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03 Jul 01 - 12:18 PM (#497571) Subject: Welsh speakers - Moel? From: GUEST,leeneia Our band is going to perform a Welsh polka called "Moel yr Wyddfa" for the upcoming St David's picnic. (Forgive me if Wyddfa is spelled wrong - I don't have the actual music handy.) We know that Wyddfa is Mount Snowdon, but what does "Moel" mean? Second question: we may do Llongau Caernarfon. Can anybody tell me in a few words what this air is about? |
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03 Jul 01 - 12:23 PM (#497579) Subject: RE: Help: Welsh speakers - Moel? From: MMario Llongau Caernarfon "This is a story about a young boy standing at the quayside with his mother and he is asking her why he can't join the adventure of sailing." |
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03 Jul 01 - 12:28 PM (#497584) Subject: RE: Help: Welsh speakers - Moel? From: MMario "Moel yr Wyddfa" is translated as "Snowden's Bald Summit" |
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03 Jul 01 - 12:50 PM (#497596) Subject: RE: Help: Welsh speakers - Moel? From: Noreen I've always thought Moel meant mountain. |
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03 Jul 01 - 01:42 PM (#497638) Subject: RE: Help: Welsh speakers - Moel? From: MMario I don't know - I just know what the English translation is on a bunch of web pages I went to. |
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03 Jul 01 - 02:46 PM (#497695) Subject: RE: Help: Welsh speakers - Moel? From: pavane Mountain is Mynydd (munnuth to us English) |
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03 Jul 01 - 03:29 PM (#497714) Subject: RE: Help: Welsh speakers - Moel? From: Matthew Edwards I have been waiting for Llanfair to lleap in here, and explain to us the complexities of the Welsh language. Consonants undergo strange mutations so that foel as in Foel Fenlli, becomes moel as in Moel Siabod,but both mean "bare, or bald hill". Mynydd means mountain, but there is nevertheless a subsidiary summit of Cader Idris called Mynydd Moel! Yr Wyddfa is of course Snowdon,meaning "the mound or tumulus", and BTW you should never, ever refer to Mount Snowdon. Speaking from a lifetime's experience of walking the Welsh hills and mountains, I can only add that Welsh placenames can be a minefield for the unwary, and I have more than once climbed the wrong mountain due to topographical confusion, or as my little sister pointed out "You're lost, aren't you." |
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03 Jul 01 - 03:31 PM (#497718) Subject: RE: Help: Welsh speakers - Moel? From: BanjoRay I always thought moel meant breast. The mountain Moelwyn Mawr means large white breast. Its a bit like the scottish hill of a very familiar shape called the Pap of Glencoe - a friend of mine always wanted to go up and fondle the summit cairn. If I'm wrong, please don't tell me - it'll spoil my dreams and fantasies, and I'll never be able to look at certain mountains in the same way again. Cheers |
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03 Jul 01 - 07:02 PM (#497866) Subject: RE: Help: Welsh speakers - Moel? From: Penny S. Isn't Malvern something like Moel Fryn? And it's not that shape, unless you're driving up the M5 past the Mendips and see it end on. Penny |
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03 Jul 01 - 07:17 PM (#497871) Subject: RE: Help: Welsh speakers - Moel? From: kendall I thought it was a Rabbi who performed circumcisions. |
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04 Jul 01 - 05:03 AM (#498098) Subject: RE: Help: Welsh speakers - Moel? From: Llanfair I'm on holiday in Llandudno, and using a PC at the library, so I asked the librarian! Moel means "bare". The "wyn"(male) means "breast", "wen" being the female. Oh yes, and Bron means "white" Cheers, Bron. |
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04 Jul 01 - 07:08 AM (#498127) Subject: RE: Help: Welsh speakers - Moel? From: sian, west wales Bron, you got that mixed up. Gwyn / Gwen (mutated - wyn / wen) is white and bron is breast. Moel is bald and, when used in conjuction with a mountain, it's the bare summit of a mountain. Moel mutates to Foel when preceded by "Y" (which is sometimes dropped on maps which have been created at some point by non-Welsh speakers) Yr Wyddfa is the actual mountain, and Eryri is Snowdonia. sian |
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04 Jul 01 - 07:14 AM (#498132) Subject: RE: Help: Welsh speakers - Moel? From: BanjoRay Wrong, Bron - Bron means breast (or chest)- I thought you'd know that! Wen is feminine white, Wyn is masculine white. You are, however, correct about moel - it means bare or bald. There go my lustful dreams of the hills. Cheers |
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04 Jul 01 - 01:13 PM (#498365) Subject: RE: Help: Welsh speakers - Moel? From: GUEST,leeneia I'm back. Thank you all very much for the information and speculation. Practice is Friday and the extravaganza is Saturday. |
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05 Jul 01 - 09:24 AM (#498879) Subject: RE: Help: Welsh speakers - Moel? From: Llanfair I was just testing!!! Sorry, it's the confusion I get after spending 48 hours with the Aged P's......forgetfulness is catching!!! Chreers, Bron. |