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Arise, Sir Rudolph (Giuliani knighted?)

15 Oct 01 - 02:40 PM (#572648)
Subject: Arise , Sir Rudolph
From: Linda Kelly

In honour of his commitment and leadership following the events of September 11th, the Queen has bestowed an honorary knighthood on the mayor of New York( He is not allowed to call himself Sir) Now there are those of us who may disagree with this system of reward, but that's another story, in this instance, I am happy to make an exception.

15 Oct 01 - 02:47 PM (#572653)
Subject: RE: Arise , Sir Rudolph
From: GUEST,wildlone

It was also given in thanks for the way the relatives of UK citizens in the WTC were treated when they went to NYC
dave

15 Oct 01 - 04:08 PM (#572721)
Subject: RE: Arise , Sir Rudolph
From: McGrath of Harlow

Here is the editorial about it in the Guardian (England)Hizzoner gets a gong But why not honour all New Yorkers? suggesting it should have been a George Cross for New York as a whole, like Malta in the War.

Isn't it about time they made the City of New York a State? That'd be a fitting thing to do maybe.

    Leader: Hizzoner gets a gong

    This article was published on     guardian.co.uk at .
    History will probably - though not certainly - judge Rudolph Giuliani as one of the great mayors of New York City. His eight years in the official residence at Gracie Mansion have been years of economic and social rebirth for his dynamic city, although it is important to recall that they have also been regularly marred by controversy and that many other US cities have managed to transform themselves in the past 10 years without Mr Giuliani's help or his headlines. Since September 11, though, there can be no argument. Mr Giuliani has been an inspiration at home and abroad but, most of all, in the place where it has mattered most - in New York itself. Hizzoner has risen to the occasion.

    Not even the current worldwide wave of Giuliani admiration, though, should justify the British government's decision to give the mayor an honorary knighthood. Do not get this wrong. Britain should certainly find a way to honour New York in its time of trial. But there are better alternatives. As we argued here last month, an award to the people of New York - and especially to its emergency services - would be particularly appropriate. The George Cross - this country's highest civilian award for gallantry - would be an imaginative people-to-people choice.

    The Giuliani knighthood is the latest in a string of knighthoods conferred by recent British governments on Americans including Ronald Reagan, Caspar Weinberger, Colin Powell and, most recently, Bob Hope and Steven Spielberg. Unfortunately, the Blair government, which is supposedly innovative and modern in its approach to the honours system, is as bad if not worse than its predecessors. No disrespect intended to Mr Giuliani, but the system is getting tacky and is beginning to verge on the corrupt. This increasing one-way transatlantic trade in personal honours does no credit to either the giver or to the receiver, and it should be stopped.

16 Oct 01 - 12:17 PM (#573423)
Subject: RE: Arise , Sir Rudolph
From: Hollowfox

McGrath, separating the City from the State has been talked about for years, usually as a hollow threat by the City. Cynics in Upstate New York are of the opinion that the City needs the State as a financial base, so they'll never keep that promise. *g*

16 Oct 01 - 02:21 PM (#573521)
Subject: RE: Arise , Sir Rudolph
From: McGrath of Harlow

I know they've talked about it for years. Norman Mailer ran for mayor on the platform so he could write a book about it. If New Yorkers actually want it, now would be a good time to ask it and get it. It'd be great for the flag business too.