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28 Oct 01 - 09:33 AM (#581328) Subject: Help - Internet Sharing (esp. Paltalk) From: Jon Freeman I don't know if anyone here can help me or has any experience on this but it's worth a try: My situation is that there are 2 computers in the house and there are times when both users wish to be online at the same time. We only have a dial up connection but when sharing occurs, much of the time spent will be reading threads, posting replies etc or on ICQ so I don't see lack of bandwidth being a problem. Not having the luxury of a permanent conncetion and using the only phone line in the house, I would like to keep the option of each computer operating independently and dialing up it's own connection availible. This approach seems to me (I am new at this) to poin me to using something called NATS rather than a conventional proxy server which involves setting up individual applications with specific settings. I have a working TCP/IP network. Paltalk seems to be my biggest problem as I have yet to find any software that works without the need of a lot of configuration. Here are the problems I have ran across so far: FatPipe - seems to work fine on all applications except Paltalk but with Fatpipe installed, there seems to be nothing I can do to get sound on Paltalk - perhaps I can load windows without network support when I wan't to use this and Paltalk will work? Wingate - ENS which uses NAT runs out of memory using 4.0. Their beta version of 5.0 does not have this problem but there is no Win 95 support and one of the PCs runs that OS and I'd rather not change (P200 - 32MB ram -how would '98 do?). I have managd to get it running with a version 5.0 server and a 4.0 client but I get a lot of problems trying to use ENS - not sure if it is incompatibility with the versions or other problems. WinProxy. I installed it but I got scared when it wanted to change some setting that indicated that TCP/IP was set to dial up on some activity and wanted to automatically change settings as it conflicted with it's own operation - great but how or where do I change it back if this program doesn't meet my needs and I have to change back? Anyway, that is as far as I have got and I am tearing my hair out here! Has anyone got any advice, answers to my problems or positive feedback on software that they are using? Thanks, Jon |
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28 Oct 01 - 10:32 AM (#581346) Subject: RE: BS: Help - Internet Sharing (esp. Paltalk) From: Justa Picker Sygate is what I use. A no brainer to set up, and will allow two or more computers to share a modem (whether dial up or cable) and operate independently of each other on the Net. I'd previously tried Wingate and some others, and they were cumbersome and a total pain in the ass to tweak. If you want a copy of it and instructions to set it up on both machines, PM me with your email address, Jon. |
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28 Oct 01 - 11:13 AM (#581370) Subject: RE: BS: Help - Internet Sharing (esp. Paltalk) From: Jon Freeman Thanks JP, I may well take you up on that one! Just one question I'd like to ask here as it maybe useful to others: Do you have any experience in using Paltalk with this product. Jon |
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28 Oct 01 - 11:32 AM (#581378) Subject: RE: BS: Help - Internet Sharing (esp. Paltalk) From: Justa Picker No I don't Jon...but you could experiement with the program and see if it will allow you to use Paltalk on one machine, while someone is one the second cpu doing something else on the Internet. I can't see how there'd be a problem if you were running Paltalk on the host machine with the direct modem connection. I can do most anything on the net, as well as play games or other non internet things while the other cpu in my office is being used by the kids visiting various cartoon and animated web sites. (Mind you I have a constant cable connection.) I think with 56K sharing, it will slow things down on the host machine, if the other cpu is on the web or whatever. Best to give it a shot, see how it works out, and if it does, great, and if it doesn't uninstall it. |
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28 Oct 01 - 01:36 PM (#581436) Subject: RE: BS: Help - Internet Sharing (esp. Paltalk) From: Uncle_DaveO I recently went on DSL, mainly because it leaves the telephone usable at the same time. Now I'm speculating whether one could have one computer on the DSL while the other computer used a conventional modem over the conventional telephone side of the line. Seems to me it would work. However, it would get back to the "I tried to call you, but it was busy, busy, busy" problem again. Dave Oesterreich |
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28 Oct 01 - 07:15 PM (#581595) Subject: RE: BS: Help - Internet Sharing (esp. Paltalk) From: JohnInKansas Jon: We've been running two PCs on a single connection for about 2 years now, using nothing but "Win Internet Connection Sharing" on an ethernet TCP/IP LAN. I haven't tried PalTalk, but I think the SO has. Hers is the "Master Machine." It does require Win98 minimum, at least on the machine with the modem. I made a brief try some time ago, unsuccessfully, when we were both running Win98, but didn't get serious about it until she got her new Win2000. The thing I learned when I got into it was that, apparently, if you have ever had a direct modem connection on the secondary machine, you have to do a complete manual uninstall of IE, and reinstall, after the primary machine is set up and connected. Apparently, once a machine learns to dial the phone, it has to be lobotomized to make it quit trying. The manual uninstall means deleting a specific list of about 35 files. Once you've done the deletions, you can do a normal "add software" in Windows to reinstall. Way back before Win2000, the word on the street was that you could use this ICS setup as long as the PC that "owns" the connection is Win98. A Win95 machine could theoretically tap into the Win98 connection. I can't vouch for that - since I never got mine working back then. Mickeysoft has an instruction for how to do it, and a batch file to help; but you do have to tweak the batch file to match what's actually on your machine. Took me about 7 hours to get through the procedure, but then I'm slow and I made notes. Once we got it up, the only problem has been that the cookies and temp files keep loading the hard drive, and the connection gets ratty unless you go in and clean house frequently. As far as I've been able to determine, you can't have a dialup connection on the secondary machine(s). Can't sell that as a confirmed thing though. John |
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28 Oct 01 - 08:24 PM (#581629) Subject: RE: BS: Help - Internet Sharing (esp. Paltalk) From: Jon Freeman Thanks all. I am not sorted out but I will give my initial feedback as I am too tired to try to do any more trouble shooting right now. I have tried Sygate and it does look to be the program I was looking for and I have managed to connect to Paltalk and everything else on my machine (the server) without problems. It seems to allow a user the choice of using thier services or not which is great for my needs and desire to be able to run stand alone although I have yet to prove it. I love the way that this product lets the client know that the server is dialing out - a big plus in my circumstances and their sort of "network neighborhood" which tells you what is connected and details the basic TCP/IP settings. Now for the bad news... the client does not work and I think it has to do with the TCP/IP settings - the DNS and Gateway settings show as 0.0.0.0 where I have them set to point to the server computer. The package looks very worthwhile to me and I will try to figure this one out and I am encouraged further by a positive reccomendation - helps a lot when you are struggling, trying to work out what works and what doesn't, have various software options to consider, etc. - big thanks to JP for that! Jon |
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28 Oct 01 - 08:34 PM (#581635) Subject: RE: BS: Help - Internet Sharing (esp. Paltalk) From: Justa Picker Did you try reconfiguring both network cards to the assigned IP's I sent in the instructions? Definitely sounds like a TCP/IP problem be the two network cards. Make sure TCP/IP is the connecting protocol between both of your computers (as opposed to IPX or direct cable connection, etc.) It could also be a WIN95 problem, as Sygate was designed for W98 (but should run on W95). Like I mentioned to you privately, it works flawlessly for those with two (or more) networked computers sharing a single cable modem. In principle it should also work if that modem is a dial-up connection. Get away from it all for now, get some sleep, and tomorrow, try using the IP settings I gave you for each network card (not the alternate one), make sure the computers see each other on the network and share file access, and then run your dialup, connect, and go to your web browser on the secondary machine and tell it that it's connected to the Internet through a LAN, not a dialup (and don't use the proxy server connections either in that web browser...and I bet you'll be in business. |
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28 Oct 01 - 08:57 PM (#581647) Subject: RE: BS: Help - Internet Sharing (esp. Paltalk) From: Jon Freeman JP, I am leaving it for tonight but the settings are as you gave me. The Gateway and DNS settings on the client seem to either be ignored or overruled - possibly a Windoze problem rather than one with Sygate... Jon |