26 Jan 98 - 09:27 AM (#19927) Subject: Lyr Add: The THE 12TH OF JULY From: Ezio THE 12TH OF JULY(Words: John Frazier [1804-1852], Music, Seàn Tyrrell)
Come pledge again your heart and your hand
Behold how green the galant stem
The more that hand that plucks that flower
And even though it be in our country's cause
Sung by Seàn Tyrrell on «Cry of a dreamer» (1995) John Frazier (1804-1852) A cabinet maker by trade, a poet by every instinct that poetry holds dear. He lies in an obscure corner of Glasnevin in an unmarked grave. Born a Presbyterian, he exhorts all his countrymen then and now to let the past bury it's dead and walk hand-in-hand into a loving future. In memory of Johnny Piggott and to the people of both communities in Belfast, but especially my long standing friends from the Shankill Rd. Seàn Tyrrell^^
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24 Jul 99 - 04:30 PM (#98897) Subject: RE: LYR ADD: The 12th of July From: emily rain refresh topical |
24 Jul 99 - 04:46 PM (#98898) Subject: RE: LYR ADD: The 12th of July From: Joe Offer Oh, darn. I thought Ezio had come back to us. I wonder how he's doing. -Joe Offer- |
24 Jul 99 - 04:53 PM (#98900) Subject: RE: LYR ADD: The 12th of July From: bseed(charleskratz) The flowers do come back, out of the green from which they bloom... --seed |
25 Jul 99 - 04:00 PM (#99088) Subject: RE: LYR ADD: The 12th of July From: emily rain sorry to fake you out, joe : ) |
25 Jul 99 - 08:53 PM (#99144) Subject: RE: LYR ADD: The 12th of July From: Big Mick A superb lyric and poem. Can you tell me the tune? Is there a midi available? Mick |
30 Jul 99 - 10:53 AM (#100827) Subject: RE: LYR ADD: The 12th of July From: Philippa there are recordings available: Sean Tyrrell "Cry of a Dreamer", also Cathy Ryan (I don't know which album) |
30 Jul 99 - 11:22 AM (#100851) Subject: Lyr Add: THE TWELFTH OF JULY From: Philippa "Cry of a Dreamer is on Hannibal/Rykodisc Seán Tyrrell also wrote of the song: "I've protected this song more than any other in my store because I didn't want it to fall into the wrong hands. In the wrong context songs can be twisted into lethal weapons or expressions of hate. This is a love song. Just now it is the most important love song I know...." The other song I've come across with the same title is no love song and could well be inflamatory, so I don't think I'll be singing it. Yet it is of interesting to look at as it gives an idea of the circumstances which led Frazier to write his call for reconciliation over 150 years ago and the tensions that still surround sectarian parades. As Emily says, Frazier's poem is still topical. The Twelfth of July recorded by Tom Brandon on "Folksongs of Ontario" (collected by Edith Fowke) Folkways Records, 1958
from the notes: "The Gazette for July 13, 1877, carried an extensive report of the episode under headlines reading 'TWELFTH OF JULY RIOT - An Exciting Day in Montreal THE TWELFTH OF JULY
Come all you gallant Irishmen who love your church and creed,
It was on the twelfth of last July the Orangemen did draw nigh,
They marched from Vyve and Circle down to Victoria Square.
So Hackett followed after him and fired once again
So come all you true-bred Catholics who love your church and creed |
30 Jul 99 - 03:15 PM (#100967) Subject: RE: LYR ADD: The 12th of July From: emily rain the cathie ryan cd is self-titled. |
30 Jul 99 - 09:43 PM (#101039) Subject: RE: LYR ADD: The 12th of July From: Big Mick Phillipa,
Thank you for the information on this song. I have been wanting to pick up a Sean Tyrrell CD and you have given me the one I will get. The song intrigues me and I would love to hear it sung by Sean. Ever since hearing him sing The Walker of the Snow on Spillane's Shadow Hunter album, I have loved his voice. |
01 Aug 99 - 12:05 PM (#101302) Subject: RE: LYR ADD: The 12th of July From: Big Mick Philippa, First off, I am sorry I spelled your name wrong above, I just realized that I did. This is a marvellous CD. I picked it up at Elderly yesterday. In fact they told me it was their last copy and then it was out of print. Thank you for telling us about it. I intend to pull a couple of songs out of it for performance. And The 12th of July is destined to become a standard for me. Beautiful song. Thanks for sharing it. All the best, Mick |
01 Aug 99 - 02:07 PM (#101335) Subject: RE: LYR ADD: The 12th of July From: Barry Finn Hi Philippa & Big Mick I've post Sean's schedule from the celtic newsgroup. I can't say about Sean's CD's or him in concert but I can say having him in a session is more than just a joy.
PADDY KEENAN & SEAN TYRRELL
Itinerary Barry |
01 Aug 99 - 02:52 PM (#101344) Subject: RE: LYR ADD: The 12th of July / Sean Tyrrell From: Philippa ah, Mick, I'm tickled pink YI thought you'd enjoy Seán Tyrrell, it's not as though you bought a CD just for one song. PJ Curtis produced the album; I'm surprised he hasn't written on this thread. Seán has quite a knack for making songs of old poems like this. He found some of his songs-to-be in Kathleen Hoagland, ed. "1000 Years of Irish Poetry", including a few by John Boyle O'Reilly. I like the way Seán accompanies himself (on guitar, mandola, mandocello, with syncopation). So I rather like to hear him on his own without other musicians. I told Seán this when I saw him playing in a pub in County Clare with a little band, but I gathered he was getting a buzz out of playing with a group. He invited someone up from the floor; it was Davy Spillane. Davy didn't have pipes with him, but he played a low whistle. lest their contributions go unrecognised: Ezio and Emily, may you walk in the sunshine . |
01 Aug 99 - 11:36 PM (#101430) Subject: RE: LYR ADD: The 12th of July From: alison Mick, If you can get your mike to work... send me it on Mediaring and I'll do the tune...... slainte alison |
02 Aug 99 - 12:30 AM (#101445) Subject: RE: LYR ADD: The 12th of July From: emily rain *beaming in the sunbeams* thanks, barry, for the itinerary. i'll be sure not to miss 'em when they're in seattle. |
02 Aug 99 - 10:47 AM (#101534) Subject: RE: LYR ADD: The 12th of July From: Big Mick I had a gig on Saturday night which was in the small pub that I often talk about here on the 'cat. I read this poem to the crowd. You could have heard a pin drop. It is a wonderful piece and to think it is over a hundred and fifty years old.........just blows my mind. It is a near perfect expression hope for the future of the North. Ahhh, FAI ONE, thanks for the offer and I will take you up on it. I have struggled to figure out why the bloody thing won't work, but as soon as I do.......off she will go.
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03 Aug 99 - 01:42 PM (#101956) Subject: RE: LYR ADD: The 12th of July From: Pj Curtis -The Burren, Ireland. Great to read all the interest in the great Sean Tyrrell song "The 12th July" from his 'Cry of A Dreamer'. This man sings the "Irish blues"! Dont miss Sean and paddy keenan on their upcoming tour in the US.(listed above,) PJ Curtis(Producer of Cry Of A Dreamer and Davy Spillane's 'Shadow Hunter') |
03 Aug 99 - 02:17 PM (#101968) Subject: RE: LYR ADD: The 12th of July From: Peter T. Did you do "There Were Roses" as well, Mick, as promised? yours, Peter T. |
03 Aug 99 - 06:39 PM (#102049) Subject: RE: LYR ADD: The 12th of July From: johntm Philippa I agree with you that he is great when he sings by himself. Saw him in NY at The Blarney Star and he was wonderful. Sang many of the songs from his new album and I liked them better in person (obviously better live and 20 feet away) in part because he did not have all the accompaniment that is on the album. John T. M |
03 Aug 99 - 09:44 PM (#102098) Subject: RE: LYR ADD: The 12th of July From: Big Mick Yes, Peter, I did and the crowd in this pub loved it. They, as I, never knew this story. It was one of those wonderful nights where the crowd wasn't all that big, you had their absolute attention, and all the musicians and the sound guy were "on". The jokes worked well, the songs were all right on, and when I wanted to go serious I had their absolute attention. I was in that portion of the show where we have sung all the old and new rebel-type songs and I want to bring them back to the reality of what the people of the North face. I never want a crowd to leave one of my performances thinking that this is all glorious, rather they should understand, no matter the side they are on, the terrible cost of causes. Several people spoke to me of it and were very touched. Back to topic. PJ, I for one, am honored to have you post here. There are very few songs or singers whom I try to sound like. But Seán is one of the few exceptions. When I sing "The Walker of the Snow" off of your excellent production of "Shadow Hunter" I try to emulate every detail of that man's rendition. I am so disappointed that he won't be in the Midwest on this tour. I would gladly travel several hours each way to hear his concert. A marvelous voice and unequalled interpretation. And I am working on my own arrangement for "12th Of July" right now. Oh, by the way, Philippa, I gave you credit at my performance and a thanks for sharing this with is. Mick |
03 Aug 99 - 09:59 PM (#102101) Subject: RE: LYR ADD: The 12th of July From: j0_77 Is it appropriate ?? I wonder - here goes - there are excellent collections of Irish Folk from the 50's and 60's containing dozens of errr Irish songs. Check out the 'Wolfe Tones' :) My favorite is 'Paddy Mc Ginty's Goat' very phunnie
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04 Aug 99 - 10:28 AM (#102246) Subject: RE: LYR ADD: The 12th of July From: Philippa I saw an interesting webpage which so far I've only had a chance to scan(non-electronically): Lámh Dearg: Celtic Minstrels and Orange Songsters by David Cooper (University of Leeds) http://www.leeds.ac.uk/music/DeptInfo/Staff/DGC/celtmus.htm |
30 Sep 99 - 08:39 AM (#119291) Subject: Tune Add: THE 12TH OF JULY From: alison Here's the tune, thanks to Philippa for the 12th of July riots one she posted above (30/7/99/ 11.22am)
MIDI file: TWELTH~1.MID Timebase: 480 Name: THE 12TH OF JULY This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1
slainte alison
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30 Sep 99 - 09:15 AM (#119297) Subject: RE: LYR ADD: The 12th of July From: John Moulden While Seán Tyrrell's tune is much sung and presumably much liked, it is definitely not the one which Frazier had in mind (and I think most artisan poets of 18th 19th century had a tune in mind as they wrote). However, at the time, in all parts of Ireland there was much use of Scottish tunes. Try the tune for "A Man's a Man for a' that." It brings it within the area of songs which can be sung unaccompanied. |
07 Apr 07 - 01:57 PM (#2019190) Subject: Lyr Add: SONG FOR JULY 12TH 1843 (John D. Fraser) From: Jim Dixon Found with Google Book Search: This text appears in several books, but I selected the oldest of the ones available: The Spirit of the Nation, published by James Duffy, Dublin, 1845. The same song/poem is in the DT (see THE 12TH OF JULY), and has been posted elsewhere in the forum, (see Today in Irelands History) but there are numerous small differences, not the least of which are the title and the spelling of the author's name. For the fun of it, I have tried to reproduce the formatting, but you will have to narrow your browser window to make the centering look right. (Is there a way I can make this work with HTML?) BY J[ohn] D. FRASER. AIR—"Boyne Water." I. Come—pledge again thy heart and hand— One grasp that ne'er shall sever; Our watchword be—"Our native land"— Our motto—"Love for ever." And let the Orange lily be, Thy badge, my patriot brother— The everlasting Green for me; And—we for one another. Behold how green the gallant stem On which the flower is blowing; How in one heav'nly breeze and beam Both flower and stem are glowing. The same good soil sustaining both, Makes both united flourish: But cannot give the Orange growth, And cease the Green to nourish. Yes, more—the hand that plucks that flower Will vainly strive to cherish: The stem blooms on—but in that hour The flower begins to perish. Regard them, then, of equal worth While lasts their genial weather; The time's at hand when into earth The two shall sink together. Ev'n thus be, in our country's cause, Our party feelings blended; Till lasting peace, from equal laws, On both shall have descended. Till then the Orange lily be Thy badge, my patriot brother— The everlasting Green for me; And—we for one another. formatting fixed by format leprechuan |
29 Apr 07 - 07:14 PM (#2039029) Subject: RE: LYR ADD: The 12th of July From: Big Mick Thanks, Jim, for posting this. I perform this song of hope often. It is wonderful to have the original lyrics. And I still sing this song. Mick |
13 Jul 21 - 07:06 PM (#4113253) Subject: RE: Lyr Add: The 12th of July (riot in Montreal) From: Felipa John Moulden writes (July 2021): originally called "A Twelfth July Song" was written by a cabinet-maker called John de Jean Fraser in 1843. The intended tune was probably "A man's a man for a' that." ---- Moulden mentioned the tune in this thread as well, back in 1999, but I notice another version now of John Fraser's name. |