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21 Jun 01 - 08:32 PM (#489330) Subject: Help with Atlantic Cndn Music History From: andi Hi, I am looking for some information on Atlantic Canadian Music History. I am working on a needlework design celebrating Atlantic Canadian musical traditions. Who would you say were the folks that did the most to keep alive and develop the traditions of that area? thanks andi |
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21 Jun 01 - 10:55 PM (#489389) Subject: RE: Help: Help with Atlantic Cndn Music History From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca That is a VERY broad question. I would say the first and foremost name you should have is Dr. Helen Creighton. She single-handedly collected more material than anyone else in Canada. Another one would be Stompin' Tom Connors, who turned in his award at one of the early ECMAs which in turn has been used to help foster new talent. What was this designed for? |
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21 Jun 01 - 11:10 PM (#489401) Subject: RE: Help: Help with Atlantic Cndn Music History From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca What more can you tell me about this project? You say "That" region. Are you located elsewhere, then? |
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21 Jun 01 - 11:28 PM (#489419) Subject: RE: Help: Help with Atlantic Cndn Music History From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Also to consider, Clary Croft, Helen Creighton's protegé. He took up after Dr. Creighton died. Any particular music tradition? There are quite a lot of them, from the Acadians on down. Atlantic Canada comprises FOUR provinces, which means a lot of music. In Newfoundland, you have Irish. Nova Scotia has Acadian, Mi'k M'aq, German, Gaelic, English among others. Helen Creighton collected from all of these cultures. In PEI, you have Acadian and Scottish (Gaelic as well). Probably others too. Oh, also there is the Black culture as well as the United Empire Loyalists. In Halifax, we still have Shape Note singers descended from the New England states. |
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21 Jun 01 - 11:30 PM (#489422) Subject: RE: Help: Help with Atlantic Cndn Music History From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca There are Sea Songs, and Shanties, Lumbering songs, Mining songs, Fishing songs, dance tunes/songs, so, is this going to be a BIG design? |
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22 Jun 01 - 12:10 PM (#489761) Subject: RE: Help: Help with Atlantic Cndn Music History From: GUEST,andi George, Thank you so much for your help. I appreciate the response You say "That" region. Are you located elsewhere, then? Yes, I am actually in Buffalo, NY? What more can you tell me about this project? It will be a rather large design done on linen. Celebrating the musical traditions of Atlantic Candana. I would like to weave through the design the names of Artists who have passed the traditions of music from generation to generation. I know folks Like the Barra MacNeils and Great Big Sea but who were the folks who preceeded them? How were the Traditions passed down and who passed them down? thanks again andi if you care to email me I can be reached at andi_3k@hotmail.com
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22 Jun 01 - 12:33 PM (#489783) Subject: RE: Help: Help with Atlantic Cndn Music History From: Clinton Hammond Some people will say that Stan Rogers is the guy who was responsible for the 'resurgence' of folk music in Canada in the early 90's... I'm not saying I agree... ;-) |
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22 Jun 01 - 02:03 PM (#489847) Subject: RE: Help: Help with Atlantic Cndn Music History From: Charley Noble Before Stan Rogers there was Alan Mills with his two Folkways recordings of Songs from Newfoundland and Songs from New Brunswick, late 1950's, early 1960's vintage. |
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22 Jun 01 - 04:07 PM (#489921) Subject: RE: Help: Help with Atlantic Cndn Music History From: GUEST,Newfoundlander "Newfoundland Folk Songs for 800 Alex." All of these were big influences The first two, having started some of those traditions Sir Cavendish Boyle who wrote the "Ode to Newfoundland" Art Scammell who wrote many folk songs, the most famous being "The Squid Jigging Ground". Figgy Duff - band John White - Singer Kelly Russell - Fiddler, folklorist Ryan's Fancy - Music group that reintroduced a lot of Irish repetoire and found and reintroduced many Newfoundland songs. The Irish Descendants - Songwriters and performers in the old tradition. Wilf Doyle - Accorianist Ron Hynes - Singer Songwriter Rufus Guinchard - Old time Fiddler from the French Shore Emile Benoit : another well known and influential Newfoundland fiddler & composer from the Port au Port Peninsula. Ted Russell (Kelly's late father) is noteworthy for recitations and stories. There is a tribute to Stan Rogers which the CBC did which featured the Cream of Atlantic traditional music in the mid 90's the cd is still available. Well worth looking into. |
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22 Jun 01 - 04:09 PM (#489924) Subject: RE: Help: Help with Atlantic Cndn Music History From: GUEST,Newfoundlander "Newfoundland Folk Songs for 800 Alex." All of these were big influences The first two, having started some of those traditions Sir Cavendish Boyle who wrote the "Ode to Newfoundland" Art Scammell who wrote many folk songs, the most famous being "The Squid Jigging Ground". Figgy Duff - band John White - Singer Kelly Russell - Fiddler, folklorist Ryan's Fancy - Music group that reintroduced a lot of Irish repetoire and found and reintroduced many Newfoundland songs. The Irish Descendants - Songwriters and performers in the old tradition. Wilf Doyle - Accorianist Ron Hynes - Singer Songwriter Rufus Guinchard - Old time Fiddler from the French Shore Emile Benoit : another well known and influential Newfoundland fiddler & composer from the Port au Port Peninsula. Ted Russell (Kelly's late father) is noteworthy for recitations and stories. There is a tribute to Stan Rogers which the CBC did which featured the Cream of Atlantic traditional music in the mid 90's the cd is still available. Well worth looking into. |
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22 Jun 01 - 04:25 PM (#489931) Subject: RE: Help: Help with Atlantic Cndn Music History From: mooman Dozens of famous families in Cape Breton Island both Scottish and Acadian descendants. I have many of the CDs but George Seto can probably list them for you in an instant! mooman |
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22 Jun 01 - 05:55 PM (#489989) Subject: RE: Help: Help with Atlantic Cndn Music History From: Charley Noble Now they're cooking! |
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22 Jun 01 - 11:40 PM (#490159) Subject: RE: Help: Help with Atlantic Cndn Music History From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca God! There are/were TONS of groups through the last hundred years? You're looking to name many/most of them on your linen sheet? Well, let me get Kevin Evans on it, and Roger Stone. Are you looking for song people, or musicians? Just in Nova Scotia, we could give you a thousand names. I bet friends in New Brunswick, PEI and Newfoundland could do the same. Out of curiosity, why are you doing this project? What sparked your interest in Atlantic Canadian music? Let's see Garrison Brothers Some of the people to start with. Hey. I just had an idea. Come up to Cape Breton for Celtic Colours. Check out the web-site later on Saturday. They should have the schedule of events on it by the end of the day or weekend. |
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23 Jun 01 - 12:00 AM (#490164) Subject: RE: Help: Help with Atlantic Cndn Music History From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca A few more: Gordon Coté By no means would this be exaustive. |
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23 Jun 01 - 12:01 AM (#490166) Subject: RE: Help: Help with Atlantic Cndn Music History From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Ronnie MacEachern
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23 Jun 01 - 02:40 AM (#490219) Subject: RE: Help: Help with Atlantic Cndn Music History From: Barry T As George implied early in the thread, this is a huge question that's as complex as the social histories that motivated the tunes and songs in the first place. There are many contributors to this musical heritage: the composers, the collectors, the publishers, the archivists, the recording artists, and now the web community.
Above all I think you should include in your needlework the images of some faceless musicians and singers on a back porch or at a kitchen party. Collectively they have contributed more than all the others combined! ;-) |
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23 Jun 01 - 02:32 PM (#490440) Subject: RE: Help: Help with Atlantic Cndn Music History From: andi Hi Barry, Thanks for the response. I am planing this be centered around the idea of a kitchen party,since that is what I think of when I think of Atlantic Canadiam Music but I want to weave through the design on perhaps a "musical bar" ( I don't correct name for it, but the thing you put the notes on when you write music.) the names for the Artists that have help perseve and spread Atlantic Canadian music. I don't know if that makes any sense,I am having trouble describingit as I "see" it just now. The finished piece will be the aproximate size of a Queen bed, but meant to be a wall hanging. And Again thanks to all, your help is much appreciated andi |
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23 Jun 01 - 03:09 PM (#490457) Subject: RE: Help: Help with Atlantic Cndn Music History From: GUEST,Dan McKinnon Hello, I've just given a quick glimpse to some of what has been written and I believe if you want to know a little of where these current folksingers from the past 30 to 40 years, (myself included), have gotten much of their material and in many cases inspiration, you might check into "Shantymen and Shantyboys" by William Main Doerflinger, "Traditional Nova Scotia Ballads" by W. Roy MacKenzie, and I think if you went even a bit farther you could also find, aside from many of the sources for people like Helen Creighton (Who wrote several books on folklore as well as her collection of over 15,000 songs) people such as Ben Henneberry from Devil's Island, Fred Redden from Musquodobit (sp?), Mrs. Ed. Gallagher, Fred and Walter Roast, The Yarmouth Sea Captains, that these people are where our roots are. (This can be found by searching through Helen's collection at the Public Archives of Nova Scotia here in Halifax. But what it boils down to is that many of us here are shaped by the land and the sea which is never far away. Good luck with your project. Dan |
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23 Jun 01 - 05:54 PM (#490546) Subject: RE: Help: Help with Atlantic Cndn Music History From: andi Out of curiosity, why are you doing this project? It started cause of a call for designs with a musical theme from the Embroiderer's Guild that I belong to. I could not think of a better theme than honouring the musical tradition that I have found so much joy in listening to, What sparked your interest in Atlantic Canadian music? I found Great Big Sea about two years ago and then the Barra MacNeils last summer and have since been trying to learn more about Atalantic Canadian music. You suggested Celtic colours, I have been trying to get the time off work to go for several months now ( no answer from the powers that be). Most of the information I am finding is from word of mouth sources, fans from one artist telling their friend who like another group to check out so and so. It has been great. :) You're looking to name many/most of them on your linen sheet? Not at all. I am looking to name the folks who have done the most. But as you and the others have pointed out this may be too many * insert sheepish grin* so I will probably end up exploring all the artists that have been/will be suggested and using the ones That I hear of the most often and some of the ones I enjoy most. Subject: RE: Help: Help with Atlantic Cndn Music History From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 22-Jun-01 - 11:40 PM God! There are/were TONS of groups through the last hundred years? You're looking to name many/most of them on your linen sheet? Well, let me get Kevin Evans on it, and Roger Stone. Are you looking for song people, or musicians? either, really.
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23 Jun 01 - 10:26 PM (#490657) Subject: RE: Help with Atlantic Canadian Music History From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Dan is a fellow who has worked extensively with the material in the Helen Creighton Collection. HE knows as much as most people, and more than many others. OK, as Dan mentioned Roy MacKenzie. Roy was another man who started collecting some of the material in the region he lived in. His book was the inspiratioin for Helen Creighton who made it her life's work. Her sources included the people Dan mentioned above, but also people all through the Maritimes. Among the people in Newfoundland, are Jean Hewson & Christina Smith Actually, for links to some of these people, check my page on Folk Music. I should actually update it somewhat. Start there. Look also at the Cape Breton Music page |
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23 Jun 01 - 10:59 PM (#490668) Subject: RE: Help with Atlantic Canadian Music History From: GUEST,geordie Mary Jane Lamond is a must as are the Rankins. Also, Swallowstale, figgy Duff,Pamela Morgan,Lem Snow,Laura Smith, well, hundreds really. Good luck, hope you have fun doing it. |
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24 Jun 01 - 02:46 PM (#490903) Subject: RE: Help with Atlantic Canadian Music History From: GUEST,Dan McKinnon Hello once again Andi If you don't mind one more suggestion...? Although the current groups and performers of Atlantic Canadian Folk music are certainly important to help keep these traditions alive I do, however, think it's not so much us but our sources: the fishermen, farmers, "housewives" (who did much more than housework), coal miners, carpenters, sailors, ship builders... who are as vital to Atlantic Canadian folk roots. If they did not learn and compose the songs and the stories, there would not be any Atlantic Canadian folk scene. They are the foundation upon which the rest of us build. And yes a big thank you can go to the likes of Stan Rogers and Figgy Duff and a few others for showing us that our music is indeed worthy of the world stage. But it's the working people of the Atlantic provinces who gave us much of our music and now, currently, our freedom to exercise that freedom by becoming performers and "vessels for the torch". Cheers, Dan |
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24 Jun 01 - 11:38 PM (#491109) Subject: RE: Help with Atlantic Canadian Music History From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Amen to that, Dan! They sure are. I get to listen to these people who are "non-professional", only in the fact that they do NOT make their bread and butter by singing or playing. They do it for the love of the music. As for the names, you can take all the names out of your local phone book, and use them, as most of them will be the names of people in Atlantic Canada who make some form of music, or entertainment. One of the reasons I like Natalie MacMaster is what she said, and still does often. Note, this is a paraphrase "I am NOT the best fiddler from the Maritimes, or EVEN Cape Breton. There are loads of great musicians who play only in the form of the Kitchen Party, Many of them are much better than her, but for one reason or the other, I have the drive to make it my living. But no, I am not the best fiddler." The people we DON'T hear enough about are the Dr. Helen Creightons, Louise Mannys, Edith Fowkes and others who go to the trouble of collecting these cultural aspects we are listening to. The people, like them and Ronnie MacEachern(another unsung singer/songwriter) who collect it because they want to preserve the culture they see out there. The bits and pieces which when reconciled form pieces of the puzzle. The collectors mentioned above are only the tips of the iceberg, just here in Canada. In the states are many many others. At least we have some universities like Memorial who teach people about folklore, and collecting. |
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25 Jun 01 - 01:53 AM (#491152) Subject: RE: Help with Atlantic Canadian Music History From: GUEST,Mariner How about Jim Payne and Fergus O'Byrne?. Both of them are bringing the music to World to day through their recordings and appearences. Payne must also be one of the foremost Canadian songwriters and folklorists operating at the present time |
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25 Jun 01 - 06:07 AM (#491217) Subject: RE: Help with Atlantic Canadian Music History From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Yes, they would be. Besides the commercial success of those fellows, there is the lady with the accordian, who has been doing it for decades. I remember she was honoured with an ECMA a couple of years back. There are people like Harry Hibbs, Dick Nolan and others whom I don't know.
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25 Jun 01 - 08:12 AM (#491255) Subject: RE: Help with Atlantic Canadian Music History From: Willie-O Here's a motif you might try: Fiddlers often dedicate tunes to each other. Thus you could have a circle based on: Jerry Holland wrote Brenda Stubberts Brenda Stubberts wrote Rannie McLellans which Natalie MacMaster recorded and her uncle Buddy MacMaster, Member of the Order of Canada wrote ? ...John Campbell wrote Sandy McIntyre's Trip to Boston, Sandy McIntyre wrote Scotty Fitzgeralds Jig, Winston "Scotty" Fitzgerald wrote ? As you can see, you should never have let us begin... Willie-O
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25 Jun 01 - 09:49 AM (#491321) Subject: RE: Help with Atlantic Canadian Music History From: GUEST,andi As you can see, you should never have let us begin... Actually I am thrilled that so many folks have taken the time to answer me and am learning alot about artists I need to investigate. *G* The suggestions of folks who have done research and collections is great too. I am re-working the design to include as many of your suggestions as possible,before I begin stitching. thanks :D andi |
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25 Jun 01 - 11:02 AM (#491384) Subject: RE: Help with Atlantic Canadian Music History From: GUEST,Rob Dale Simani, whose song, "The Mummer's Song" Had a wonderful influence by helping to bring back the tradition of Mummering. Mummering is the ultimate, mobile, kitchen party. |
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25 Jun 01 - 07:39 PM (#491798) Subject: RE: Help with Atlantic Canadian Music History From: ollaimh and what about me the world imfamous atlantic canadian busker appearing nightly in the toronto subways. i must say about collectors they helen creighton did a fine job whereas edith fowkes and peacock , who are likely more famous politically edited the music to reflect their middle class upper canadian notions of what was an igorant and folsie ole musician from down east. now this kind of editing is as old a folk--childe did it to all the scottish ballads--but it isn't what folk should be about. in fact what has amazed me my whole lifetime is how well educated many rural maritime folkies are , even if they are largely berift of formal education. many of the locally written traditional songs are of poetic level with anything in ther world. so use creighton and abuse the others! |
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28 Jun 01 - 12:32 AM (#493669) Subject: RE: Help with Atlantic Canadian Music History From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Andi, here is the page with information on Dr. Helen Creighton |