Songs about Hull

02 Jul 01 - 01:14 PM (#496682)
Subject: Songs about Hull
From: Abuwood

Can any one help me with songs about Hull? I own one old Chris Rowe & Ian Clark vynyl and can take some general sea songs, esp by John Connelly but don't know where else to look. Not much input here in the West Midlands as far away from the sea as you can get. Also never been to a club in Hull so when we visit mother on OP where should we go?

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02 Jul 01 - 01:54 PM (#496719)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Mr Red

Anything by the Kingston trio?

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02 Jul 01 - 02:01 PM (#496724)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Sorcha

Hull Home Page with a link that says--Music.

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02 Jul 01 - 02:04 PM (#496729)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull

As far as I know there are know folk "clubs" as such in Hull, although there are plenty of great sessions and singalongs in pubs, the nearest clubs are in Cottingham and Beverley.Cottingham is only about 3 miles away and Bevereley 7,Cottingham Folk Club have a very good website, sorry I cant do that link stuff properly, but hopefully somebody will make a link for you.

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02 Jul 01 - 02:09 PM (#496733)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Roger in Sheffield

click here

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02 Jul 01 - 02:10 PM (#496735)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Linda Kelly

As John said both Beverley and Cottingham have good clubs and Les from Hull has a session in the Kingston on fridays -since he is the expert on all things Hullish I am sure he would be able to sort you out. As for songs Keith Marsden wrote Hessle Road and there is that songs about I couldn't give a bu**er I'm a man which mentions Kirkella which is also in Hull.

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02 Jul 01 - 02:10 PM (#496737)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull

Thanks Roger!

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02 Jul 01 - 02:17 PM (#496745)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull

I can definetly reccomend Les in Hulls session in the Kingston, I went there last week for the first time, Les is a good singer and evrybody there is very friendly.

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02 Jul 01 - 02:20 PM (#496749)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Eric the Viking

Try Cobble, he knows lots of stuff about Hull and songs. He sings Hessle road beautifully (if you can call him beautiful!!!)

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02 Jul 01 - 02:32 PM (#496755)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: GUEST,Willa

Lament for the Hull trawlers, by Ewan McColl/Frankie Armstrong. Harry Eddom, by Bill Meek; Ickle Dorritt's song, The Luckiest Sailor. Can give you lyrics for the first two if you need them.
Cottingham Folk club's web address is www.Cottingham-Live.co.uk and has excellent links and info about other local clubs. Nellie's address is www.soft.net.uk/10sg/nellies.htm

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02 Jul 01 - 02:36 PM (#496759)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull

Hello Willa-Are you using KIT or Karoo?
I am wondering how many other people are using KIT.thanks.john

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02 Jul 01 - 02:41 PM (#496764)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: GeorgeH

It earns a mention in "Dalesman's Litany".

G.

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02 Jul 01 - 02:43 PM (#496765)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Dorrie

theres a hull/fishing historian called alec gill. I once heard him on the radio talking about hessle road and all tihngs fishing.so look him up and you'll probably get sometihng. hope that helps dorrie xx

p.s john in hull i'm on karoo but i do have kit digital tv

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02 Jul 01 - 02:47 PM (#496769)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: bill\sables

I just heard of a session in Hestle Hull on Tuesday nights, anyone got any info

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02 Jul 01 - 03:04 PM (#496781)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull

Bill Sables-its at The Hase in Hessle (opposite the big church).john

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02 Jul 01 - 03:33 PM (#496797)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: John MacKenzie

Jackie and Bridie used to sing a song called The Humber bridge song which sort of fits in with Hull and its surroundings. I can't remember the words in fact I wouldn't mind having them if anyone knows them, the chorus is I believe--

Will they ever bridge the Humber will they ever span it o'er,
is always an exception to the rule.
Is it such a privilege to have a Humber bridge,
do we have to keep on going round by Goole.

The fact that a bridge was built years ago does not affect the history in the song nor change the fact that it's a good song--- Giok

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02 Jul 01 - 05:44 PM (#496932)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Eric the Viking

Cor-Jackie and bridie, havent heard of them in years, got one of their live vinyl albums.

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02 Jul 01 - 05:55 PM (#496942)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: GUEST

Giok
that's from the Chris Rowe/Ian Clark album. Bill Meek/John Connolly updated that by writing The Ballad of the Humber Bridge for a YTV documentary 'A Bridge of Size'
John, I use Karoo - it's very slow at times.

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02 Jul 01 - 06:00 PM (#496950)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: GUEST,Willa

Sorry, forgot to identify myself in the previous post.

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02 Jul 01 - 08:38 PM (#497067)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Cobble

Tell the truth Eric you've got original wax drum recordings. And guest my wife Mrs C has got the Chris Rowe – Ian Clark album we used to listen to it 20 years ago. Yes and nice to hear from you again Eric have you bought a real guitar yet or are you still using that converted biscuit tin. To finish this short answer my father was an Hessle Roader I come from a fishing family hence I love all of those songs.

Cobble.

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02 Jul 01 - 08:41 PM (#497068)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Cobble

May as well make it a treble.

Cobble.

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03 Jul 01 - 06:40 AM (#497325)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Les from Hull

The song that Ickle Dorritt refers to is 'Three Day Millionaire' by Mike Waterson. Mike also wrote 'Stitch in Time', recorded by Martin Carthy, about an event that happened in Hull although Hull isn't mentioned in the song.

Some of Lal Waterson's songs have had local references - like 'Some Old Salty'. Jim Eldon has also written songs with Hull connections. Didn't Mike Chapman have a song about the 'Polar Bear' (a pub on Spring Bank)?

The two sessions in the area that Maggie and I try not to miss are at the Kingston Hotel in Cumberland Street on Fridays from about 9pm onwards. Make sure you get the right Kingston, there's two others in Hull. And downstairs at Nellies (the White Horse Inn in Hengate) in Beverley there's a very good session on the afternoon of the first Sunday of each month.

If you can give me a date when you're visiting Hull, you can PM me and I'll let you know what's happening at that time. A good time to visit might be 18/19 August when Hull hosts the UK's premier shanty Festival - Sea Fever.

Les

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03 Jul 01 - 06:45 AM (#497328)
Subject: ADD: Gloria Victoria
From: Abuwood

Thanks guys, Will they ever bridge the Humber is on my Rowe & Clarke lp, along with man who put the halt in haltemprice - I will type it out for you if you need it.
Iwas reminded of this one when I saw the statue in Lancaster

Gloria Victoria
(Rowe & Clark)

If anyone should go to Hull to spend a day or three
You'll find a wondrous city, laid out for all to see,
But its not the parks and gardens that catch the tourist's eye
Not the great big hospital towering to the sky
You'll find a site that 's quite unique and have to stop and stare
Victoria on a toilet in the middle of the square

Victoria Victoria, Gloria Victoria
They loved her well and none can tell just why they had to spoil it
She'd not amused, she's been abused
She overlooks a toilet

King William sits on horseback as he did in days of old
Watching o'er the market place dressed in leaves of gold
And De La Pole puts hand to eye to see that all is clear
To warn us of invasion and see no one steals the pier
But flushed with pride Victoria sits and to the world presents
Her regal chains of office, 5 ladies and 6 gents

Now monuments get moved around with no respect for rank
And when they moved old Wilberforce the poor chap nearly sank
And pity Andrew Marvel cos he must feel a fool
Not content with moving him they sent him back to school
But happy in the knowledge that they'll never move her too
Victoria sits resplendent, She's found her Waterloo

So if we have a statesman who proves that he is great
We put him on a pedestal to hold his last debate
Or if we have a General who really makes the grade
Up he goes on horseback to lead his last parade
The setting that we give them shows the qualities they have
I wonder what Victoria did they stuck her on a Lav

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03 Jul 01 - 07:03 AM (#497338)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Abuwood

Thankyou Les from Hull my email is [e-mail] - praps that is the only way to have a conversation on Mudcat - I am still learning. It was flipping sea fever 1999 that started me into this folk lark, I wanted to make it this year but I think we are dancing at Burntwood. I am not complaining really, we sing with Shellbacks Chorus and have a fab time.

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03 Jul 01 - 10:30 AM (#497483)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Skipjack K8

You'll know our good friend Noreen, then, Abu.

Bill, the Hessle session is bang where john from hull says it is, good man himself. It is held fortnightly, and is on tonight. Several Sloopers go over for it now (I went last time) but we still have the Sloop session every week in Barton.

Abu, if you can stump up the extortionate Humber Bridge Toll (£2.40 each blathering way) and you're at a loose end on a Tuesday night, PM me for directions. Barton is on the south bank of the Humber, tight by the bridge.

Skipjack

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03 Jul 01 - 10:45 AM (#497490)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Noreen

Hi Skippy! Yes, indeed we met up in Liverpool at the Mersey Shanty festival, and will be singing together again at Cleckheaton this weekend (you be there, Mr. jack?)

Cue for a Shellbacks thread, Alison... over to you... :0)

Noreen

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03 Jul 01 - 10:56 AM (#497504)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Les from Hull

I've not been to the Hessle session yet, Skipjack. Could you give us some sort of description of what sort of session it is?

Incidentally, the Kingston session is both tunes and songs. The songs are often accompanied and the tunes are often Irish, but there's no rules for that sort of thing.

Knowing 'catters sense of humour and seeing the name of this thread I was looking for suggestions like 'Bat out of Hull', 'We're Hedon for the last round-up', 'Poor old Rueben Bransholme,' and 'You're Humberlievable!'

Cheers, Les

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03 Jul 01 - 11:10 AM (#497518)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Abuwood

Hull Hell and Halifax so the poets tell are very much alike in shape and size - they've got it right in one way cos Hull is flat as hell - on a clear day.......?

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03 Jul 01 - 11:20 AM (#497524)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Skipjack K8

Sadly for me, Noreen, I will be bouncing round the lower North Sea in a Stella for the weekend, and not with who you might think, either.

Hope you go enjoy the roar of the crowd.

Enjoy

Skipjack

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03 Jul 01 - 11:27 AM (#497529)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Skipjack K8

Les, the Hessle session I went to was a tune only affair, and I treated the massed crowds to my two weeks experience as a fiddle player! Apart from me, the musicianship was excellent.

I like the sound of your Kingston session, as our Sloop session is a 'no rules' come-all-ye. I have promised john I will raft up with him at your Friday session soon, but the next few Fridays are taken up with weddings, birthdays and seaborne hedonism.

Skipjack

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03 Jul 01 - 01:33 PM (#497631)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: GUEST

Abuwood
i have heard a song on that theme, chorus from Hull and Halifax and Hell , good Lord deliver me.
I think that was a reference to the harsh regime in the workhouses of those towns.
Cobble, is your name a reference to the fishing cobbles?

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03 Jul 01 - 02:02 PM (#497648)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Cobble

Abuwood you got it first go but the catch is the fishing cobble, is spelt coble its just that I like it with two B's.

All the best, hope to meet you soon Cobble.

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03 Jul 01 - 06:04 PM (#497819)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: John MacKenzie

The story I heard about The Dalesman;s Litany chorus of "from Hull and Halifax and hell good Lord Deliver me" was based on the fact that the magistrates in those three towns were particularly heavy handed when it came to sentencing people who commited minor crimes, rewarding thieves with the gallows, and poachers with transportation. Rgds Jock

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04 Jul 01 - 04:11 AM (#498076)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: IanC

Jock

I think it was more to do with the way the vagrancy laws were interpreted.

Cheers!
Ian

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04 Jul 01 - 03:43 PM (#498474)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: John MacKenzie

The vagrancy laws were passed after the Napoleonic Wars to prevent ex soldiers wandering the countryside stealing and begging. So if this song predates the act of parliament then you are probably right. To me history and the dates thereof are as much of a mystery as the laws of, and the reason for, football. So Which came first I don't know-- Jock

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04 Jul 01 - 05:36 PM (#498509)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Susanne (skw)

Late as usual, but for some reason I couldn't post the last two days. Still, I don't think anyone has mentioned Harvey Andrews' 'Boothferry Bridge' - written, he claims, "for all those who get homesick for Hull (because they need all the help we can give them".
Greetings to all the German Mudcat Gatherers on this thread, plus George who wasn't able to come. I'm off to Germany's biggest folk festival now, so bye till Sunday!

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05 Jul 01 - 02:05 AM (#498728)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Abuwood

Was Harvey Andrews a Birmingham man Susanne - (thinking of the Mrs Ackroyd Hallelulia Chorus?) I would like to get hold of that song - I really miis the fish dock smells and the fog horns!(honest).

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05 Jul 01 - 03:21 AM (#498741)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Linda Kelly

I thought Harvey Andrews went to Bablake School or Henry VIII in Coventry and that there was a midlands connection.

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05 Jul 01 - 05:33 AM (#498777)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: nutty

A search of broadsides in the Bodleian Library has unearthed a motley collection of songs :-

THE MERCHANTMAN'S SON

BONNY SCOTCH LADDIE>

HULL IS A WONDERFUL TOWN

THE HUMBERSIDE>

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05 Jul 01 - 05:42 AM (#498784)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Noreen

Must be about time for a revival of Oh Hull is a Wonderful Town-o... volunteers? (with a derry-derry down) :0)

Noreen

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05 Jul 01 - 05:51 AM (#498792)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Les from Hull

I could do that, Norrie!

The Bonnie Scotch Laddie (Bonnets so Blue) is a Morris Tune isn't it?

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05 Jul 01 - 06:01 AM (#498798)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Noreen

Now, Les, you're the very chap I had in mind!

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05 Jul 01 - 09:16 AM (#498870)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Joy Bennett

Abuwood -- I have been singing Hessle Road for awhile -- if you can put your hands on a copy of "Picking Sooty Blackberries" (songs of Keith Marsden) it's in there. If not , I will be happy to get you a copy -- just let me know. It's really a great song about the decline of the fishing trade. I sang it at the Mystic Sea Music Festival last month and it went over extremely well. It really struck me.

Joy

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05 Jul 01 - 01:19 PM (#499065)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Abuwood

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05 Jul 01 - 01:19 PM (#499066)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Abuwood

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05 Jul 01 - 01:45 PM (#499081)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: nutty

Lost for words?????

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05 Jul 01 - 02:24 PM (#499106)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: GUEST,Willa

Thanks, Nutty; I've never heard any of these - pleased to see that one of them gives Hull its correct title of Kingston upon Hull. i hate the way our current City leaders have re-branded it as hull (the lower case h is intentional!)

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05 Jul 01 - 07:10 PM (#499335)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: GUEST,harvey andrews

Yes, I'm a Brummie. No, I didn't go to school in Coventry..I went to College to train as a teacher. "Boothferry Bridge" is often taken as proving I came from Hull. The truth is I was driving to a gig there musing on the fact that Americans had such evocative names in their songs ie Witchita..and I was on the road to places like Wigan that could never be used in the same context of romantic travelling song without eliciting English audience laughter.(sorry Wiganite mudcatters) Then I went over this bridge and the name hit me..as well as the secret,..you need vowels. Boooothfeeeeryyyy..sings well..bridges are symbols of travel, of leaving and returning..and I began to compose a song that's still in the repertoire, and requested, 30 years later. Only problem is it's a rusty old swing bridge not The Golden Gate!!!

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06 Jul 01 - 11:41 AM (#499840)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Geoff the Duck

An item in today's News mentions that a Leather Flying Jacket, belonging to pioneer aviator,Amy Johnson, has just been returned to her native Hull. It was the one she wore prior to her final flight, and had been left at the shop of the tailor who made the Jacket she wore on that flight.
I had previously not been aware of her place of birth, so was interested to find this out.
Taking that as a starting point, I suppuse you could include Amy Johnson, she flew in an aeroplane etc.... to the tune of Daisy, Daisy.
Quack!

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06 Jul 01 - 08:21 PM (#500261)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Cobble

Harvey Boothferry Bridge may be old but its not rusty, it's a nice coat of Humberside blue. It was in fact given a major overhaul a few short years back. I cross it about eight times a week, but I never (oh the shame) knew there was a song about it.

Cobble.

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06 Jul 01 - 09:25 PM (#500288)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull

I live in Hull, where is Boothferry Bridge? (serious question).Is it still there?

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07 Jul 01 - 07:05 AM (#500465)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Cobble

Hi John Boothferry Bridge is just outside Goole about half a mile, over the Ouse. If you look to the right of the bridge heading towards Goole you can see where the old ferry used to cross.

Hope that helps Cobble.

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07 Jul 01 - 10:53 AM (#500561)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: GUEST,Willa

There was a popular song, 'Amy, Wonderful Amy'; don't know whether that's the same as the one Geoff mentions. I remember my son telling me that another song, 'I Touch the Blue' was about Amy's exploits, though it doesn't mention her name.

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07 Jul 01 - 09:35 PM (#500860)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull

Thanks Cobble, I presume its the big metal one I see whilst on the M62.

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08 Jul 01 - 06:09 AM (#501008)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: John MacKenzie

Did Owen Hand not come from Hull or thereabouts?, I was always accused of looking like him, but I reckon that it was him that looked like me. John

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08 Jul 01 - 08:00 AM (#501029)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: GUEST,harvey andrews

Boothferry Bridge a nice shade of blue!!!!! Eeeh, by gum, times 'ave changed since I wrote t'song! Harvey

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09 Jul 01 - 12:59 PM (#502074)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull-Amy Johnson
From: Abuwood

My Aunt used to serve Amy in the NAAFI - she said she was a small soft spoken lady, very polite, her stue is opposite the library outside of a shopping centre

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16 Jul 01 - 04:04 AM (#507475)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull

I seem to remember Mike Harding mentioning Hull, in one of his songs.Does anybody know anything about it? (it was in about 1975)

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16 Jul 01 - 06:44 PM (#508082)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Eric the Viking

I always thought Owen Hand came from Scotland. I have an early album and will check out if there is a bio on it.

Cheers

Eric

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24 Jun 02 - 01:16 PM (#735832)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull

Hull is mentioned in Female Drummer by Steeleye Span, if you are lucky you can here this sung at the Sunday night folk session by the landlady (Teresa) and her sisters.

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14 Oct 02 - 11:32 PM (#803244)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: GUEST

Never too much about Hull - there must be one song more.

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15 Oct 02 - 12:02 AM (#803265)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull

The Jim Eldon that Les mentions can be seen at the music session at The Tap & Spile, Hull, he is the bloke with a grey suit and a fiddle.
His son goes there as well, i cant remember his name, but he plays a meleodeon.
The Rising of Grafton Street-The Beautiful South is about Hull
Pretenders to The Throne -The Beautiful South is also about Hull
Some Old Salty has recently been recorded by Chumber Wumber.

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15 Oct 02 - 12:05 AM (#803266)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull

PS. The Music session at The Tap £ Spile is on a Tuesday at about 8.30PM.

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15 Oct 02 - 03:53 PM (#803800)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Train Guard

In the song 'Dalesman's Litany', the references are as follows (so I was taught). Halifax, in the eighteenth century, had a unique way of executing people - it had its own guillotine, which was perhaps unique in Britain. As far as Hull is concerned, this was a reference to the activities of the press gang, who were very active there and in Newcastle too. It appears that the sailors on the collier brigs were especially prized by them.

Regards,
Train Guard.

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19 Nov 02 - 12:09 AM (#829549)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: GUEST

Hull Hull hull hull hu hu hu hu

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19 Nov 02 - 03:33 AM (#829592)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Sir Roger de Beverley

Although not about Hull. Mrs Brown You've Got a Lovely Daughter (a hit for Herman's Hermits) was written by Trevor Peacock (a Hull playwright) for a TV play and was originally sung in the play and recorded by Tom Courtney the Hull actor.

Roger

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26 Jun 03 - 09:19 PM (#973042)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull

Walton-Street-Fair,is,about,Hull-Fair.

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02 Jul 03 - 03:46 PM (#975413)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: old git

les ,as far as I know the sea fever festival has been put back to its original place in the last weekend of August
hope so as the roaring forties are booked and i wouldn't want to miss them!

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02 Jul 03 - 03:48 PM (#975415)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: old git

sorry just seen the date of your original message!!!!!

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02 Jul 03 - 07:01 PM (#975542)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: brid widder

I'm REALLY disappointed... I opened this thread & read about Les's session at the Kingston & the monthly session at Nellies before I saw the dates of those entries... both sessions have sadly been lost! Nellies, it seems no longer welcomes us and the first sunday session is now at the Sun, the Kingston one totally (& in my opinion cruelly) changed... oh for those happy times!

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09 Jul 03 - 09:38 PM (#980240)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: GUEST,.gargoyle

Since John from Hull - raised you folk to international status - I've been trying to recall HULL'S CLAIM TO FAME....it struck today.

You are folk... with the syphilis research!

Charlotte Roberts, of the University of Durham in England, has been exhuming the syphilis-ravaged skeletons at Hull. The skeletons found in the Hull friary indicate that venereal syphilis really was rampant at Hull. Those skeletons have turned the nice, tidy picture of the "New World" origins into a bloody mess.

There are a multitude of songs about the sick, drip, drip, drip of the syphalictic dick....

Perhaps, we should connect them into this Hull thread.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

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09 Jul 03 - 09:43 PM (#980243)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Bassic

I blame it all on them Vikings9!!

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09 Jul 03 - 10:44 PM (#980268)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Amos

I recall one about a farmer's wide that mentions the place a couple of times:

So the devil he heisted her up on his hump,
And off to Hull with her he did jump....

Then later, when she is so intolerable the devil has to bring her back:

They say that the women are worse than the men,
When they go to Hull they get kicked out again....

Is the sort of thing you were looking for?


A

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10 Jul 03 - 02:17 PM (#980737)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull

just,get,lost,gargoyle-stupif.
havent,you,eber,heard,of,waterson,carthy,then?
were,do,you,think,they,are,from,then,stupig?

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10 Jul 03 - 03:35 PM (#980771)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Les from Hull

It's true about the syphilis. Not that Hull was necessarily the syphilis centre of the universe, but that research here proved that syphilis was endemic in Europe before before that nice Mr Colombus was supposed to bring it back from the New World. He was supposed to have exchanged it for the 'flu, measles, smallpox and miscellaneous nasties that us Europeans wished on the poor defenceless inhabitants (but not for long) of his recent discoveries.

In Amos' song that's just euphemistic for Hell. Oh, I just typed a naughty word.

Les - Pretender to the Throne of Hull.

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10 Jul 03 - 05:36 PM (#980846)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Linda Kelly

It was Syphilis that did for Napoleon's army in Russia.

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10 Jul 03 - 06:48 PM (#980891)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Gareth

Amos - That seems to be the "Farmers Wife", and the version that this Son of Ap Morganw recalls starts,

There was an Old Farmer in Sussex did dwell,
Rifle Rifle, Fol de le la,
And he'd an Old Wife, who was born out of hell,
With a Fol de rediddle eye ah"

BUT, we still havent, unless I've missed it, the words to,

"The Bridge across the Humber"

Gareth

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11 Jul 03 - 04:18 PM (#981466)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: GUEST,Willa

Here they are, Gareth.
thread.cfm?threadid=61142&messages=4

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11 Jul 03 - 07:11 PM (#981558)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Gareth

TA ! using my political knowledge I have suggested two relevant corrections to the posted text.

Gareth

"B*GG*R GOOLE - some of us have to go via Gloucester!

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25 Oct 15 - 01:51 PM (#3746595)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: GUEST,Ian Clark

Great to see the search for songs about Hull. Our contributions on Songs for Humberside in 1968 were an attempt to start to set out what an interesting place Hull is. We were struck by how many pop and standard songs mentioned places in America, Europe and basically everywhere else. As if just because Hull is a city in England it's not mysterious enough to have a song written about it. The collection of songs on that LP speaks for itself but we too put together songs and a poem about the Hull Trawling Disaster on our 3rd LP, Seagulls Ride the Wind. if anyone wants any of the words or chords for any of these please get in touch.
Meanwhile good luck with the search.

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25 Oct 15 - 02:51 PM (#3746604)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Steve Gardham

Hi Ian,
Good to hear you're still with us.
There must have been over 50 songs written about Hull in the last 10 years or so.

Spare Hands have 2 CDs out and a third on the way. Linda Kelly, Brian Nelson, Paul and Liz Davenport, Geoff Laws, Beggar's Bridge, Barry Cundill, all great writers, and plenty of others.

I'll be giving a presentation on Hull traditional songs at Wilberforce House on the 21st Nov.

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26 Oct 15 - 04:10 AM (#3746638)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: GUEST,Iain

http://www.discogs.com/Broadside-The-Rational-Anthem-By-Humbers-Brown-Water-The-Songs-Of-John-Conolly-And-Bill-Meek/release/5113

There are a couple of songs on this album indirectly about Hull, e.g. farewell to the lincoln castle

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26 Oct 15 - 07:03 AM (#3746648)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: GUEST,Georgina Boyes

Mike Waterson also wrote "Cold Coasts of Iceland" about the life of Jim Parkinson (longterm Whitby Festival goers may remember him as "Fish Jim") and the decline of Hull's deep sea fishing. His song "Three Ships" about the loss of the Kingston Peridot, Ross Cleveland and St Romanus in the 1968 Hull Trawler Disaster is a masterpiece.

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26 Oct 15 - 09:30 AM (#3746670)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Jack Campin

We've had a thread about Hull songs before. I posted this to it:

http://mudcat.org/detail_pf.cfm?messages__Message_ID=1762419

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26 Oct 15 - 12:33 PM (#3746693)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Steve Gardham

Hi Iain,
'Farewell to Lincoln Castle' is indeed a great song and it will be on our next CD which is all songs about the Humber waterways. Tom Gaynard is currently learning it. Great tune!

Hi Georgina,
Yes, fond memories of 'Jim the Fish'. Remember the Bank Holiday booksale at the bandstand when Jim was buying books by the yard and chucking em in the back of his fish lorry?

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26 Oct 15 - 10:36 PM (#3746797)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey

Without doubt to my mind the best songs that could be associated with Hull are by Mike.
Also outstanding is Keith Marsden's "Hessle Road".
I went to school at Villa Place, T B Holmes and would have gone on to Bean Street, if I had not passed the 11+, and Mike and Keith's stuff captures the area as it was in the immediate post war days when "we didn't have much money but by god we enjoyed life".

Most of the rest are dross - in my opinion.

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27 Oct 15 - 04:15 AM (#3746825)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: GUEST,Iain

thread.cfm?threadid=36120

songs about hull many years back and one day I will make blue clicky things work for me.

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27 Oct 15 - 08:57 AM (#3746865)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: GUEST,Iain

please forget my last post. Brain has gone on hold for a while

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27 Oct 15 - 11:34 AM (#3746899)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Steve Gardham

Malcolm,
Whilst you are entitled to your opinion, I doubt if you have heard many of those written in the last ten years, and they certainly are not dross in my opinion. They easily match the 2 songs you mention.

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27 Oct 15 - 09:46 PM (#3746981)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: GUEST,Malcolm Storey

Hate to disagree with you Steve but I have probably heard a fair number of the dross presented in the last ten years. I would not have made the comment otherwise.

I only mentioned one song by name and included by definition most of Mike's songs. Pedantry rules!

I stick by my guns.

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28 Oct 15 - 06:20 PM (#3747209)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Steve Gardham

It doesn't really matter what either of us think. Time will tell. 'Three day Millionnaire' has certainly taken off. We sing it. I don't personally know anyone other than Cockersdale members who sing 'Hessle Road' and I was born and brought up on Hessle Road. Geoff Lawes's ''My Sky Sailor' seems to have taken on a life of its own and several of Linda Kelly's songs have been well covered and not only by us.

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10 Dec 15 - 08:04 AM (#3757333)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: GUEST,Guest

It's not actually about Hull but it's a song written by a native of Hull about his first trip to sea (in 1944) on a ship sailing out of Hull for one of the city's biggest ship operating companies (United Towing). Jim Radford's 'Shores of Normandy' qualifies as a Hull sea song in every meaningful sense.

Jim's other well known song, 'The Merchant Seaman' is also not speciifically about Hull but is a tribute to all the Merchant Seamen who sailed in WWII and especially to Hull's (and the UK's) youngest Merchant Navy Officer killed by enemy action during that conflict. Jack Radford (Jim's elder brother) was just seventeen when he got his Marconi Ticket and sailed as a Second Radio Officer (having gone to sea at 14 as a deckie) and his ship, thew SS Cree, was torpedoed in mid Atlantic just a month after his 18th birthday. The city is naturally referenced in the song's lyrics, along with Liverpool, Cardiff, London and various other ports (Jim occasionally varies the lyrics depending on where he is singing).

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10 Dec 15 - 03:41 PM (#3757493)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Steve Gardham

We are proud and honoured to have Jim in our number, but he perhaps ought to be considered more as a national treasure.

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11 Dec 15 - 05:43 AM (#3757625)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: FreddyHeadey

A wry/wistful/painful(none of those words are quite right)
look at being in Hull as a student in the days of Philip Larkin -by Tim Woodhouse, Macclesfield

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11 Dec 15 - 06:58 AM (#3757634)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: GUEST,Baz Parkes

Speaking as someone who once shared a lift with Philip Larkin that is sheer genius...wish I'd come across it before...

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11 Dec 15 - 07:14 AM (#3757637)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Joe Offer

I imagine I'm one of a very few American Mudcatters who has visited Hull. I really enjoyed my visit. If somebody can send me a personal message with an update about John from Hull, I'd appreciate it. I really liked John, and he went out of his way to be nice to me.
I don't think his personal story is a matter for open discussion in the Forum, so please contact me by personal message or email.
Thanks.
-Joe-
[e-mail]

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11 Dec 15 - 09:59 AM (#3757664)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: FreddyHeadey

Worth mentioning the Alan Plater play Land of Green Ginger.  
That is a link to youtube -BBC 1972 with Watersons tracks, Gwen Taylor & John Flanagan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgwRC6ZzQGY

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11 Dec 15 - 11:10 AM (#3757681)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Les from Hull

Email sent Joe.

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11 Dec 15 - 12:47 PM (#3757693)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: The Sandman

thanks,freddy

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11 Dec 15 - 02:41 PM (#3757734)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: The Sandman

we let em get away with it. quote from the play

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11 Dec 15 - 05:50 PM (#3757769)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: GUEST,oggie

Harry Eddom by Bill Meek.

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13 Mar 16 - 09:02 AM (#3778496)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: GUEST,Michael Martin Farrah

'Hull Is Where The Heart Is', by Michael Martin Farrah.
Number ONE on the music site Reverbnation.
All songs written, arranged, produced and performed by
Michael Martin Farrah.

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16 Mar 16 - 06:52 PM (#3779322)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Joe Offer

Up above, Ian Clark posted and offered to furnish lyrics for one of his albums. Somebody emailed me and asked me to put him in contact with Ian to get those lyrics.
Can anyone send me contact information for Ian Clark or Chris Rowe?
Thanks.

-Joe Offer-
[e-mail]

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17 Mar 16 - 05:32 AM (#3779385)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: GUEST,Musket

🎼Always shit on the north end of the bridge.

(A popular song on the terraces of Grimbsy Town FC.)

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17 Mar 16 - 06:38 AM (#3779394)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: FreddyHeadey

There is mention here of the death of Chris Rowe ~2001
and fwiw a pipex email address for Ian in a post of 2009

http://www.goole-on-the-web.org.uk/main.php?page=song

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18 Mar 16 - 07:53 AM (#3779559)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: GUEST,Musket

Yeah, I should have added that.

I was working in Hull when the 2017 culture was announced. I pointed out that although another contender, Leeds, had the only Harvey Nich' outside London, Hull trumped it with the largest Primark in the world...

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18 Mar 16 - 10:51 AM (#3779593)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: Jack Campin

Edinburgh also has a Harvey Nicks. And a Primark. And an IKEA. Our dad could beat up Hull's dad in culture any day.

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18 Mar 16 - 11:50 AM (#3779603)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: GUEST,Musket

Oh aye, forgot about auld Reekie. Mrs Musket told me they have one. (she is up there regularly.)

In defence of Hull, their suspension bridge isn't crumbling to bits.

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20 Mar 16 - 05:20 AM (#3779940)
Subject: RE: Songs about Hull
From: GUEST

Hi Joe - and all the other Mudcatters
The pipex bit has gone from the address courtesy of the Talktalk takeover. It's now [e-mail] otherwise still here!
Looking forward to seeing the celebrations next year. Hopefully it will raise Hull's profile nationally and across the world.
Cheers,
Ian Clark

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