-trap psudo-science!!! Just because you are a commercial success does not lend validity to ideas that are fundamentally flawed... If he though he was having one over on us by selling this drivel, then I'd be the first to applaud him... but no... Like Uri Geller, Danikin believes his own lies... About time someone brough up Fort though! Fort is very cool shit... ;-) |
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13 Jun 01 - 07:36 PM (#482901) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Murray-Whats INS? Was the sprlling mistake intentional? (superhunan) |
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13 Jun 01 - 07:42 PM (#482907) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: Clinton Hammond ummm... thanks to a few years of Law & Order, I used to know what INS stood for, but it's lost behind a wall of Guiness fog... Internal National Security? No... |
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13 Jun 01 - 07:45 PM (#482912) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: Murray MacLeod Touche, John ! INS = Immigration and Naturalization Service. Murray |
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13 Jun 01 - 07:48 PM (#482913) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: Clinton Hammond Ya! Thanks Murry... I needed that... |
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13 Jun 01 - 07:51 PM (#482916) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Thanks Clinton-I didnt really understand that "superhuman intelligence" bit either,never mind. But I do think if he is going to analyse our spelling perhaps he should take a look at his own (the words kettle and pot spring to mind!) |
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13 Jun 01 - 08:03 PM (#482928) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: Murray MacLeod Mea culpa, John. I do always try to proofread my posts. But there is a big difference between an obvious typo and a mis-spelling. Murray |
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13 Jun 01 - 11:10 PM (#483024) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: Sorcha Whitley Streiber is fiction? Really? Where did you get that tidbit? I know Erik VD is "fiction" whether he believes it or not.........Bill, I would love to hear some explanations of Fordelania.......I understand that most of them CAN be explained, I just don't know the explanations....... |
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14 Jun 01 - 07:44 AM (#483186) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: Gervase If these aliens are so damned smart that they can cross galaxies at supra-light speeds, why is it they always pick some godforsaken, redneck khazi of a community to do their abductions? I mean, surely it makes more sense to put your saucer down in the middle of Central Park than in Hicksville (or maybe not - in Central Park you wouldn't last five minutes before some crack-head made off with the hyperdrive unit and all your anti-gravity blasters had been swiped - leaving the saucer propped up on bricks and 'tagged' by the graffiti krew). It would certainly give more credibility to the tales if a paid-up member of the chattering classes were to tell all about being whisked away and anally-probed, rather than someone from the shallower end of the gene pool who can count up to 13 and still not run out of fingers. I'm afraid the truth is out there, and it's terribly mundane. |
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14 Jun 01 - 11:15 AM (#483297) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: GUEST,Claymore As you can probably guess, you meet a lot of the anally probed in police work. When I first started, I had a Desk Sgt. who would keep rolls of aluminum foil and a ready-made chain made out of paper clips in his desk drawer. When the wackoids and zoomies (a zoomie is a wackoid with Attention Deficit Disorder)came in to complain of alien butt probes, embedded chips or sub-toilet communications, he would advise them that they needed an metal helmet to ward off the rays, and they should be grounded at all times, to shunt off the impacts. Thus, it was not uncommon to see very happy citizens leaving the police station, wearing skull caps made out of aluminum foil, and carefully dragging the paper clip chain behind them... And the Desk Sgt got so many Letters of Commendation for his efforts, the Captain couldn't touch him... |
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14 Jun 01 - 04:36 PM (#483547) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: Liz the Squeak Gervase, you been hanging round us for TOOOOO long to think there ain't no aliens... You've met Mr Portillo - is he human?? I think not.... LTS |
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14 Jun 01 - 04:50 PM (#483554) Subject: RE: BS: Aliens ? From: mousethief The anal probe was wonderful. From what I've heard, anyway. Alex |