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13 Aug 01 - 05:32 PM (#527044) Subject: Monymusk From: GUEST,DonMeixner Monymusk, Moneymusk, Monnymusk? What does this mean? I find it in Jock O'Braidesley by The Corries and as a dance tuneas well. Is it a place or a time or a season or a thing? Don |
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13 Aug 01 - 05:45 PM (#527056) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: Sorcha I have no clue. It never occured to me to ask. I have usually seen it as Money Musk, an old Scottish reel....Google and Jeeves weren't much help; they just sent me to the tune. |
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13 Aug 01 - 06:05 PM (#527076) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: sheila Monimusk is a place in the northern part of Scotland - there was a monastery there, founded by Malcolm Canmore. |
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13 Aug 01 - 06:05 PM (#527077) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: Micca Its a place, I am informed, in Aberdeenshire... |
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13 Aug 01 - 06:06 PM (#527079) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: GUEST,Don Meixner Same here Sorcha, The line is: "His Body lies in monymusk his hunting days are done are done, his hunting days are done." Don |
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13 Aug 01 - 06:13 PM (#527088) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: Sorcha Well, that could either mean in the town of Monimusk or in some sort of sweet herbs. Isn't there something called Musk Roses? and of course, there is just regular musk oil. |
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13 Aug 01 - 06:38 PM (#527109) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: GUEST It's usually a short title for a tune by Daniel Dow, "Sir Archibald Grant of Monemusk", c 1775, but Dow composed another, "Lady Grant of Monemusk".
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13 Aug 01 - 06:40 PM (#527111) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: Susanne (skw) I've always taken it for a placename. It certainly is in this song: Monymustk Lads |
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14 Aug 01 - 12:51 AM (#527417) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: Liz the Squeak And a cracking little tune it is too... used as a regimental double past (marching at twice normal speed, as British Army far too dignified to call it jogging....), and an evil dance tune! LTS |
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14 Aug 01 - 03:26 AM (#527465) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: GUEST,Scottish Aussie Monymusk is just a short drive from Aberdeen along the A944, the turn right at Tillyfourie!!! |
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14 Aug 01 - 03:34 AM (#527466) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: masato sakurai It's a place name, but was also a plant name, though surely it wasn't a sweet herb.
The Fiddler's Companion says:
And as a place name, click here, click here, click here, click here, or for its map and brief timeline.
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07 Dec 05 - 06:32 PM (#1622256) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: GUEST,Darrell I would like to get the full set of lyrics for this great song. I've heard the corries version, but some of the words are rather hard to make out... could someone point me in the right direction. Slainte, darrell. |
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08 Dec 05 - 12:50 PM (#1622894) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: GUEST |
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08 Dec 05 - 05:19 PM (#1623133) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: GUEST Sir Grant taught those dreadful Scots something...to harmonize! Amazing how a drunken cross-eyed farm hand, deep in the Missouri Ozarks would know the tune Sir Archibald Grant of Monymusk's Reel! Sir Archibald Grant of Monymusk, Aberdeenshire, was a great 18th-century 'improver', who set up new and far-sighted farming methods. A President of the Aberdeen Musical Society (see JSS0652 - JSS0662), he employed a singing teacher, Thomas Channon, to teach his estate tenants to sing harmonised psalms, a skill almost unknown anywhere in Scotland. The laird was celebrated by a practice-verse - secular words to a sacred song - so it could be practised outwith the church: 'How lovely is thy dwelling-place, / Sir Archie Grant to me; / The home-park, and the policies, / How pleasant, Sir, they be.' |
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08 Dec 05 - 06:48 PM (#1623206) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: GUEST,Jack Campin The first harmonized psalms were published in Scotland in the sixteenth cemtury and there was probably a version in print continuously from when Andro Hart produced one at the beginning of the 17th century. It wasn't unavailability of harmonizations that prevented most Scots from singing them, it was ideology. The Covenanters and allied extreme Calvinists disapproved of all elaborated religious music and would only tolerate single-line melodies in psalm settings. Changes to this status quo were only imposed by the elite with the aid of extreme violence. Charles I's attempt to introduce a more elaborate Anglican-style liturgy in the1630s set off a civil war. Sir Archibald Grant must have been one hell of an aggressive cultural imperialist to attempt this. He could not have done it without forcible evictions to eliminate tenants with Covenanter sympathies. (Perhaps he replaced them with Episcopalian Highlanders, as part of the settlement of Jacobite issues after 1784)? Remember "new and far-sighted farming methods" really meant "booting your workers off the land" - this was the Lowland Clearances, earlier and on a much larger scale than the Highland ones. There is a recent book about it by Tom Devine if you want to know more. |
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08 Dec 05 - 06:57 PM (#1623214) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: Tattie Bogle Lovely place. Great pub called "The Grant Arms". The last time we were there, there was an event going on in the village hall with plenty of Scottish accordion music going on. I also remember it as being a the name of a very elegant strathspey dance. TB |
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08 Dec 05 - 07:02 PM (#1623218) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: GUEST Reminds me of Killicrankie.. a battle between the Highlanders and Lowland Presbyterians...and a fiddle tune. |
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08 Dec 05 - 07:07 PM (#1623228) Subject: Lyr Add: MONYMUSK LADS (from Silly Wizard) From: GUEST I wonder if Scotus knows this song. Monymusk Lads Lyrics Artist(Band):Silly Wizard Review The Song (0) As l cam' in by Monymustk And doon by Alford's dale, A sad misfortune happened to me And l think nae shame to tell. cho: Fal to too a riddle doo. Fal to toodle I doe. As l gaed in by Monymustk. The moon was shining clear; And I held on to Lethendy To see my Maggie dear. I did gang when I did think That a' were sleepin' soun', But plague upon yon auld wife For she cam' slinkin' doon. Sae cannily she slipped the lock And set the door agee; Then crawled upon her hands and knees To see what it could be. Then to the bells, wi' a' her micht Sae loud she made thern ring. Till faith! l thoeht aboot my lugs The biggin she would bring. And when she saw l wouldna slip. She ran to the guidman. Says: "There's a lad into the hoose. And that l winna stand. "For it is a most disgraceful thing. It would provoke a saunt. To see a' the servant girls wi' lads. When the gentle anes maun want." "Providence has acted wrang. Sic pleasures for to gie Tae ony servant lad or lass Just working for a fee." The auld man he cam' ben himsel' And he pushed ben his heid; Guidfaith! I thocht it was a ghost Just risen frae the deid. He'd duddy draws upon his legs, He'd on a cap o' white. And he'd a face as lang's my leg And in his hand a light. He's ta'en me by the shoulders broad An' pushed me oot o' doors. Thinks I, my auld lad, I'll come back When sleepin' gars ye snore. |
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09 Dec 05 - 03:41 AM (#1623449) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: Malcolm Douglas It's already in the DT, with the same strange typo in the title, oddly enough: THE MONYMUSTK LADS The DT file names Ewan MacColl's Folk Songs and Ballads of Scotland as immediate source, but fails to mention that MacColl got it from John Ord's Bothy Songs and Ballads, changing Ord's title (Rural Courtship) for some reason. Presumably 'Silly Wizard' got the song from one or the other; from MacColl, I suppose, if the spelling mistake in the title has been copied independently by both the DT and our 'guest' from, respectively, his book and SW's sleevenotes. |
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09 Dec 05 - 09:56 AM (#1623524) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: Paul Burke The "mony" part obviously refers to monks (as in antimony). Any ideas what the "musk" bit means? Cod etymology: from Latin monachus, a monk, and Moslem mosque, "The Monks' Mosque". |
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09 Dec 05 - 11:00 AM (#1623572) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: GUEST,crazy little woman |
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09 Dec 05 - 11:17 AM (#1623587) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: GUEST,crazy little woman Re "Amazing how a drunken cross-eyed farm hand, deep in the Missouri Ozarks would know the tune Sir Archibald Grant of Monymusk's Reel!" ------ No, it's amazing that somebody literate and computer-literate would post something so ignorant and nasty. Guest, did you get your conception of the people of the Ozarks from Hee Haw, the Beverly Hillbillies or The Dukes of Hazzard? Since you don't seem to know anything about traditional music, I suggest you browse through the Fiddler's Fake Book and observe how good tunes travel the world. |
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09 Dec 05 - 01:07 PM (#1623680) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: GUEST *sigh* I was referring to Roy Wooliver, with tongue in cheek. Since you may not know of his reputation, he influenced Gene Goforth and many other Missouri fiddlers. John Hartford does his version of Monymusk on Hamilton Ironworks. My familiarity with Ozark musicians comes from living there for a number of years. He was a gifted musician but an odd fellow with a taste for drink. And he was a bit cross-eyed. Lighten up, lady! Bluebelle? |
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09 Dec 05 - 02:08 PM (#1623748) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: GUEST Monymusk Aberdeenshire A planned village in mid-Aberdeenshire, Monymusk lies just south of the River Don, 7 miles (11 km) west of Kintore and 17 miles (25 km) north west of Aberdeen. In 1170 a community of Augustinian canons was established here by Gilchrist, Earl of Mar, on the site of an earlier Celtic foundation. This was said to have been established by Malcolm Canmore in 1078 while on a military mission against the rebels of Moray. The present church of St Mary's dates from the late 12th-early 13th Century and contains monuments to successive Grant lairds as well as a Pictish symbol stone known as the Monymusk Stone. Sir Archibald Grant of Monymusk replaced the old Kirkton of Monymusk in the 18th century with a planned village designed for estate workers and craftsmen. It was almost entirely rebuilt in 1840. |
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10 Dec 05 - 12:23 AM (#1624172) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: Joybell In the far North-East of Victoria, Australia this tune is called "The Monkey Musk". It's been played, for dances, under that title for as long as the people of Nariel Creek can remember. Always liked this corruption. Cheers, Joy |
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10 Dec 05 - 01:02 AM (#1624178) Subject: Lyr Add: JOCK O' BRAIDISLEE From: DonMeixner Hi Darrell. Is this the version you want? Don Jock o' Braidislee [print] (Trad) Johnny got up on a May mornin' Called for water to wash his hands Says "Gie loose tae me my twa grey dugs That lie in iron bands - bands That lie in iron bands" Johnny's mother she heard o' this Her hands for dool she wrang Sayin' "Johnny for your venison Tae the greenwood dinnae gang - gang Tae the greenwood dinnae gang" But Johnny has ta'en his guid bend bow His arrows one by one And he's awa' tae the greenwood gane Tae ding the dun deer doon - doon Tae ding the dun deer doon Noo Johnny shot and the dun deer leapt And he wounded her in the side And there between the water and the woods The grey hounds laid her pride - her pride The grey hounds laid her pride They ate so much o' the venison They drank so much o' the blood That Johnny and his twa grey dugs Fell asleep as though were deid - were deid Fell asleep as though were deid Then by there cam' a silly auld man An ill death may he dee For he's awa' tae Esslemont The seven foresters for tae see - tae see The foresters for tae see As I cam' in by Monymusk Doon among yon scruggs Well there I spied the bonniest youth Lyin' sleepin' atween twa dugs - twa dugs Lyin' sleepin' atween twa dugs The buttons that were upon his sleeve Were o' the gowd sae guid And the twa grey hounds that he lay between Their mouths were dyed wi' blood - wi' blood Their mouths were dyed wi' blood Then up and jumps the first forester He was captain o' them a' Sayin "If that be Jock o' Braidislee Unto him we'll draw - we'll draw Unto him we'll draw" The first shot that the foresters fired It hit Johnny on the knee And the second shot that the foresters fired His heart's blood blint his e'e - his e'e His heart's blood blint his e'e Then up jumps Johnny fae oot o' his sleep And an angry man was he Sayin "Ye micht have woken me fae my sleep Ere my heart's blood blint my e'e - my e'e Ere my heart's blood blint my e'e" But he's rested his back against an oak His fit upon a stane And he has fired at the seven o' them He's killed them a' but ane - but ane He's killed them a' but ane He's broken four o' that one's ribs His airm and his collar bane And he has set him upon his horse Wi' the tidings sent him hame - hame Wi' the tidings sent him hame But Johnny's guid bend bow is broke His twa grey dugs are slain And his body lies in Monymusk His huntin' days are dane - are dane His huntin' days are dane |
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10 Dec 05 - 08:20 PM (#1624702) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: GUEST,Jack Campin I posted a long followup in this thread about what Sir Archibald Grant would have been up to - where did it go? |
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10 Dec 05 - 09:54 PM (#1624749) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: Effsee For a really cracking version of Monymusk Lads you'll find no better than Arthur Watson's of the Gaugers. See the Cds "Beware of the Aberdonian", originally released in 1976 on Topic, now re-released on Sleepytown Records, as well as a live version on "No More Forever" on the same label. |
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11 Dec 05 - 10:19 AM (#1624958) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: GUEST,BanjoRay This is recording of the late Henry Reed, the old time fiddler from Glen Lyn, Virginia playing Monymusk as recorded by Alan Jabbour in the late sixties not long before Reed died. Cheers Ray |
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12 Dec 05 - 09:12 PM (#1626056) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: GUEST,stu Monymusk was the name of a guy during the wars of independance in scotland. He held a banner called the baendarrock ?? wich was said to contain the relics of st columba, during the battle of bannock burn. it is said to have vastly affected the scots to victory. |
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01 Nov 10 - 02:35 AM (#3020509) Subject: RE: Monymusk. A new thought & question From: Joybell I just bought a plant for my butterfly garden. On looking it up I see that it is Mimulus -- commomly called "Monkey Musk". The flowers look like monkey faces and it smells of musk, giving it an obvious meaning. Mimulus is native to Southern North America, Australia, parts of Asia, and parts of Africa. Not to the British Isles. However it has become naturalized in Scotland (and probably in England). I can't find out when it was introduced to Scotland or by whom. So -- I'm wondering if "Monkey Musk" is in fact the older name and Monymusk the coruption. Cheers, Joy |
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01 Nov 10 - 06:22 AM (#3020590) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: BobKnight Guest Stu Dec, '05. You are referring to the Monymusk Reliquary, and 8th century casket said to contain relics (bones) of St Columba, also known as the Breacbennoch of St Columba. It was not a banner, and it wasn't carried by someone called Monymusk. The Standard bearer of Scotland was a man called Scrimgeour. The Scrimgeours were appointed by William Wallace, and I believe they still hold that honour to this day. Of course I could be wrong about that. The name Scrimgeour is closely associated with the city of Dundee. Joybell, I think you'll find that Monymusk was in existence long before the Brits went Empire building and plant collecting in the 18th Century. |
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01 Nov 10 - 06:36 PM (#3021157) Subject: RE: Monymusk From: Joybell Bob, Thanks for clearing up the previous post. Yes, I know about the 18th century plant collections, and yes, the name "Monymusk" may well be older. However, there is the possibility that Mimulus may have been introduced as a dried herb, with seeds, before this. Along with other herbs and spices from Africa and Asia. Thing is we could do with some written evidence. Also I'm puzzled about why the derivation of the word "Monymusk" is unclear. Cheers, Joy |