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19 Jan 98 - 10:28 PM (#19497) Subject: camp grenada origin? From: Dani Which came first? The chicken or the egg? I heard a piece of classical music the other day that clearly was the music for CAMP GRENADA, but felt sort of silly singing about poison ivy along with the oboes! Anyone know what this piece is and who wrote it? And how Alan Sherman came to steal (er) borrow it? It reminds me of some of the crazy work of Victor Borge. Thanks, Dani |
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19 Jan 98 - 10:54 PM (#19505) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: Barry Don't know much about it except that my mother got Allen Sherman's LP, for my sister & me, "My Son The Folk Singer", when it came out (I think) maybe late 50's & that along with "Matilda" is all I remember about it. Barry |
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20 Jan 98 - 12:25 AM (#19510) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: Joe Offer Oh, that's one of those tunes you just know you're supposed to know - but once you DO know, you wonder why you were supposed to know it. Well, a search of Joe's memory didn't find it, but a Web search did. It's Dance of the Hours (from the opera "La Gioconda") - Amilcare Ponchielli (1834 - 1886). The reason we "older" folkies may have been familiar with the tune before Allan Sherman is that it was featured in Walt Disney's "Fantasia." As I recall, a hippopotamus did a ballet to the tune. By the way, here is the tune. -Joe Offer- |
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20 Jan 98 - 09:12 AM (#19524) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: hanrahan My Son The Folksinger also had...The Ballad of Harry Roth to the tune of Battle Hymn..et al.....Jump Down Spin Around Pick A Dress Of Cotton...Oh Seltzer Boy... Shake Hands With You're Uncle Max Me Boy...and here is is brother Sid..and here's cousin Isabell, thats Irving's oldest kid....if my memory is correct, however that was long ago...but as a kid i loved it....hanrahan |
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20 Jan 98 - 09:51 AM (#19525) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: Dani I am humbled and amazed again. Thanks, Joe. What a resource this is to have at one's fingertips! From a late-night musing to an early morning enlightenment.
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20 Jan 98 - 06:24 PM (#19548) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: Jerry Friedman This will neither humble you nor amaze you, but it's "Camp Granada". Grenada is pronounced like "grenade" with an "a" on the end, and nobody ever heard of it until the Reagan administration. |
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21 Jan 98 - 01:00 AM (#19575) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: Joe Offer Sharp eye, Jerry. And for those interested in "Granada," click here. This is the piece by Albeniz. I swear I know another song called Granada, but I can't find it. -Joe Offer- |
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22 Jan 98 - 06:22 AM (#19682) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: Frank in the swamps Alan Shermans talent for parody was priceless. He borrowed tunes from all over the place. Try this to "Auld Lang Syne"... There is man called Mr. Lang, and he has a neon sign. Now Mr. Lang is very old, so we call it old Lang's sign. He did a parody of "Peter and the Wolf" I don't know how you might find it, I have an old worn out cassette. It's called "Peter and the Commissars" and rips the old Soviet Union. Basically he tells the Prokofiev(?) tale with music and all, about Peter who invents a NEW SONG. But it has to be approved by the appropriate committee, when Peter objects to their "improvements" on his tune the commissars go on to show him how they improved many famous classical works. Pete Tchaikovsky's blues... the Swan Lake theme played blues style with saxaphone and "Peter Gunn" type piano. Beethoven's fifth Cha cha cha... Dixieland march from Aida... And so on. Not a small part of this recordings charm is the fact that the bizzare arrangements of these themes are REALLY, REALLY GOOD! Frank I.T.S.
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22 Jan 98 - 08:27 PM (#19717) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: lli That brings me back...in fifth grade, I sang "hungarian goulash #5" (to Lizst's "Hungarian Rhapsody") in the school talent show...most of my friends have never heard of Alan Sherman, so I explain he was kind of a sixties Weird Al. |
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23 Jan 98 - 05:20 PM (#19773) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: Alice Alan Sherman bringing the Classics to the masses reminds me of all the Bugs Bunny cartoons with classical soundtracks. Do any of you remember the scene where Bugs is giving a shave to Elmer and is up on Elmer's bald head, massaging Elmer's scalp with his toes? And what was the classical music accompanying this barbershop bunny? alice |
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24 Jan 98 - 05:24 PM (#19846) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: Jerry Friedman The overture to Rossini's |
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24 Jan 98 - 10:51 PM (#19868) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: Alice Jerry, The Barber!!! of course!! one of my favorites. thanks.a |
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27 Jan 98 - 01:17 AM (#20000) Subject: Does anyone have words to Camp Grenada? From: Kapper All this talk makes me want to sing this song to my kids who were too young to have heard it. I'd appreciate words... Hello mudda, Hello fadda, Here I am at, Camp Grenada It is very entertaining, etc. |
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27 Jan 98 - 02:18 AM (#20002) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: Joe Offer Hi, Kapper, Seek, and ye shall find - you can use the search box in the upper right corner of this page, and search under the correct (Granada) or incorrect (Grenada) spelling of the camp's name, and you'll find it. Better yet, search under "Camp," and you'll find lots of good stuff. Or, if you're lazy, you can click here. -Joe Offer- |
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27 Jan 98 - 03:44 AM (#20005) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: Gene JOE, I believe Frankie Laine recorded a song by the title of: GRANADA....or GRENADA..???
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27 Jan 98 - 03:29 PM (#20031) Subject: Lyr Add: GRANADA (Lara, Dodd; from Frankie Laine) From: Joe Offer Well, Gene, that wasn't much of a lead, since Frankie laine has recorded every pop song known to man. However, it did kick me off my high horse and led me to realize this was a pop song, not some hifalutin classical song by Albeniz. It was Sinatra's biggest hit of 1961. Music was by Agustin Lara, English lyrics by Dorothy Dodd, copyrighted in 1932. The dawn in the sky greets the day with a sigh for Granada, For she can remember the splendor that once was Granada. It still can be found in the hills all around as I wander along Entranced by the beauty before me, Entranced by a land full of sunshine and flowers and song. And when day is done and the sun starts to set in Granada, I envy the blush of the snow-clad Sierra Nevada. For soon it will welcome the stars as a thousand guitars play a soft habanera; The moonlit Granada will live again the glory of yesterday, romantic and gay. I'll betcha didn't know Allan Sherman's camp was so hi-class, eh? I can picture a pretentious camp director leading the boys and girls in a ridiculous camp anthem set to this tune. -Joe- |
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27 Jan 98 - 03:35 PM (#20034) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: Dennis Wood "sixties Weird Al" !!! Right on! :) DrWord |
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28 Jan 98 - 12:55 AM (#20076) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: Kapper Joe Offer, Thanks for your help. I tried "search", right in front of me but I never noticed it. I'm new to all this. And your "short cut" was most appreciated. I got the tune. Thanks. |
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29 Jan 98 - 08:25 PM (#20234) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca Bugs loved to poke fun at opera. He also did a Wagner take-off. In another, he annoys an opera singer by singing What Do They Do On Rainy Nights In Rio, plunking on a banjo, and disrupting his performance. I suspect that cartoons in those days could refer to opera and be understood because it could be heard on "ordinary" radio in those days. His square-dance routine, where he dosey-dos a couple of rabbit-hunting hillybillies around, is also a classic. I wish I could remember the words he sings to the fiddle tune. Looney Tunes, Merrie Melodies -- fine cartoons. And Fantasia too, for that matter. Beats Sailor Moon.
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29 Jan 98 - 08:32 PM (#20237) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca Speaking of song parodies, I heard on the late Clyde Gilmour's show on CBC an English group from the 1960's called The Mastersingers. (They were teachers) The song was sung like classical sacred music, but the words were a weather report for the UK. Apparently they specialized in this sort of parody. I'd love to find anything by them on CD, although I think Gilmour said he was playing an old 45 from his enormous record collection.(All the music on the show came from his personal collection of tens of thousands of 78's, LP's, 45's, CD's, and what have you.) |
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29 Jan 98 - 09:16 PM (#20241) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: Bruce Johnson And who can forget "Kill the Wabbit" by Elmer Fudd done to the tune of "The Ride of the Valkeries" (sp?) |
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30 Jan 98 - 12:37 AM (#20251) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: Helen Hi all I think I'm about to come out of the cartoon closet and admit to the world that I love those old cartoons. Looney Tunes, Merrie Melodies, Bugs Bunny, etc etc. I sneak into the video shop acting as if I have kids to take these cartoons home to, but it's my own secret addiction I'm feeding. Two of my favourite modern films are Who Killed Roger Rabbit? and Drop Dead Fred ( a sort of live action cartoon), but most other modern cartoon shows are just dry & dull & just plain silly - they do not have that creative genius of the old cartoons. Oh weep & moan for modern day money-motivated art :-( The only modern cartoon I can think of at the moment which is really worth watching is Count Duckula - it has that same strange/weird sense of the ridiculous. Sorry, fcan't forget about Wallace & Gromit, of course. Well, this is all my own opinions, so I suppose other people will disagree with me on some things. But it's nice to know I'm not the only living fan of the older style cartoon genius. Helen |
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30 Jan 98 - 05:26 PM (#20289) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: Jon W. The thing about the old cartoons is that they were shown at the theater before feature movies (now we pay seven dollars to watch advertisements before the movie) so they had to appeal to adults as well as children. They entertained on several levels. The cartoons now are just shown on TV so they only have to entertain children, who have no head for subtlety, and the cartoons only entertain on the lowest possible level. One of my favorites is the one about the singing frog. It's got a lot of ragtime/20's/Charleston type songs in it. Back to Camp Granada, wasn't there a kids card- or board game based on the song? I seem to remember having one for a little while in the mid-60's. |
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30 Jan 98 - 06:52 PM (#20290) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: Helen Jon I know the singing frog cartoon, too. I think the song he sang & danced to was one of my favourites: Hello, my Baby, hello my honey, hello my ragtime gal. Send me a kiss by wire, honey my heart's on fire. If you refuse me honey you'll lose me, then you'll be all alone, so baby telephone, and tell me I'm your own. A really catchy tune. And yes, I agree about the reason why modern cartoons lack that subtle creative genius. By the way, does anyone know a parody on Greensleeves about a man who inherits a music box which plays Greensleeves, so he buys a van and sells ice creams? this might be a British/Australian thing bu ice cream vans used to only play Greensleeves when I was a kid. Helen, in Oz Helen |
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31 Jan 98 - 07:32 AM (#20313) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: Alan of Australia Helen, It's called Creamsleeves & sung by a Western Australian group called The Twilighters. It's about the (fictional) origin of the Mr Whippy vans you might remember trundling around the streets in the 60s playing Greensleeves & selling icecream to kids. The Vietnam war was topical & gets more than a mention. Stay tuned for the words sometime soon. Cheers, |
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01 Feb 98 - 05:19 AM (#20370) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: Helen Thanks Alan A friend of mine promised me the words years ago but she only ever gave me the first verse. It might not make a lot of sense to some people in othr countries.....but in Oz it's a very clever parody. Helen |
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02 Feb 98 - 06:51 PM (#20501) Subject: Lyr Add: CREAMSLEEVES (from The Twiliters) From: Alan of Australia Helen, Here you are, on Mudcat you only have to wait a few days. CREAMSLEEVES
by The Twiliters (Gregg Ferris, Jim Maguire, Kerry White) Poor Grandma died and in her will
I had an idea and quick as a wink
Business was booming, I owned a fleet
Greensleeves at the rooster's crow(slowly with feeling) Last week they shot my best icecream man Today they blew up their nineteenth van For the shopkeepers formed their own Ku Klux Klan And the robes that they wear all have green sleeves.
Now the army's made tanks out of every van
But the army's got problems I'm telling youIndented verses use part B of tune, all other verses use part A.
From "The Twiliters In Concert", Recorded at University of Sydney and University of NSW 1965. This is a great album in the style of the 60s. Impossible to get now of course. I was living in Adelaide at the time and Creamsleeves got pretty high on the hit parades there. . Cheers, |
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02 Feb 98 - 07:38 PM (#20506) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: Helen Alan A thousand thanks (or should that be *tanks*?). I have only ever heard the verses that people remember, and they only sing it about once every ten years. I didn't even know that it was called Creamsleeves. Helen
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26 Sep 03 - 03:45 AM (#1025043) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: GUEST,baziel hi, Camp Grenanda is originally by the Italian composer Amilcare Ponchielli (1834-1886) for his opera "La Gioconda" and it is the ballet music "Danza delle ore" (Dance of the Hours) found within it. Disney i think also used it in fantasia somewhere. |
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26 Sep 03 - 04:05 AM (#1025054) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: Roger the Skiffler Deja vu ain't what it used to be. (or something) RtS |
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26 Sep 03 - 07:49 PM (#1025387) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: GUEST,pdq Probably another dead horse at this point, but the song is called "Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah" and is not on "My Son The Folksinger". I have that LP somewhere along with "Allan In Wonderland" and have never owned a copy of this this song. Allan Sherman: "My Son The Nut " album has "Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah" Warner Brothers LP 1501 1963 |
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27 Sep 03 - 12:00 AM (#1025494) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: LadyJean Alan Sherman also did a parody of Greensleeves, called "Sir Greenbaum" about a Jewish knight. His ladylove was Miss Guenevere Schwartz. Sherman did a parody of Harry Bellafonte's "Matilda" called "My Zelda" Therafter, Bellefonte could not sing "Matilda" without someone in the audience shouting "Zelda". Which is why he sued Alan Sherman. I don't know hwat the verdict was. It should have been thrown out of court. |
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09 Nov 03 - 05:10 PM (#1050769) Subject: Lyr Add: BREV FRÅN KOLONIEN (Cornelis Vreeswijk) From: GUEST,SM Kingma The melody was also used by the late Dutch-Swedish singer/songwriter Cornelis Vreeswijk. In his "Brev från kolonien" he tells the (highly similar) story of a boy sent to summer camp (probably directly inspired by Sherman's version). For those of you who read Swedish: Hejsan morsan, hejsan stabben! Här e brev från älsklingsgrabben. Vi har kul på kolonien, vi bor tjugoåtta gangstergrabbar i en stor barack med massa sängar. Kan ni skicka mera pengar? För det vore en god gärning, jag har spelat bort varenda dugg på tärning. Här e roligt vill jag lova fast än lite svårt att sova. Killen som har sängen över mej han vaknar inte han när han behöver, nej! Jag har tappat två framtänder för jag skulle gå på händer när vi lattjade charader så när morsan nu får se mej får hon spader. Uti skogen finns baciller men min kompis han har piller som han köpt utav en ful typ och om man äter dom blir man en jättekul typ. Föreståndarn han har farit, han blir aldrig vad han varit, för polisen kom och tog hand om honom förra veckan när vi lekte skogsbrand. Uti skogen finns det rådjur, i baracken finns det smådjur och min bäste kompis Tagehan har en liten fickkniv inuti sin mage. Honom ska dom operera. Ja, nu vet jag inget mera. Kram och kyss och hjärtligt tack sen men nu ska vi ut och bränna grannbaracken! |
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27 Dec 03 - 03:10 PM (#1080550) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: GUEST,sean Alan Sherman - My Son the Nut is the Album that Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah was on. On this album was also "Six Foot Two eyes of blue" "Hail to fat People" "Hungarian Ghoulash" and many more. |
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03 Feb 04 - 09:49 AM (#1108144) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: GUEST,mcmilland@autonation.com I remember as a small child seeing a skit on TV, Carol Burnett or Jackie Gleason, I'm not sure. I would like to see the skit "Camp Grenada" again so I could use it for a talent show. The music isn't hard to find but I don't know where to start to see a video. Does anyone remember what Variety show it was early 60's maybe? Thanks |
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14 Mar 04 - 09:34 PM (#1136525) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: GUEST,Eddievh666@aol.com Al's Song CampGrenanda is one of the funniest songs I've ever heard |
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30 Mar 04 - 07:23 PM (#1150527) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: GUEST,Me! The first time I heard Camp Grenada was when I was watching The Simpsons. Homer sees a messege on the answering machine.........Plays it and voila....Its Camp Grenada.......He says something funny.. i think he said "Marge,is Lisa at Camp Grenada?" |
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07 Apr 04 - 11:20 AM (#1156621) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: GUEST,Clark Bahr There was a board game that Allen Sherman endorsed called "Camp Grenada". Milton-Bradley I think. It came out around the time "My Son the Folk Singer" came out. Anyway, you drew cards to go to different destinations on the board picking up rubber lizards, snakes, bugs, etc. along the way. You had to drive the camp bus to each destination. The bus was a little bigger than a Hotwheels bus would be and made of plastic. The front axle would move from side to side as you pushed it along. Attached to the axle was an eccentric cam that, if you got the front wheels too uncentered, would hit the hinged radiator knocking it down ending your turn. It was great fun. The rubber bugs and such weren't the cheap little tokens one gets in todays's games. They were substantial. Up to 5" and really squishy. |
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24 Apr 04 - 01:38 AM (#1169503) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: GUEST,kerrie spike jones...hello mother hello father... find the lyrics at www.stlyrics.com/songs/s/spikejones9866/hellomotherhellofather324007.html. Now what commercal was it used in. |
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24 Apr 04 - 10:48 PM (#1170146) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: EBarnacle Almost all of the songs were created for Sherman's parties and refined with the help of the audience. Once they were ready, they were recorded for release. |
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25 Apr 04 - 12:00 PM (#1170460) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: GUEST,beardedbruce Guest:sean The song is Eight foot two, solid blue... Should I try to bring Alan Sherman records to the Getaway, for research? |
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26 Apr 04 - 08:57 PM (#1171806) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: GUEST,RedPondRanch OK, are my husband and I the only ones who remember that there was (we think) a television show on in the early 60s whose theme song was "Camp Grenada"? Or are we just getting really senile (hope not, we're just in our 40s). It seemed to be about a bunch of kids at a goofy camp (imagine that). If anyone out there remembers this show, tell us more! All we can remember is the theme song. |
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26 Apr 04 - 10:44 PM (#1171868) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: GUEST,.gargoyle PLEASEGive the WORLD-Geographic-Area....you and your husband...."believe" you saw/heard this television program.
Sincerely,
Damn!!!! MAX......JOE.....SUSAN....unless you laydown some simple posting guide-lines.....the value of this site as a viable academic-collection-medium is going to become little less than "NET-CHATTER"....of the uninformed.....you have an oportunity....sease it...don't slease. |
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27 Apr 04 - 12:20 AM (#1171927) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: EBarnacle The sitcom did exist but it did not last long. It may have been a Summer fill in. Gargoyle, take a laxitive and a seat. Relax and try not to make the world live up to your exacting standards. |
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27 Apr 04 - 03:41 AM (#1171981) Subject: Lyr Add: SIR GREENBAUM'S MADRIGAL (Allan Sherman) From: Mark Cohen SIR GREENBAUM'S MADRIGAL Words, Allan Sherman; music, trad. "Greensleeves" As recorded by Allan Sherman on "My Son, the Folk Singer" (1962)
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29 May 04 - 01:58 AM (#1196478) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: GUEST,Perlette Spike Jones originally did it. However I can't remember if it was in the 30's or 40's. |
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29 May 04 - 02:02 AM (#1196480) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: GUEST,Perlette. spike jones----early 1930's or 1940's. Originally was called by the first sentence---Hello Mother/Hello father |
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29 May 04 - 02:04 AM (#1196481) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: GUEST,Perlette On your search engine---Spike Jones--Hello Mother / Hello Father --from the 1930's or 40's!! |
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29 May 04 - 02:00 PM (#1196573) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: Mark Cohen Sorry, Perlette, but this is a good example of the Golden Rule for the 21st century: Just because you see it on the web does not mean it's true! Allan Sherman wrote "Hello Mudduh, Hello Fadduh". I dont know how all those sites got Spike Jones' name attached to the song. My guess is that there was a compilation of funny songs, some or most of which were by Spike Jones but which included songs by other writers, including the Sherman song. I checked a couple of sites I found through Google that included Spike Jones' name associated with the song, and they had quite a few errors, including changing Leonard Skinner's name to "Skynyrd"! Here's a page that advertises a CD collection of Spike Jones songs, which were in fact from the 40s and 50s. Note also that Spike didn't write a lot of the songs he made famous; it's his arrangements that were so over the top: "Cocktails for Two," for example. Here's a site with pictures of Allan Sherman album covers as well as links to lots of other Sherman stuff, including this page of Allan Sherman song lyrics and other articles. Aloha, Mark |
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29 May 04 - 02:11 PM (#1196577) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: Megan L joe that got me thinking didnt Sinatra sing Granada Youve got me under your spell? Granada, I'm falling under your spell, And if you could speak, what a fascinating tale you would tell. Of an age the world has long forgotten, Of an age that weaves a silent magic in Granada today. The dawn in the sky greets the day with a sigh for Granada. For she can remember the splendor that once was Granada. It still can be found in the hills all around as I wander along, Entranced by the beauty before me, Entranced by a land full of flowers and song. When day is done and the sun touch the sea in Granada, I envy the blush of the snow-clad Tierra Novada, Soon it will welcome the stars While a thousand guitars play a soft Carbinera. Then moonlit Granada will live again, The glory of yesterday, romantic and gay. (musical interlude) And soon it will welcome the stars While a thousand guitars play a soft Carbinera. Then moonlit Granada will live again, The glory of yesterday, romantic, gay Granada. |
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21 Nov 04 - 07:34 PM (#1334761) Subject: Lyr Add: HELLO MUDDAH, HELLO FADDAH (Allan Sherman From: Fergie Hello Mudduh, Hello Faddah (A Letter From Camp) Hello Mudduh, hello Fadduh, Here I am at Camp Granada: Camp is very entertaining And they say we'll have some fun if it stops raining. I went hiking with Joe Spivey: He developed poison ivy; You remember Leonard Skinner: He got ptomaine poisoning last night after dinner. All the counsellors hate the waiters, And the lake has alligators, And the head coach wants no sissies, So he reads to us from something called Ulysses. Now I don't want this should scare you, But my bunk mate has malaria. You remember Jeffrey Hardy: They're about to organize a searching party. Take me home, oh Mudduh, Fadduh, Take me home, I hate Granada, Don't leave me out in the forest where I might get eaten by a bear. Take me home, I promise I will not make noise Or mess the house with other boys, Oh please don't make me stay! I've been here one whole day! Dearest Fadduh, darling Mudduh, How's my precious little brother? Let me come home if you miss me, I would even let Aunt Bertha hug and kiss me. Wait a minute, it's stopped hailing: Guys are swimming, guys are sailing, Playing baseball; gee, that's better; Mudduh, Fadduh, kindly disregard this letter. Thought I should post the lyrics. Fergus |
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21 Nov 04 - 08:10 PM (#1334795) Subject: RE: camp grenada origin? From: PoppaGator The southern-rockers Lennerd Skynard always claimed that they took their name from their high-school gym teacher Leonard Skinner, but it sure seems coincidental that Allen Sherman had used that exact same name years earlier in "Hello Muddah Hello Fathah." He's probably the true inspiration for their identity. Back to the original question -- those of us alive at the time Allen Sherman introduced this song on nationwide TV *all* recognized the tune. We may not have known *where* it came from, but I think pretty much everyone found it at least vaguely familiar, i.e., knew it came from *somewhere.* Thanks to Joe O, we all now know that it was a well-loved classical piece that was featured in "Fantasia." |
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05 Dec 04 - 11:03 AM (#1347995) Subject: Spanish song lyrics to Granada From: GUEST |
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03 Jun 05 - 02:03 PM (#1499368) Subject: RE: Origins: Camp Granada (Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah) From: GUEST,KatieR94@att.net so, how did you make up the song anyway? was it something someone said??? |
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11 Nov 05 - 10:18 AM (#1602328) Subject: RE: Origins: Camp Granada (Hello Muddah, Hello Fad From: GUEST,Steve More on the origins of this song on the Wikipedia (yeah I wrote this article, or most of it.) Stuff you didn't know: Song was partly based on Sherman's son Robert's first camp experience: http://www.petabit.com/steve/LATimes_Granada.html Robert is now a TV Producer: http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0792564/ Song has been translated not only into Swedish (where it's now a popular folk tune) but also Esperanto and Dutch. Song was the basis for: * A children's book * A travelling theatric revue |
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25 Nov 05 - 01:01 AM (#1613320) Subject: RE: Origins: Camp Granada (Hello Muddah, Hello Fad From: GUEST Hello all. I am from the University of Illinois and I just found out that the song you are referring to, "Camp Granada" was written by a former student Allen Sherman who lived in a dorm called the Granada Club House. Click on the link below to the portion of the website. Thanks. And now you too can say you have been to Camp Granada if you stop by the University of Illinois. http://www.pti.uiuc.edu/facilities/atc.htm |
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25 Nov 05 - 12:02 PM (#1613613) Subject: RE: Origins: Camp Granada (Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah) From: voyager In one of life's little ironies.... My father passed away last summer and was interred at the Hillside Memorial Park (LA, CA) where Allan Sherman (and lots of well-known Jewish entertainers) are also laid to rest. Hillside Memorial Park - Allan Sherman My mother was also buried at the same site back in 2000. At the Memorial Service I found myself chanting - "Hello Mudda, Hella Fadda I'd RATHER BE in Camp Granada" voyager |
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28 Jun 07 - 02:45 AM (#2088822) Subject: RE: Origins: Camp Granada (Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah) From: GUEST,vivienne oldham nee ferris hi everyone,, I am Greg Ferris' sister. Greg of Twilighters fame. My brother died of a brain tumor over thirty years ago so it is lovely to see this info on the screen. I have Gregs records still and love the music but no one listens to folk now. |
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09 Jul 08 - 12:15 PM (#2384776) Subject: RE: Origins: Camp Granada (Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah) From: GUEST Has anyone found out the actual name of the movie to this song Hello Muddah, Hello Fadah? I want to see the movie so bad but I can't think of the name or where I would even go to find it? Everytime I type it in it just brings up the song. I want the show! Please Help!!! Thank you |
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09 Jul 08 - 01:40 PM (#2384863) Subject: RE: Origins: Camp Granada (Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah) From: Bill H //\\ An interesting sidelight---the original song was pulled and replaced with a 45 --Camp Granada Revisited. EVen funnier than the first one Allan SHerman did. A rarity ---perhaps you might find it on e bay as I did. I have played it on my Sunday Simcha program many a time and much of his other material---all clever--even more-so than his signature song that people seem to remember him by. My favorite is Westchester Hadassah (to the melody of Winchester Cathedral) Bill Hahn |
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09 Jul 08 - 04:08 PM (#2385040) Subject: RE: Origins: Camp Granada (Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah) From: Bill H //\\ If you tune in to Sunday Simcha on WFDU at 10 AM on 7/20 (or on the web www.wfdu.fm) you will be able to hear the second version (the one mentioned above) Camp Granada Revisited---by request. BH |
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09 Jul 08 - 04:20 PM (#2385059) Subject: RE: Origins: Camp Granada (Hello Muddah, Hello Fad From: Desert Dancer Camp Granada / Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah in the Digital Tradition database (Joe's link, way up in this thread, no longer works). ~ Becky in Tucson sending her boy to camp next week... |
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13 Jun 09 - 11:34 PM (#2655910) Subject: RE: Origins: Camp Granada (Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah) From: GUEST,Linda I need help with this song. When I was a kid my mom had a 45 record with this music on it. It started out 'Hello mudder, hello fadder, hello sister, hello brodder. It was about a man in a courtroom facing a judge for his crime. It was funny & I'd really like to get a copy of it since my brother broke the 45 of my mom's. Does anyone know what it's title was for sure & who performed this version? Thanks, Linda |
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14 Jun 09 - 05:28 AM (#2655986) Subject: RE: Origins: Camp Granada (Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah) From: David C. Carter Terry Thomas,British actor,recorded an album "Discovering America" sometime in the '60s.He did a song called "Hello Mater,Hello Pater,here I am at Alma Mater".I can't remember the rest of it and can't find it. If anyone knows or could find it,I would much appreciate it. Thanks in advance. David |
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17 Aug 09 - 09:58 PM (#2702743) Subject: RE: Origins: Camp Granada (Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah) From: GUEST,Curt David asked about the lyrics to 'Hello Mater, Hello Pater' by Terry-Thomas. I don't remember *all* the lyrics, which is frustrating, but here's what I recall: Hello Mater, Hello Pater I shall mail this letter later Here am I at good old Eaton Our athletic teams are almost never beaten We play rugby, where you kick it Then we take a crack at cricket If you buy a season ticket You could watch me kick it on a sticky wicket Loved your letter, it was thrilling Thank you for the extra shilling! Eaton's quaint and quite ironic They keep serving tea instead of gin and tonic -- Oh, I say, we had a lovely hunt to-day Except for Cecil Hem-ing-way He's such a clumsy ox, his socks Were eaten by the fox! Don't feel blue, oh Mater, Pater I miss you My life is complicated too I fired my valet today He left my vest unpressed -- Is it true 'bout Lady Plinker? I do hope so, she's a stinker! How is Cedric, oh incidentally, Does he really keep his Aston in his Bentley? ...and that's where the memory fails. Curt |
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18 Aug 09 - 05:55 AM (#2702940) Subject: RE: Origins: Camp Granada (Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah) From: David C. Carter Good one Curt.I recall the last line,which goes something like: ...And just think tomorrow,I,ll be thirty seven. Thanks again David |
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18 Aug 09 - 07:16 PM (#2703365) Subject: RE: Origins: Camp Granada (Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah) From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego Alan Sherman, as I recall, was a comedy writer who used to play piano and sing these songs at Hollywood parties with no thought of making a career of it. Someone, probably a record producer who knew an opportunity when he saw it, convinced him to do a record. The rest, as they say......led to this thread. Spike Jones, on the other hand, was a talented musician who simply had a demented approach with an equally talented stable of players. You have to be really good to be that bad. |
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18 Aug 09 - 08:18 PM (#2703412) Subject: RE: Origins: Camp Granada (Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah) From: Don Firth I first heard "Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah" on an Allan Sherman record in the early 1960s (a friend of mine had it). Until I read it in this thread, I had never hear of it being attributed to Spike Jones. I would need extraordinary proof to convince me that it was actually written by Spike Jones because it is so much the kind of thing that Allan Sherman did. Another song about "Granada" that was mentioned above, and for which Megan provided an English language version is a sort of pop-classic song that was written by Agustin Lara, and just about every operatic tenor and his pet chicken have take a shot at it. Here's Spanish tenor Placido Domingo giving it his all: Granada, by Agustin Lara. Don Firth |
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18 Aug 09 - 11:31 PM (#2703552) Subject: RE: Origins: Camp Granada (Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah) From: GUEST,MtheGM "Spike Jones' talented group of players" the City Slickers [including incidentally vocals by the great Mel Blanc, voice of Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck & such Warner Bros immortals] belonged firmly to the 1940s, well before Muddah/Faddah: his association with the song must be due to some folk·process-style misremembering on someone's part, surely? |
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19 Aug 09 - 03:52 PM (#2704009) Subject: RE: Origins: Camp Granada (Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah) From: Bill H //\\ Not sure if this was mentioned above but Sherman put out a sequel on a 45 single that updated it with new lyrics---such as"..the little black things don't move in my food anymore...", "...weve got some great entertainment--thats this truth---this week Lenny Bruce", and many more. As to classical music. I always get a kick when popular things use classical--cartoons, recordings (Sherman), etc; How many realize that some of the scenes in Curb YOur Enthusiasm that call for some fast moving by the characters uses "Three Little Maids" from The Mikado. As to Allan Sherman---the most requested comedy music on my Sunday SImcha radio program on WFDU in Teaneck NJ---Tune it on Sundays at 10 AM ET (we stream on the web and the shows are archived for 2 weeks there) Bill Hahn |
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03 Sep 09 - 05:45 PM (#2715749) Subject: Lyr Add: HELLO MATER, HELLO PATER (Allan Sherman) From: GUEST,Curt For David - I couldn't stand it anymore, bought the album on eBay for five bucks and shipping. Here, at last, are the full lyrics:
HELLO MATER, HELLO PATER I. As recorded by Terry-Thomas on "Terry-Thomas Discovers America" (1964) - YouTube.
Hello, Mater; Hello, Pater!
We play rugby, where you kick it,
Loved your letter; it was thrilling.
Tell me, dear old darling mummy,
BRIDGE: Don't feel blue.
Is it true 'bout Lady Plinker?
I'm enjoying all my studies
[The following lyrics inserted by Jim Dixon.]
Hello, Mater; Hello, Pater!
We play rugby, where you kick it,
Loved your letter; it was thrilling.
Tell me, dear old darling mummy,
BRIDGE: Don't feel blue.
Is it true 'bout Lady Clinker?
I'm enjoying all my studies |
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03 Sep 09 - 06:17 PM (#2715768) Subject: RE: Origins: Camp Granada (Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah) From: Joe Offer Curt, that is truly a significant and generous contribution to our Body of Knowledge here. Tell me - Is it MAY-tur and PAY-tur or Is MAH-tur and PAH-tur???? America wants to know. -Joe- |
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03 Sep 09 - 07:38 PM (#2715816) Subject: RE: Origins: Camp Granada (Hello Muddah, Hello Fad From: GUEST,Gerry Cool. But, it's Eton, not Eaton, right? |
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04 Sep 09 - 09:08 AM (#2716078) Subject: RE: Origins: Camp Granada (Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah) From: GUEST,Curt It's MAY-tur (rhymes with "later"), not MAH-tur. As to the spelling, I ain't ever been to England yet - you may well be right. |
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05 Sep 09 - 09:55 AM (#2716722) Subject: RE: Origins: Camp Granada (Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah) From: GUEST,Curt I had some fun scanning the cover artwork from Terry-Thomas' album, if anyone is interested I have posted it on my web site: http://www.verifine.org/terry-thomas_america.jpg Quite a bit of retouching and restorative work in Photoshop, but looking like new! Curt |
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02 Jun 13 - 04:55 AM (#3521808) Subject: RE: Origins: Camp Granada (Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah) From: GUEST It was originally a classical piece called "Dance of the Hours" by Amilcare Ponchielli. Allan Sherman was a master at musical parody -- taking a piece of music and writing different words for it. |
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02 Jun 13 - 08:01 AM (#3521838) Subject: RE: Origins: Camp Granada (Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah) From: MGM·Lion Joe Offer provided the Ponchielli Dance of the Hours link on 20 Jan 98. You are a mere 15 years late with your information thank you, Guest. ~M~ |
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24 Jun 13 - 03:57 AM (#3529660) Subject: RE: Origins: Camp Granada (Hello Muddah, Hello Faddah) From: David C. Carter Mant thanks to Curt. I should have thanked you long before but! Sorry about that. David |