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21 Aug 01 - 10:30 PM (#532938) Subject: Talk About Sufferin' From: richlmo Saw Doc Watson do this song on a PBS special and also have it on a Ricky Scraggs/ Tony Rice tape. Anybody know the entire song and origins? Might sing it at a church show and it would help if I had some background. Sounds like an old slave song. |
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21 Aug 01 - 10:47 PM (#532946) Subject: Lyr Add: TALK ABOUT SUFFERING From: Peg not sure of the origins. Used to sing it in a trio I was in; I prefer the version by the John Renbourne Band as heard on the album "Maid in Bedlam," that is what we modelled our version on (not quite as "jazzy" as Watson's) Very powerful song. We were a pagan trip and I think saw it ironically; in other words, why keep following Jesus when there is so much suffering on earth? For Christians, I guess the meaning would be, that that is exactly why to follow Jesus...
Talk about Suffering here below,
The gospel train is comin'
Talk about Suffering here below,
Oh don't you hear it father?
Oh don't you hear it mother?
Talk about Suffering here below,
Oh don't you hear it brothers?
Oh don't you hear it sister?
Talk about Suffering here below,
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21 Aug 01 - 10:52 PM (#532949) Subject: RE: Talk About Sufferin' From: Joe Offer Hi, Rich - the lyrics we have are here (click). The Doc Watson recording identifies it only as "traditional," and gives no background information. -Joe offer- |
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21 Aug 01 - 11:29 PM (#532965) Subject: Lyr Add: TALK ABOUT SUFFERING From: Joe Offer Aw, I just spent lots of time transcribing from the Doc Watson and Ricky Skaggs recordings, and I see Peg posted yet another version. They're all more-or-less the same, but here goes. I don't really care for the Doc Watson recording. Skaggs does wonderful harmony with his wife Sharon and her sister Cheryl Warren on his, and Doc solo can't match up. -Joe Offer- Doc Watson (similar to version in Digital Tradition) TALK ABOUT SUFFERING CHORUS Talk about suffering here below And talk about loving Jesus. Talk about suffering here below And let's keep a-following Jesus. The gospel train is coming Now, don't you want to go? And leave this world of trials And troubles here below. Oh, don't you hear it, Father? And don't you want to go? And leave this world of trials And troubles here below. CHORUS Oh, don't you hear it, Mother? And don't you want to go? And leave this world of trials And troubles here below. CHORUS Oh, don't you hear it, Brother? And don't you want to go? And leave this world of trials And troubles here below. Oh, don't you hear it, Sister? And don't you want to go? And leave this world of trials And troubles here below. CHORUS Ricky Skaggs Recording (from Family & Friends): TALK ABOUT SUFFERING CHORUS Talk about suffering here below And let's keep a-following Jesus. Talk about suffering here below And let's keep a-loving Jesus. The gospel train is coming Now, don't you want to go? And leave this world of sorrow And troubles here below. Oh, can't you hear it, Father? Now, don't you want to go? And leave this world of sorrow And troubles here below. CHORUS Oh, can't you hear it, Mother? Now, don't you want to go? And leave this world of sorrow And troubles here below. CHORUS Oh, can't you hear it, Brother? Now, don't you want to go? And leave this world of sorrow And troubles here below. The gospel train is coming Now, don't you want to go? And leave this world of sorrow And troubles here below. Messages from multiple threads combined. Messages below are from a new thread. |
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01 Mar 03 - 06:33 PM (#901321) Subject: Origin: Talk About Suffering From: Richie The Doc Watson; also Ricky Skaggs lyrics are in DT, below is a verse. Talk about Suffering here below, and talk about loving Jesus Talk about suffering here below and let's keep following Jesus. Any info about the origin of this gospel song? -Richie |
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01 Mar 03 - 06:35 PM (#901324) Subject: RE: Origin: Talk About Suffering From: Peg not sure, but my favorite version is an a cappella one by the John Renbourn Group! |
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01 Mar 03 - 08:28 PM (#901381) Subject: RE: Origin: Talk About Suffering From: Morticia The Missing Persons Soup Kitchen Quartet do a pretty amazing job of this one too. |
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01 Mar 03 - 08:52 PM (#901391) Subject: RE: Origins: Talk About Suffering From: Joe Offer This one intrigues me, Richie. It's sung so commonly that I consider it a "standard," but I've never found anything about its origin. Nothing in the Traditional Ballad Index. -Joe Offer- |
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02 Mar 03 - 12:11 AM (#901463) Subject: RE: Origins: Talk About Suffering From: Stewie The Skaggs and Rice rendition on their classic Sugar Hill album is the definitive one as far as I am concerned. No note there either - it is attributed to 'Trad - arr Skaggs and Rice'. I had a troll around the usual suspects on the Net, but failed to turn up anything. Maybe Masato unearth something in some dark corner. --Stewie. |
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02 Mar 03 - 10:18 PM (#902100) Subject: RE: Origins: Talk About Suffering From: Joe Offer Here's the entry from Folkindex. Hmmm. No old recordings listed. Anybody know of earlier recordings?
Other sources list several solo recordings by Ricky Skaggs, and the 1977 recording by John Renbourn. That's all - nothing earlier than Doc Watson's 1964 recording. -Joe Offer- |
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27 Feb 05 - 10:41 PM (#1422572) Subject: Lyr Req: Doc Watson Song From: GUEST,Billy W. Doc sang a song acappella on his PBS special last night that I liked. Some of the lyrics were "Talk about suffering here below, talk about following Jesus". I'd like to know the chords and lyrics to this moving song. Thanks, Billy |
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27 Feb 05 - 10:59 PM (#1422581) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Doc Watson Song From: Peace Words |
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27 Feb 05 - 11:22 PM (#1422595) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Doc Watson Song From: Peace Sheet music available here: http://www.wholenote.com/tab/artist.asp?i=2740 |
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28 Feb 05 - 12:43 AM (#1422629) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Doc Watson Song From: open mike thread name should be "Talk About Sufferin'" |
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25 May 10 - 02:11 PM (#2914082) Subject: RE: Origins: Talk About Suffering From: GUEST,Wally Macnow There is a recording of Andy Wallace singing this by Andy Wallace at http://www.4shared.com/account/audio/ITKvqD4p/Talk_About_Suffering.html |
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25 May 10 - 03:59 PM (#2914163) Subject: RE: Origins: Talk About Suffering From: Joe Offer Hi, Wally - what date would you give to the Andy Wallace recording? Do you have a guess on an earliest version of this song? -Joe- |
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25 May 10 - 06:23 PM (#2914258) Subject: RE: Origins: Talk About Suffering From: GUEST,Wally Macnow This is from an informal gathering in May of 1991. I'm hoping Andy will post something on the blog site. |
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28 May 10 - 12:54 PM (#2916048) Subject: To follow the historical Ribi Yehoshua From: GUEST,Anders Branderud Reply to Peg: You fail to realize that the historical person was named Ribi Yehoshua ha-Mashiakh (the Messiah); and that this is not the same as the conunterfeit Jzus of the Christian Church. Le-havdil, A logical analysis (found in www.netzarim.co.il (Netzarim.co.il is the website of the only legitimate Netzarim-group)) of all extant source documents and archeology proves that the historical Ribi Yehosuha from Nazareth and his talmidim (apprentice-students), called the Netzarim, taught and lived Torah all of their lives; and that Netzarim and Christianity were always antithetical. The original words of the pro-Torah teacher Ribi Yehoshua were redacted by Roman Hellenists, and the redaction is found in the "gospels". J…. is described in the "gospels", and le-havdil the teachings of the historical Torah-teacher Ribi Yehoshua from Nazareth are found in the reconstruction (using a logical and scientific methodology to create the reconstruction), Netzarim Hebrew Reconstruction of Hebrew Matityahu (NHM). The historical Jew Ribi Yehoshua is not the same as the Christian "J...." The historical Ribi Yehoshua was a human. The only way to follow the historical Ribi Yehoshua, the Messiah prophecied in Tan''kh (the Jewish Bible), is through Netzarim (www.netzarim.co.il) Anders Branderud |
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31 Oct 16 - 09:07 PM (#3817473) Subject: RE: Origins: Talk About Suffering From: GUEST,Nathan in Texas Completely different take on the song here by Phil Keaggy from 1988 album "Phil Keaggy and Sunday's Child". |
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01 Nov 16 - 08:49 PM (#3817644) Subject: RE: Origins: Talk About Suffering From: Janie My grandfather (1896-1993) was born and raised in eastern Kentucky, not far from where Ricky Skaggs was raised, and there is strong tradition of lined out a capella singing over that way among Primitive, Old Regular and United Baptists. I don't remember Pawpaw singing this but when I have time I will look through his Sweet Songster and Thomas Hymnals to see if it might be found there, though I kinda doubt it. I would not be surprised if the song doesn't have it's origins in the African-American Spirituals lined-out tradition. The cadence is that of a work song. Many of the lines are found in many hymns and spirituals. |
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02 Nov 16 - 04:23 PM (#3817790) Subject: RE: Origins: Talk About Suffering From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link Thought I recognised the lyrics but could,nt remember where till Nathan link keaggy , one of my favourite guitarists. Hi Nathan, did,nt you used to post the country hymns thread ? |
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09 Oct 17 - 06:09 PM (#3881197) Subject: RE: Origins: Talk About Suffering From: GUEST Adding to the mix a bit late but the melody reminds me of what I've heard from shape note singing groups. I know Ricky Skaggs has down some other songs from that genre so may be worth a look. |
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24 May 20 - 03:34 AM (#4054740) Subject: RE: Origins: Talk About Suffering From: GUEST I'd also like to know who wrote that one, if any single person did, as I'm writing new song lyrics about this pandemic and its impact on Nature, which will be set to the "Talk About Suffering" tune... |
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24 May 20 - 04:34 PM (#4054900) Subject: RE: Origins: Talk About Suffering From: femuse ..... The front cover of The Life of Lewis Charlton, A Poor Old Slave (which probably dates from around the time of the Civil War) Charlton recalls slaves being marched out of the city, singing 'Don't talk about suffering here below/ But talk about love like Jesus', and a slave named Larry Porter who 'was a devout Christian and insisted on attending Methodist meetings on Sunday where he led the singing.' "Bringing me to where I am": Jazz Autobiography in Context Holly Ellen Baverstock Farrington Thesis submitted for the award of Ph.D at Middlesex University September 2004 http://eprints.mdx.ac.uk/13387/1/407200.pdf |
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24 May 20 - 06:39 PM (#4054928) Subject: RE: Origins: Talk About Suffering From: GUEST,Starship https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMGbCUXqWN0 R Skaggs singing it unaccompanied. |
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25 May 20 - 12:01 AM (#4054974) Subject: RE: Origins: Talk About Suffering From: cnd In Starship's linked video, Ricky Skaggs says it's a public domain song, so unfortunately we'll likely never know who the true author was. It's ironic in a way that Ricky Skaggs sang it in that video for Ralph Stanley, who wasn't feeling well at the time of that recording (1989). I was at Ricky Skaggs's concert in 2016 in Charlotte, NC on the day he found out Ralph passed... it was one of the most heartfelt and powerful concerts I've ever attended. |
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31 Aug 20 - 10:39 PM (#4070277) Subject: RE: Origins: Talk About Suffering From: GUEST,Jim J The Local Honeys have a superb version on youtube |
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31 Aug 20 - 11:04 PM (#4070280) Subject: RE: Origins: Talk About Suffering From: Stewie This rendition would be hard to beat: Skaggs and Rice --Stewie. |
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01 Sep 20 - 03:01 AM (#4070291) Subject: RE: Origins: Talk About Suffering From: rich-joy Beaut version, Stewie; the same one that Paul and I used to sing - thanks to you :)) R-J |