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07 Aug 01 - 03:55 PM (#522829) Subject: This land is your land From: John MacKenzie Yesterday on Radio Scotland there was a programme about Woody's "This Land is your Land". All the good stuff, the history the 2 verses that nobody used to sing, interviews with Pete Seeger etc., all sterling stuff. Then they had Peggy Seeger on, who ran the song and it's sentiments down, and declared that it didn't chime with the times. MY GOD!!! that woman is a professional wet blanket, sometimes I feel that she thinks that if she doesn't approve of anything, then nobody else should. Some of the things she said would have been valid if the song had been written yesterday, but like so many people of the bleeding heart persuasion she was using today's standards to judge yesterdays events. Jock |
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07 Aug 01 - 04:15 PM (#522852) Subject: RE: This land is your land From: kendall Even people who are wrong have a right to their opinion, even name callers. |
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07 Aug 01 - 04:34 PM (#522864) Subject: RE: This land is your land From: Jack the Sailor It's a great song anytime. Much more sung and remembered than the song it was written to satirize, Irving Berlin's "America The Beautiful" |
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07 Aug 01 - 07:23 PM (#523012) Subject: Lyr Add: THIS LAND IS YOUR LAND (Woody Guthrie) From: GUEST
From woodyguthrie.org |
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07 Aug 01 - 07:31 PM (#523022) Subject: RE: This land is your land From: Rick Fielding Hi Giok, do you remember what her actual criticism of it was? Any way to get a transcription? Just curious. Rick |
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07 Aug 01 - 07:36 PM (#523028) Subject: RE: This land is your land From: kendall This land is my land, this land aint your land If you dont get off, I'll blow your head off, I've got a shotgun, and you aint got one, This land was made for only me. |
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07 Aug 01 - 07:39 PM (#523033) Subject: RE: This land is your land From: GUEST Ahh, Kendall I think people like you are what made America great |
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07 Aug 01 - 07:42 PM (#523035) Subject: RE: This land is your land From: kendall Thanks, I think? |
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07 Aug 01 - 07:49 PM (#523041) Subject: RE: This land is your land From: GUEST I don't really know what I meant either :-) Anyway, Kendall, I like your music Kind regards |
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07 Aug 01 - 07:54 PM (#523046) Subject: RE: This land is your land From: kendall thanks again! |
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07 Aug 01 - 08:23 PM (#523066) Subject: RE: This land is your land From: Susan of DT Kendall - that sounds like the girl scout version - girls digging a latrine on someone's land who comes around with a shotgun... |
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07 Aug 01 - 08:28 PM (#523067) Subject: RE: This land is your land From: dick greenhaus It's been a long time since Kendall was a Girl Scout. |
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07 Aug 01 - 08:36 PM (#523075) Subject: RE: This land is your land From: GUEST but how long has it been since he was scouting girls???? |
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07 Aug 01 - 11:30 PM (#523175) Subject: RE: This land is your land From: Sourdough I never met Woody Guthrie but I did have a chance to go to Brighton Beach and interview Marjorie Guthrie. It must have been about twenty-five years ago. The thrust of the interview was not so much about Woody's music as it was about Huntington's Chorea, the disease that took his health and then his life. Marjorie was a remarkable woman. She had performed with Martha Graham and still had the tiny waist of a dancer. She was often over shadowed by the memory of her husband but she started the Committee to Combat Huntington's Chorea and devoted the rest of her life to it. She was very successful in raising money for research, for providing comfort to the afflicted and their families and educating physcians. Knowing that any of Woody's children had a 50-50 chance of coming down with Huntngton's in early middle age. She was fighting for her children as well as for all the families afflicted with a vastly misunderstood disease. In fact, according to Marjorie, thee weren't even firm figures on its prevalance. She had a young man at the house, helping out. He was clearly there to particpate somehow in the life of Woody Guthrie and Bob Dylan. He did odds and ends around the place. I was doing a documentary about genetic disease for a PBS science series and Marjorie was good enough to give me a day of her time. Many of the stories she told me can be found in books and articles but I was curious about her reaction to "Alice's Restaurant", in particular the hospital scenes. She explained that the movie hadn't been very accurate. She talked a lot about that time. Woody was living at the hospital but would come out on weekends to stay at the house. He would appear on (I think it was) Oscar Brand's Sunday afternoon radio show which Woody loved doing. However, his disease progressed and (I am hazy on some of the details) he was moved down to Brooklyn Downstate Hospital. When he was moved to the new hospital, he could barely communicate. It had become hard for him to talk. My guess that it was because of a shortage of money that Woody was placed in a ward. Since the people at that time knew so little about Huntington's, he was in a ward with people who had some pretty strange symptoms, many psychological. He did manage to communicate to the hospital staff that he used to have a national radio show, that he had been asked by President Roosevelt to write songs about the Grand Coulee Dam. He had even had his autobiography published. They didn't believe him. Given the circumstances, they thought his undetailed statements were a symptom of his illness. He asked Marjorie for a copy of "Bound For Glory" that he could give to the doctors. He didn't want them to think he was an empty braggart. She had a copy sent to the hospital. Of course, when the next weekend came around and she was back to visit, she asked Woody if he had gotten the book. He nodded that he had. "Did you give it to the doctors?" Woody could no longer put together long sentences. His answer was a simple, "Nope". Marjorie was surprised. She said, Woody, why not?" He pointed to the man lying in the next bed and managed to get out, "He ate it". "That's the kind of place it was", she said, "not like what was in Arlo's movie." She went on to make sure that I understood that she hadn't meant any real criticism of Arlo about his prettying up his father's last days in the hospital. "That was Arlo's movie," she said. "When I make my own movie, though, it will be different." Marjorie sat in a piano bench for the interview and I sat on a little stool in the living room witht he camera shooting over my shoulder. When we were done, Marjorie said, "You might be interested to know that Woody used to write his songs on that stool." Whew, I was! Sourdough I am going to have to go to the storeroom and see if I can find that old interview. It's on film though. Maybe I can find a pair of rewinds and a sound reader. |
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08 Aug 01 - 12:09 AM (#523213) Subject: RE: This land is your land From: JedMarum Great story Sourdough. I hope you find that interview and digitize for the Mudcat library! Thanks. |
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08 Aug 01 - 12:14 AM (#523217) Subject: RE: This land is your land From: Sorcha WOW!! |
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08 Aug 01 - 12:29 AM (#523227) Subject: RE: This land is your land From: Big Mick Sourdough, I love that bit and would do about anything to see that tape. Who was the young man you mentioned? Thanks for one of those wonderful Mudcat moments. All the best, Mick |
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08 Aug 01 - 12:43 AM (#523234) Subject: RE: This land is your land From: Sourdough Big Mick, I don't know who the guy working at the house was but I have a vague memory that he was amusing himslef by playing the harmonica outside. This documentary was a fairly big budget project and it was shot on film. I have the original film but it is the kind where the sound tracks are on separate reels and it needs a special kind of projector that handles both and keeps the pic and sound in sync. That reminds me of a piece of movie trivia that some Mudcatters ma not know already. On one of his earlier movies, Lucas was in the mix studio where they take the picture and marry it to a single strand of audiofilm with everything at the proper level. This is a fairly complex operation with the various ("R") reels of picture, the dialog ("D") tracks, sound effects tracks, music tracks, etc. Mix time is fairly expensive so you try to keep things moving right along. A verbal shorthand (I love to mix metaphors and to do it while descrivbing a mix studio is a special achievement!) has developed. If you were to reference a particular reel of picture, you might call out "Reel Four" and if you wanted to hear the sound on a particular dialogue track you might call for "D Three". As I understand it, Lucas was at a mix and heard someone ask for "R-2, D-2", He thought it had a great sound to it. Sourdough |
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08 Aug 01 - 02:28 PM (#523679) Subject: RE: This land is your land From: John MacKenzie Rick It's one of a series that Radio Scotland is doing called "Protest Songs" next week is "Strange Fruit", so you can guess that the mixture is eclectic. If you want I'll try and get some background for you, the Radio Scotland site can be accessed through www.bbc.co.uk and follow the links. Jock |
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08 Aug 01 - 07:56 PM (#523955) Subject: RE: This land is your land From: paddymac Tommy Makem did a nice set of "Irish" lyrics for the song. The lyric Kendall posted about sounds as though it could well have flowed from the pen of Ian Paisley or David Trimble. (Sorry. Just couldn't resist) |
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08 Aug 01 - 08:50 PM (#524003) Subject: RE: This land is your land From: catspaw49 Absolutely GREAT story 'Dough.......I am once again amazed at the spectrum of your life! Spaw |
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09 Feb 02 - 01:08 AM (#645829) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: this is my land? words by Guthrie From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) The tune used by Woody Guthrie for This Land is Your Land "was "When the World's On Fire," by the Carter Family; not their "Amazing Grace" as stated in the DT. This old gospel tune is included in the honkingduck.com amazing collection of 78s. |
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09 Feb 02 - 01:35 AM (#645836) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: this is my land? words by Guthrie From: masato sakurai The Carter Family's "When the World's On Fire" was recorded May 24, 1930. Charles Wolfe notes: "When the World's On Fire, featuring Maybelle's steel guitar, used a tune learned from Lesley Riddle, grafted to words done by the Carters" (Notes to The Carter Family: In the Shadow of Clinch Mountain, Bear Family, p. 53). ~Masato
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09 Feb 02 - 10:29 AM (#645961) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: this is my land? words by Guthrie From: masato sakurai "When The World's On Fire" was also sung by Bryant's Jubilee Quartet (audio clip is HERE), Norfolk Jazz & Jubilee Quartet (HERE as "What You Going To Do When The World's On Fire"), Birmingham Jubilee Singers (HERE as "What You Gonna Do When The World's On Fire"), and Elder Curry/Elder Beck (HERE; piano version). ~Masato |
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09 Feb 02 - 01:03 PM (#646058) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: this is my land? words by Guthrie From: Bill D not even looking to see if this verse is in the DT...I just want to see it here: from the viewpoint OF the Native Americans
"This land is my land, it is not your land, |
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09 Feb 02 - 03:21 PM (#646119) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: this is my land? words by Guthrie From: wysiwyg *G* And WTWOF was probably a negro spiritual first. We're doing it tonight. ~S~ |
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10 Feb 02 - 06:25 AM (#646428) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: this is my land? words by Guthrie From: GUEST,Annegi A version of this has now become a football song for Glasgow Celtic. I was able to impress my son by singing the 'real' song to him. Is this maintaining the 'oral' tradition? |
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10 Feb 02 - 07:07 AM (#646434) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: this is my land? words by Guthrie From: GUEST Does anyone have the lyrics for the Glasgow Celtic version? |
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10 Feb 02 - 08:17 AM (#646447) Subject: Lyr Add: WHEN THE WORLD'S ON FIRE From: masato sakurai Here're four transcriptions of "When the World's On Fire" by The Carter Family. Is (3) with (4) the best? The recording is HERE (Dicho's link).
(1) WHEN THE WORLD'S ON FIRE
[INSTRUMENTAL BREAK]
Oh, my loving mother, when the world's on fire
I'm going to heaven when the world's on fire
[INSTRUMENTAL BREAK]
Oh, my loving brother, when the world's on fire
Oh, my loving sinner, when the world's on fire
[INSTRUMENTAL BREAK]
Don't you want to go to heaven when the world's on fire
From HERE)
(2) When The World's On Fire
O my loving mother when the world's on fire
I'm going to heaven when the world's on fire
O my loving brother.....
O my loving sinner.....
Don't you want to go to heaven......
(From HERE)
(3) WHEN THE WORLD'S ON FIRE
Oh my loving mother
I'm going to Heaven
Oh my loving brother...
Oh my loving sinner...
Don't you want to go to heaven...
(From The Carter Family: In the Shadow of Clinch Mountain, Bear Family)
(4) Comment on (3) above:
"throughout: Rocks NOT Rock" ~Masato |
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10 Feb 02 - 11:39 AM (#646538) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: this is my land? words by Guthrie From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) There is a Canadian version as well. |
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10 Feb 02 - 11:43 AM (#646540) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: this is my land? words by Guthrie From: masato sakurai The melody is rather different, but a version (WHAT YOU GONNA DO WHEN THIS WORLD'S ON FIRE?; MP3) was recorded during The John and Ruby Lomax 1939 Southern States Recording Trip. It has been transcribed by Dicho HERE. ~Masato
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10 Feb 02 - 11:57 AM (#646548) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: this is my land? words by Guthrie From: Kaleea "This Land Is Your Land" used to be the very first song in the elementary music books for about 4th or 5th grade. It was taught, along with much other traditional American music in the public schools. It is very sad for me to see that someone has to go looking for the lyrics to this great American song by one or our composers' laureate, and does not remember them from school. Thanks, catters for having a place where we can keep Traditional music alive, and pass it on to others. |
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10 Feb 02 - 02:18 PM (#646637) Subject: ADD: God Blessed America (Woody Guthrie-original) From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) I doubt that the version used in the public schools was the one written by Woody Guthrie. His original 1940 MS has shown up on the internet. I reproduce it here because it is important to the folk song era. Website Here [GOD BLESSED AMERICA] This Land Was Made For You And Me (Woody Guthrie 1940 manuscript) This land is your land, this land is my land From [the] California to the [Staten] New York Island, From the Redwood Forest, to the Gulf stream waters, [God blessed America for me.] As I went walking that ribbon of highway And saw above me that endless skyway, And saw below me the golden valley, I said: [God blessed America for me.] I roamed and rambled and followed my footsteps To the sparkling sands of her diamond deserts, And all around me, a voice was sounding: [God blessed America for me.] Was a big high wall there that tried to stop me A sign was painted said: Private Property, But on the back side it didn't say nothing -- [God blessed America for me.] When the sun come shining, then I was strolling In wheat fields waving and dust clouds rolling; The voice was chanting as the fog was lifting: [God blessed America for me.] One bright sunny morning in the shadow of the steeple By the Relief Office I saw my people -- As they stood hungry, I stood there wondering if [God blessed America for me.] * all you can write is what you see. Woody G. N.Y., N. Y., N. Y., Feb. 23, 1940 43rd Street and 6th Avenue Hanover House Crossed out lyrics in [ ]. Website for Guthrie Ms. Here Original 1940 manuscript (click) |
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10 Feb 02 - 02:24 PM (#646644) Subject: ADD: This Land Is Your Land (1952 Guthrie version) From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) THIS LAND IS YOUR LAND 1952: last version recorded by Guthrie This land is your land, this land is my land From the redwood forest to the New York island. From the snow-capped mountains to the Gulf Stream waters This land is made for you and me. As I go walkin' my ribbon of highway I see all around me my blue blue skyway Everywhere around me the wind keeps a-whistlin' This land is made for you and me. I'm a-chasin' my shadow out across the roadmap To my wheat fields waving, to my cornfield dancing As I go walkin' this wind keeps talkin' This land is made for you and me. I can see your mailbox, I can see your doorstep I can feel my wind rock your tip-top treetop All around your house there my sunbeam whispers This land is made for you and me. Words about the sad state of America gone. |
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12 Feb 02 - 05:42 AM (#647942) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: this is my land? words by Guthrie From: masato sakurai "Hide-a Me", posted by Dicho HERE, is a version of "When This World's On Fire." ~Masato |
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13 Feb 02 - 02:35 AM (#648905) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: this is my land? words by Guthrie From: reggie miles Dicho, thanks for the note about Honking Duck! Just listened to Hula Lou by The Carolina Tar Heels. This is absolutely grand! You've made my millenium! |
