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28 Jul 01 - 08:06 PM (#516851) Subject: Help! Need words for impossible song!!! From: WindLass 1 Hey everybody!! If anybody can get me the words to "What A Mouth" on John and Tony's Spencer the Rover album. you would rock! I really need those lyrics if anybody can help me out. Thanx. steph glover |
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28 Jul 01 - 08:19 PM (#516857) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Help! Need words for impossible song From: Barry Finn Sorry Windlass 1 no help here but it's nice to see that you're in the cyber area & not treading water somewhere. John keeps an eye open over this way, maybe he'll see this & caan lend you a hand. Hope we'll see you in Oct if you can make the DC getaway again. Best of luck, Barry |
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29 Jul 01 - 12:54 AM (#516962) Subject: ADD: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth) From: SeanM I hope this is the one you're looking for. This version of the lyrics is from the "Sons of Anachreon" website, and match pretty closely to what I remember hearing in pretty much every version I've heard. Don't have the author, but I've been told it's Victorian era music hall or somesuch. It's not in the DT as of yet. I know there are also more verses... I could only find this one via google.
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29 Jul 01 - 01:23 AM (#516975) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Help! Need words for impossible song From: Malcolm Douglas A Harry Champion song, I think. He was born William Crump in Shoreditch in 1866, and after a brief career as Will Conray went on to achieve great success with songs like Boiled Beef and Carrots and Henery the Eighth until his death in 1942. I feel sure I have more of this song, but I'm damned if I can remember where... |
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29 Jul 01 - 01:31 AM (#516978) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Help! Need words for impossible song From: SeanM I've got a longer version that includes Jimmy's death, from falling asleep in the road and having a coal deliveryman mistake his mouth for a coal chute. I think there may be another verse or two... alas, a good chunk of my CDs are still in storage. I've NO idea where the disc is... M |
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29 Jul 01 - 01:57 AM (#516979) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Help! Need words for impossible song From: wysiwyg Thank you all, you have made my night. Really! ~Susan |
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29 Jul 01 - 04:11 AM (#516995) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Help! Need words for impossible song From: GUEST Usually sung in cockney, so 'Wot a marf, wot a marh, wotta Norf 'n Sarf Blimey wot a marf e's got When 'e wos a byby, cor Lor' luv 'im 'is por ol' muvver use ter feed 'im wiv a shovel |
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29 Jul 01 - 04:22 AM (#516999) Subject: RE: Help! Need words for impossible song - What a Mouth! From: pavane Recorded in the 1950's by Tommy Steele I believe |
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29 Jul 01 - 09:31 AM (#517103) Subject: RE: Help! Need words for impossible song - What a Mouth! From: Jeri I did sort of learn this from the singing of John Roberts and Tony Barrand on the previously mentioned album. Here are more verses I remember. DANGER: Possible Folk Process at Work! These a quite likely to be a bit off. Please note also, I've made no attempt to write in Cockney because I don't know how to speak Cockney (although I can understand a bit) and would mess it up.
_____? (I mumble this bit when singing in the car)low cor lummer
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29 Jul 01 - 11:36 AM (#517148) Subject: RE: Help! Need words for impossible song - What a Mouth! From: GUEST Think Chas and Dave also recorded this one. |
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29 Jul 01 - 12:36 PM (#517174) Subject: RE: Help! Need words for impossible song - What a Mouth! From: R! And the last verse has Jim in bed with his Mrs creating such a racket with his snoring that the old Dutch clock falls off the shelf and into old Jim's mouth. "And all the neighbors think it prime, to something something something Jim starts to chime." Can't find my copy of it. |
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30 Jul 01 - 02:03 AM (#517509) Subject: RE: Help! Need words for impossible song - What a Mouth! From: WindLass 1 hey everybody!! thanx for your help! i know something from what john has written in the liners to spencer the rover in the new re-release of the album. here's what John says. " A cockney music hall song, is somewhat streamlined from the original,which was written by R.P. Weston in 1906. It was sung by Harry Champion who made famous 'Any Old Iron' and 'I'm Henry the 8th I am' I think our version came from Tommy Steele." That's all he wrote about it. If anybody has any other info about the song, please email it to me. my email addy is glovercymru@yahoo.com thanx! steph |
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30 Jul 01 - 02:52 AM (#517519) Subject: RE: Help! Need words for impossible song - What a Mouth! From: Mark Cohen Ah, Jeri, you beat me to it. Serves me right for going to Denver to bring my daughter back for two weeks on the island... The way I heard the first line of that verse is, "Oh, a mouth so large, cor, Lord, cor, lummy" -- maybe some of our English friends can tell us whether that makes sense to them. And a very minor correction: On John and Tony's version, after "coughs up lumps of coke" there is a cough. The "OY!" or "'EY!" or syllable to that effect comes at the very end of the song. Otherwise, spot on. Aloha, Mark |
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30 Jul 01 - 03:01 AM (#517523) Subject: RE: Help! Need words for impossible song - What a Mouth! From: SeanM I found my version, off of a Canadian CD by the name of "English Pub Sing-A-Long" (go fig). It's got several verses that aren't up here, but I'm going batty trying to decipher the choral sections... If I get the white bolt of inspiration that allows me to cut through muddy arrangements, I'll be able to post the full version I have. Most of the above verses are in it, though, with a couple others (one about a barmaid, though for the life of me I've no idea what about her). M |
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30 Jul 01 - 03:09 AM (#517527) Subject: RE: Help! Need words for impossible song - What a Mouth! From: Bob Bolton G'day Mark, Of course, that is Cockney - approximating "Oh, a mouth so large, God, Lord, God, love me" - Well, it is according to the Oxford Dictionary equating "cor" with "God" ... But I always took it as (imperfect) rhyming slang for "Lord" (Lord ... Lor' ... cor ...) but then that makes the line "Oh, a mouth so large, Lord, Lord, Lord, love me"... Regard(les)s, Bob Bolton |
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30 Jul 01 - 03:12 AM (#517529) Subject: RE: Help! Need words for impossible song - What a From: Anglo There are lots of verses - as I recall Ian Robb has a pretty full version though I don't think he's recorded it. |
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03 Nov 05 - 08:57 AM (#1596380) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth!) From: GUEST,dantreg@hotmail.com that song was written by my great granfather charlie collings |
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03 Nov 05 - 11:53 AM (#1596546) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth!) From: Big Al Whittle well done charlie! thats what I call a folksong - something sung by real folk! |
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04 Nov 05 - 12:58 AM (#1597037) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth!) From: Mark Cohen Wow...some time ago when I was telling someone about the Mudcat, I said, "It's the kind of place where somebody will ask for the words of a song, and somebody will come up with them, and somebody else will tell about the time he heard Joan Baez sing the song in his parents' living room, and somebody else will add that his grandfather wrote the song." And now it's happened! Or nearly... Please, tell us more about your great-grandfather, if you don't mind. Did he write other songs? (And did he make guitars?) Aloha, Mark |
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04 Nov 05 - 03:59 AM (#1597102) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth!) From: Roger the Skiffler ...further coincidence: this is on a 2-CD Tommy Steele set I got for my birthday, some real "G*d, I'd forgotten that once-I'm glad to say" clinkers, but also some gems (Rock with the Caveman, Singin' the Blues, Handful of songs) from my youth! RtS |
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05 Nov 05 - 03:03 PM (#1598174) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth!) From: Jim Dixon "...his mouth queered him from winning a beauty show..." I never understood those words until now. Many thanks, SeanM, for posting those lyrics (4 years ago). |
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28 Apr 07 - 10:12 AM (#2037923) Subject: Ref: Boiled Beef and Carrots and Henery 8th I am From: GUEST,Eve Guevara-Essex. Both of these songs were actually written by : WILLIAM TOM WOOTTON - which were both one-off creative situations - from his visits to Music Hall and pubs with his friends-where they enjoyed regular sing-songs after work. He was CHURCH STAINED GLASS WINDOW RESTORER - who only loved music and played for pleasure and relaxation at home and with friends. He was born 29-05-1863 - Kilburn but family moved to Poplar. He sold the songsheet rights to both songs for One Shilling - he didn't see his career in music - they were just two inspirationals as a one-off situation. He was very proud and honoured that his songs were wanted at all! He died in 1951 and this matter was often spoken about - he never ever expected his songs to endure as they do. He was VERY proud that they did. He spent his last years with his family in GRAYS Thurrock and JOE BROWN often comes to local Thameside Theatre and even sang the songs! He knew Harry Champion from the music halls. He continued music at home for family and friends throughout his life. He wasn't a business man in any way and did not forsee how thse two songs would become part of cockney foklore. So, he sold all rights for the Shilling - and made good use of that. It is local legend now and known as absolute truth. He also had a choir called THE SINGING GRANDADS - who raised money for charity - when he last lived in East End of London. He was a true community-family Soul. In Truth, Honour and faithfully, Eve Guevara-Sansom - Grays, Essex ceviveguevara@fastmail.fm |
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29 Apr 07 - 05:50 AM (#2038539) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth!) From: Mr Happy Bernard Cribbins had a big hit with it in 1962 See here: http://www.45-rpm.org.uk/dirb/bernardc.htm |
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29 Apr 07 - 07:13 AM (#2038557) Subject: ADD: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth!)^^ From: Muttley Dear Windlass 1 - following is the version I do and it was copied straight from the lyrics of a Tommy Steele songbook. Tommy made the song super-popular in the 60's and sings what is arguably the best-known version of it. ^^ WHAT A MOUTH Oh, Jimmy Bean was a funny looking fellow If he had a bigger mouth, you'd've took him for the cellar But his mouth-- Queered him- From winning a beauty show It was like a steam boat funnel, Or a railway arch, Or the BlackWALL Tunnel, IF you can't- See Jim- When he opens his mouth, YOU'LL know. And as POOR Jim goes walkin' about- You can 'ear the kids all 'ollerin' out- WHAT??? Chorus: What a mouth, What a mouth, What a North and South Blimey, what a mouth he's got. When he was a baby, ME LORD, GAWD LUV 'ER WELL 'is poor old mother used to feed 'im with a shovel What a gap-- Poor chap-- He's never been known to laugh For if he did, it's a penny to a quid That his face would fall in 'alf! He got so drunk one foggy morn He laid in the road and he started to yawn And a poor Old man Was delivering coals close by And as he went to shoot THE load He saw Jim's mouth out in the road Chorus: What a mouth, What a mouth, What a North and South Blimey, what a mouth he's got. Now thE POOR old man bein' a short-sighted fellow WHEN he saw Jim's mouth, he took it for THE cellar And he shot The lot Right into his mouth, no joke Jim poor soul's got a belly full of coal And he coughs up lumps of coke - OI! Have fun with it - Muttley If you need the chords I have those as well. |
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01 May 07 - 10:17 PM (#2040847) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth!) From: Jim Dixon Here's the catalog data from The National Library of Australia: Record ID: 2714446 Author: Weston, R. P. Title: What a mouth [music] / words and music by R.P. Weston. Publisher: Sydney : J. Albert & Son, c1906. Description: 1 score (3 p.) Notes: MUS: N, MUS/E89/142 ; NL, GE 301/2045-3. Collect from: Petherick Reading Room (Music Collection) Call Number: MUS NL mba 783.2 W536 Alas, the sheet music images are not available online, but I believe you can order a copy. |
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02 May 07 - 08:48 AM (#2041181) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth!) From: GUEST Another Verse Now Jimmy bean one night was snoring and the neighbours all around thought a lion was roaring when a big dutch clock that was hanging on the bedroom wall fell from it's nail into his big mouth, wallop Jim awoke and cried send for Dr Jollop said his wife, no fear you've swallowed the clock that's all And when he's out well ain't it prime folks look down his throat to tell the time Wat a mouth..... The word lummer mentioned earlier sonds like a word my Nan used to use but that was Lummey |
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02 May 07 - 09:06 AM (#2041200) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth!) From: GUEST just revisited the first verse Jimmy Bean(Binks)would be an 'andsome fella if 'e 'ad anover face and a different smeller It's 'is marf, queers Jim from winning in a beauty show his marf is like a steam boat funnel, Or a railway arch, Or the Blackwell tunnel, And you can't- See Jim- When 'e opens it wide, you know |
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02 May 07 - 09:17 AM (#2041204) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth!) From: Mr Happy 'Or the Blackwell tunnel,' maybe should be 'Blackwall' tunnel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwall_tunnel |
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02 May 07 - 10:54 PM (#2041874) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth!) From: TRUBRIT And John Roberts sang this at his house concert at Sinsull's - I thought I was the only person in the world who still remembered that song.........good to know that I am by far not the only one!!!! |
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03 May 07 - 04:16 AM (#2042000) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth!) From: GUEST I stand corrected Mr Happy, you are of course right, thank you |
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03 May 07 - 04:33 PM (#2042617) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth!) From: RoyH (Burl) I recall from my childhood hearing this song on the wireless (radio) sung by a duo called 'The Two Bills From Bermondsey'. I'm willing to bet its still somewhere in the BBC archives. |
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04 Apr 08 - 01:47 PM (#2306603) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth!) From: Waddon Pete A great song...but we have yet to have the finale! After the neighbours look down his throat the song finishes with.... What a mouth, what a mouth, What a north and south Blimey what a mouth he's got! Well all night long that clock kept ticking, Down in his tummy like a lot of sherbet fizzing! And his wife, What strife, She can't sleep a wink - that's right! Coz against his tum she can hear the pendulum Going ticka-ticka tock all night! (Thanks Mum!) Enjoy! Best wishes, Peter |
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04 Apr 08 - 05:08 PM (#2306741) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth!) From: Melissa looks like an mp3 here: http://www.trasksdad.com/MusicHall/musiclist.html |
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05 Apr 08 - 05:19 PM (#2307798) Subject: ADD: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth!) From: The Vulgar Boatman Not even sure where I found this now, but the second verse seems to fit the tune better. Hope it helps. The reference to Lord Lovell would be what was once called a "minced oath", both for the rhyme (= shovell) and possibly for the benefit of the Lord Chamberlain. Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth) Old Jimmy Bean was a funny looking fellow If he had a bigger mouth, you'd've took him for the cellar But his mouth-- Queered him- From winning a beauty show Oh, it was like a steam boat funnel, Or a railway arch, Or the Blackwall tunnel, And you can't- See Jim- When he opens his mouth, you know. And as old Jim goes a-walkin' about- You can 'ear the kids all 'ollerin' out- Chorus: What a mouth, What a mouth, What a North and South Blimey, what a mouth he's got. When he was a baby, Oh Lord Lovell, His poor old mother used to feed 'im with a shovel What a gap-- Poor chap-- He's never been known to laugh For if he did, it's a penny to a quid That 'is face would fall in half… What a mouth, what a mouth, Oh Lor, Oh Lumme He can whisper in his own ear, ain't that funny, And to quench His thirst, He takes a little drink you know, He got so drunk one foggy night He lay down in the road Just as a poor Old man Came round delivering coal… And as he went to shoot the load – He saw Jim's mouth there in the road – What a mouth, what a mouth, What a North and South, Blimey what a mouth he's got, That poor old man bein' a short sighted fellah Well he saw Jim's mouth and he took it for the cellar And he shot The lot, Right into Jim's mouth, no joke, Jim poor soul's got a belly full of coal And he coughs up lumps of coke. |
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14 May 08 - 03:12 PM (#2340552) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth!) From: GUEST,scruffles cheers guys! we used to sing it primary school and i've been wanting to find it for a friend who performs old music hall tunes. can't believe i stumbled on a 7 year long answer to my very question.. and in under 5 minutes! outstanding X |
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06 Aug 08 - 12:54 PM (#2406690) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth!) From: GUEST,Flitch The various versions above demonstrate how a relatively simple verse can be altered over time by people mishearing the words. I do NOT claim that what follows is the definitive version but it is a true copy of the version sung by Tommy Steele according to the website (now disappeared) from which I copied it. I hope you would agree that without references to Lord Lovell (?) and the alteration from mouth to "race" (boat race = face) the lines make somewhat more sense. I have used onomatopoeia to convey the delivery, if not the sound, of Tommy Steele and Harry Champion. Tommy Steele took his calling seriously, taking every opportunity, before the death of Music Hall, to sit with the "greats" and learn all he could about timing and presentation. Anyway, here goes: Oh, Jimmy Bean wos a funny-lookin' feller If he'd 'ad a bigger marf (mouth) you'ld've took it for the cellar But 'is race queered (stopped) 'im from winnin' a beauty show Oh it wos like a steam boat funnel, or a railway arch or the Blackwall Tunnel An' yer couldn't see Jim when 'e opened 'is marf yer know An' as poor Jim goes walkin' abart (about), you can 'ear the kids orl 'oller and shart (shout) Wot a marf, wot a marf, wot a norf (North) an' sarf (South), blimey wot a marf 'e's got When 'e wos a baby, Oh Gawd luv 'er 'is pore ol' Mum 'ad ter feed 'im wiv a shovel Wot a gap, poor chap - 'e's never been known ter larf 'cos if 'e did, it's a penny to a quid that 'is face would fall in 'arf. 'is marf wos so large, oh Lor' lumme (love me) 'e can whisper in 'is own ear - ain't that funny an' ter quench 'is first (thirst), nar (now) 'e's gotta take a drink o' mine 'e got so drunk one foggy morn, 'e laid in the road an' started ter yawn, An' a pore ol' man wos deliverin' coals nearby An' as 'e went to dump 'is load, 'e saw Jim's marf art (out) in the road, Wot a marf, wot a marf, wot a norf an' sarf, blimey wot a marf 'e's got Nar (now) the pore ol' bloke bein' a short sighted feller When 'e sore (saw)Jim's marf, 'e took it for the cellar an' 'e shot the lot right inter Jim's marf - no joke, Nar Jim, pore sole's gotta belly full of coal an' 'e coughs up lumps of coke! |
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13 Sep 08 - 11:41 PM (#2439717) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth!) From: GUEST,morethanjazz we had the 78rpm two bills from bermondsey. I personally think that Tommy Steele makes a hash of it. The 78rpm started "jimmy spinks..." I think(s) Steve |
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23 Sep 08 - 06:07 PM (#2448492) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth!) From: GUEST,jim I recently purchased from a car boot sale an old 78rpm Parlophone record No:R3953, feturing the Two Bills from Bermondsey, singing What a Mouth, written by R.T.Weston. My interest was researching who these two people were and what happened to them? I have not played this so do know the exact lyrics, but with the right equipment it could be transfered to CD, which unfortunately I do not have, but would be happy co-operate with this if it would help with your research and it would be great if Burl and your other repliers could also hear it, if this could be done? regards jim |
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28 Sep 08 - 08:13 AM (#2452061) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth!) From: GUEST,Chris I can add the 'barmaid' verse and part of verse two (when Jim was a baby): Jimmy'd often need to wet his whistle Down at the bar at the Rose and Thistle With a thirst like his he'd drink a hundred pots First a hundred pints of beer he'd swallow And then cos his teeth at the back were all hollow He'd still have room for a dozen or so rum tots A new barmaid came there one night She saw Jim's mouth and screamed with fright WHAT A MOUTH ..... When she saw Jim's mouth the barmaid hollered Cos a pewter pot he'd accidentally swallowed It was hot, that pot, it melted and now he sits Down by the fire with a little bit of wire And hooks up two bob bits AND.....can someone help me with this? .....I'll never forget the morning he cut his first tooth .................. .....took him to the chemist's, and it's the truth They could not get inside the door Till they shut that baby's mouth, Oh Lor' WHAT A MOUTH .... As baby's a-teething, said his mummy, Please, sir, can I have a penny rubber dummy? Said the cove, 'By Jove', as he sucked a big jujube 'There's no rubber dummy for a penny that'll fit You need a tuppeny tube!' |
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02 May 09 - 06:55 PM (#2623301) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth!) From: GUEST,carol i m fasinated, i was only lookin for this for a friend who could only remember two to three lines. I can give her a few more now, ace. |
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17 Sep 09 - 10:39 AM (#2725331) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth!) From: GUEST,Di in Chatham, NJ (originally of Cheam, Surr "cor lumme" and "lor luvya" have nothing to do with any Lordship - this song is of and for the people (yay!) They are both corruptions of "Lord (i.e. God) love me" or "Lord love you". If you enjoy seeing the full versions of cockney slang, read the scene in PYGMALION where Eliza speaks straight cockney slang in a polished upper class accent. "Lord love you" is there and other well known cockneyisms. There is a rumor that "bloody" is a contraction of "by Our Lady" and this in turn evolved into "bleeding" which at the time (up to about World War One) was a very shocking expression, as was "lousy" - not to be uttered in polite society. I suspect that the F-word may be on the brink of being considered merely emphatic rather than shocking and unacceptable in polite society, so now the question, and I hesitate to ask it, is: what will be next????? I'm off now to research another song beloved of my Dad (who fought in that Great War) - he loved Harry Champion, Stanley Holloway ("With her head tucked underneath her arm ...")and whoever it was who sang "There was an old sow who had six little pigs ..." |
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17 Sep 09 - 06:52 PM (#2725683) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth!) From: Bill D I heard Dave Diamond (those who go to the FSGW Getaway know him)sing this almost 30 years ago... most of it is pretty much like he did it. |
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01 Feb 10 - 06:42 AM (#2827097) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth!) From: GUEST,Dave Collier Di in Chatham NJ originally of Cheam: It was Leslie Sarony in Suzanna's a Funicle Man I think you'll be referring to regarding the six little piglets. Difficult to write the words as you need snorting sounds. Seems to be a number of variations on the words, Leslie Sarony was a popular version. See thread 6787, though Sarony's words are a bit different from that. |
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23 Jan 11 - 02:36 PM (#3080840) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth!) From: GUEST,Alan Kinghorn Re Leslie Sarony, the record is called "The Old Sow" Leslie Sarony with male voice quartette, recorded in Feb 1934. The version I have eas re-released on a CD set called Vintage British Comedy on Fastforward Music,1 Sorrel Horse Mews, Ipswich, Suffolk, IP4 1LN or E-mail: sales@fastfordwardmisic.co.uk - the cd set was issued in 2004. What a mouth on in the set. |
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23 Jan 11 - 02:39 PM (#3080842) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Jimmy Bean (What a Mouth!) From: GUEST,Alan Kinghorn [Small correction to the above posting - lat line] Re Leslie Sarony, the record is called "The Old Sow" Leslie Sarony with male voice quartette, recorded in Feb 1934. The version I have eas re-released on a CD set called Vintage British Comedy on Fastforward Music,1 Sorrel Horse Mews, Ipswich, Suffolk, IP4 1LN or E-mail: sales@fastfordwardmisic.co.uk - the cd set was issued in 2004. What A Mouth is not in the set. |
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02 Feb 13 - 12:51 AM (#3474752) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: What a Mouth (Harry Champion) From: GUEST,Lisa The chorus to this song was a poem that I learned in childhood called "Epitaph on a Marf" It says its written by anonymous. So I wonder if your song writer took that poem and expounded on it? Very interesting! |