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Lyr Req: Love Don't Grow on Trees

04 Feb 98 - 03:19 AM (#20590)
Subject: Request: Love Don't Grow On Trees
From: Gordon Payne gpayne@thezone.net

A friend asked me to look for a song he thinks might have the title "Love Don't Grow On Trees". I don't know how old the song is. I was wondering if anbody had any idea about this song. Thanks Gord

This was in the "Forum Is Going to Close" thread, which really got my attention. I think it belongs here.
-Joe Offer-

04 Feb 98 - 01:17 PM (#20623)
Subject: RE: Request: Love Don't Grow On Trees
From: Bruce O.

Anyone know were I can find a copy of a 17th century ballad called "You'll never get her up; or, Love in a tree".

04 Feb 98 - 02:09 PM (#20626)
Subject: Lyr/Tune Add: THE PEAR TREE
From: Bruce O.

Is this the one?

THE PEAR TREE

Now me and two other boys went on the spree;
On our way we met a pear tree.
Up this pear tree I did climb,
For to get some pears I felt inclined,
[Cho.] To me ay me oh, me am-ma like a daisy,
Why fol the diddle, to me why fol the day.

When up this pear tree I'd got landed
(The other two lads from me they'd squandered),
Were not the pears that pleased me,
But a man and a woman came under the tree.

Now with kisses he embraced her,
Swore for many a mile he'd chased her;
Pulled off his coat to save her gown,
And he gently sits this fair maid down.

Now I shook this pear tree just like thunder;
The man and woman ran away in wonder.
Were not the pears that pleased me,
But a damn' good coat left under the tree.

Now off to town I ran like fire,
The owner of the coat being my desire;
The owner of the coat was nivver found out,
So I got a damn' good coat for nowt.

Come all ye lads wherever you may be,
Nivver go a-courtin under a pear tree;
Nivver pull your coats off to save their gowns,
For the pears they will come tumbling down.

As a tale all versions cited in Arne-Thompson, Folk Tale Type 1355B are continental European, as are addition ones cited by R. H. Robbins in 'The Hundred Merry Tales'. But an American tale version is in V. Randolph's 'Pissing in the Snow', and song versions abound. Three traditional versions of "The Pear Tree" are in 'Folk Music Journal' (EFDSS) and a different setting is in 'Tom and the Parson' in Alfred Williams' 'Folk Songs of the Upper Thames'. The oldest version that I know of is 'The Crossed Couple" on a broadside ballad "The Crost Couple" in my internet broadside ballad index as ZN1366. Two woodcuts from the 1660's showing the lovers on the ground and the boy peeping from the tree are earlier than the extant copies of the ballad.

X:1
T:The Pear Tree
N:Palmer's Everyman's Book of British Ballads
L:1/8
M:2/4
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05 Feb 98 - 11:43 AM (#20710)
Subject: RE: Request: Love Don't Grow On Trees
From: tiffany young

i would like to listen to all your music

05 Feb 98 - 12:04 PM (#20713)
Subject: RE: Request: Love Don't Grow On Trees
From: Jon W.

Tiffany, it's possible to listen to all the music that is posted on the forum if you have the right software and hardware. Look back through the threads on music theory, internet music 101, music notation software, etc. If you set your thread age to 7 days or even longer, you'll find plenty of threads with information on how to listen to the tunes. It takes a little effort but it's worth it.

05 Feb 98 - 12:16 PM (#20716)
Subject: RE: Request: Love Don't Grow On Trees
From: Jon W.

Click here to go to one of the most thorough threads on music software.

05 Feb 98 - 09:36 PM (#20751)
Subject: RE: Request: Love Don't Grow On Trees
From: Joe Offer

Now, I don't want to sound impertinent, but can the rest of you play Bruce's ABC notation, or do you have to do like I do and add line feeds? Do we need to teach him how to enter <BR> at the end of lines, or is it just my ABCMUS that won't read Bruce's linear ABC's?
-Joe Offer-

05 Feb 98 - 10:25 PM (#20759)
Subject: RE: Request: Love Don't Grow On Trees
From: Bruce O.

Joe, I don't enter them because it's more work to take out the html tags than put in the line feeds. Not everyone has or wants MSIE.

06 Feb 98 - 12:38 AM (#20765)
Subject: RE: Request: Love Don't Grow On Trees
From: Joe Offer

Answers my question, Bruce. If the HTML tags come through if you copy a tune when you use Netscape, then it's not a good idea to mix HTML line breaks in with the ABC because removing them would be a real mess. I thought both browsers would function the same when copying from the forum, but I guess not.
How do your tunes DISPLAY on Netscape? Is it just my MSIE that needs the HTML line breaks to display lyrics and tunes properly?-Joe-

06 Feb 98 - 09:22 AM (#20791)
Subject: RE: Request: Love Don't Grow On Trees
From: Bruce O.

I've don't know how to display them on Netscape. I've thought of another possibility. How many word processors have global search and replace? If I did them in html and one then replaced the left arrow - br - right arrow with nothing = space, this would strip off the only important html tag. One of my problems is that I have made errors on the html mark-up copy taken from my original ABC after I've checked the ABC. I don't know how to check the html marked up copy.

06 Feb 98 - 09:26 AM (#20792)
Subject: RE: Request: Love Don't Grow On Trees
From: Bruce O.

Probably we should ask Dick or Susan of DT how they prefer submissions, and do it that way.

06 Feb 98 - 10:19 AM (#20802)
Subject: RE: Request: Love Don't Grow On Trees
From: Jon W.

I use Netscape and at least for me, the html line breaks don't come through when I copy and paste to my editor (i.e. word processor).

06 Feb 98 - 11:09 AM (#20807)
Subject: RE: Request: Love Don't Grow On Trees
From: Bruce O.

I haven't tried to do it that way. I'll try if and see if I can make it work.

Warning, never try to copy the tune or check your marked up ABC from an HTML browser display. There are sometimes left and right arrows in an ABC and in a tune viewed by a web browser all between a left arrow and the next right arrow disappears from the display (but not from the file).

06 Feb 98 - 02:05 PM (#20819)
Subject: RE: Request: Love Don't Grow On Trees
From: Jon W.

The left and right arrows in ABC are used as a shorthand way of implementing dotted rhythm couplets, which also can be implemented by assigning specific note lengths. For example, to show a dotted quarter note (c) followed by an eighth note (d), assuming a default note length of 1/4, you can either write c > d or c3/2d/2. The first example might create problems in HTML, the second won't (I don't think!) So you either have to replace all right and left arrows in ABC with their HTML metacharacters (ampersand-g-t and ampersand-l-t, respectively) or use the long way of representing the rhythm, when posting a tune to the forum.

Unfortunately I forget this more often than I remember it.

06 Feb 98 - 02:15 PM (#20820)
Subject: RE: Request: Love Don't Grow On Trees
From: Joe Offer

When I mix ABC with HTML, I encounter alphabet overload. This is one of those situations when I realize how utterly confused I am about most of life. Suddenly, my brain is making the buzzing sound that comes when it is overwhelmed.....What happens next isn't pretty, folks. Aaaaaargh! Is there somebody who can explain this simply for us?
-Joe Offer-

06 Feb 98 - 02:50 PM (#20822)
Subject: RE: Request: Love Don't Grow On Trees
From: Bruce O.

I used to do the x/4y3/4 and so on but a viewer on a list (that's not html) complained that my tunes were hard to read that way and suggested I use the arrows. Maybe I can try harder to remember where thing are viewed in html and where they are not. (hard to remember where I am on this internet and how I do it here. I just posted something to the wrong list, too, which I'm sure was totally incomprehensible to vewiers on that list.

I'd still like to hear from Dick or Susan of DT as to a preferred method for submission of ABC's to this forum. We could then make a thread called something like 'ABC DT standard' in which we explained ways for people with various software how to get a playable file from a common format ABC file.

06 Feb 98 - 03:46 PM (#20823)
Subject: RE: Request: Love Don't Grow On Trees
From: Jon W.

Bruce, perhaps there are programs--maybe even newer releases of word processors or editors with which we are familiar--out there which will convert plain text to HTML. That way we could enter the ABC notation however we feel like, use right and left arrows galore, not worry about line breaks, and have the machine do the grunt work of changing the arrows to metacharacters, outputting the line breaks, etc. Can anyone out there tell us for sure about such software?

Joe, if you've got specific questions I can take a shot at them. Post me a personal message. Meanwhile, have you read the ABC standard available on the ABC homepage? It's really not that long and I found it to be a great help.

Jon W.

PS. We really ought to get this stuff into a new thread. Guess I'll do that now.

06 Feb 98 - 04:08 PM (#20826)
Subject: RE: Request: Love Don't Grow On Trees
From: Bruce O.

That's ABC standard V 1.6, and invaluable (and free).

There are programs to make HTML anc to check HTML mark-ups, but I don't have any or know what they're called. I'm all for making an ABC with directions to convert as simply as possible with a rudimentary ASCII word processor to a playable tune, and if anyone wants fancier software to do it fine, but not required.

17 Mar 16 - 02:57 PM (#3779470)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Love Don't Grow on Trees
From: GUEST,Carman Shirk

Love Don't Grow On Trees
Recorded By Johnny Burke
Written By R. Scaife / D. Scaife