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19 Nov 01 - 10:29 AM (#595586) Subject: cornish songs From: CharlieA being a cornish lass in the midlands i have decided that it is time i learn a few songs from my home county (or country! *g*). anyone got any good songs (not the obvious ones like camborne hill tho) Cxxx |
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19 Nov 01 - 10:35 AM (#595590) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: Sorcha 'Allo! On the main forum page, there is a white box called Digitrad and Forum Search. Put Cornwall in and click go. Bob's your uncle! |
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19 Nov 01 - 10:39 AM (#595592) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: CharlieA done that got 5/6 not what i was looking for. soz *g* cxxx |
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19 Nov 01 - 10:51 AM (#595598) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: Sorcha Odd. When I do it, I get at least 8 different songs, and a long page of links to threads with discussion and lyrics posted. I can't remember how to link to a SuperSearch results page.... |
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19 Nov 01 - 11:05 AM (#595608) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: Scabby Douglas Search for "padstow"... It's under the heading Cornish May Carol... Cracking song.. Cheers Steven |
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19 Nov 01 - 11:07 AM (#595609) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: CharlieA yes i know that one - thats where i was from ish - not to be sung on any other day on pain of being thrown in the harbour! *g* Cxxx |
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19 Nov 01 - 11:11 AM (#595614) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: Sorcha Then you need to give us some titles or lyric snippets. No point in us looking for stuff you have already found, and we don't know what you have. |
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19 Nov 01 - 11:32 AM (#595619) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: CharlieA I'm looking for some ballad style songs - the more unusual songs - i know most of the well known cornish songs. Just throw some lyrics at me (and i'll dodge the sharp corners *g*) and i'll have a read. I was looking for stuff not in the forum - like from peoples personal collections. that sorta thing. Cxxx |
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19 Nov 01 - 11:35 AM (#595622) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: Sorcha OK. |
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19 Nov 01 - 11:49 AM (#595631) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: Sorcha Charlie, have you checked out these links? |
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19 Nov 01 - 04:55 PM (#595807) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: Dead Horse I got this book. It's a big thick book. It's called “Folksongs of Britain and Ireland.” It's got a Cornish section. It's got twelve songs from Cornwall. They are:
Camborne Hill
Pick what you want and I'll post the English and/or Cornish lyrics |
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19 Nov 01 - 05:33 PM (#595828) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: GUEST,Bobby Bob, Ellan Vannin Mervyn Davey (his bardic name is Telynor an Werin) produced a book entitled 'Hengan' which is subtitled 'Traditional Folk Songs, Dances and Broadside Ballads Collected in Cornwall'. It was published back in 1983 by Dyllansow Truran, and the address is Trewolsta, Trewirgie, Redruth, Cornwall. Its ISBN number is - ISBN 0 907566 71 5 It has -
21 songs 'From the Mouths of the People' The broadsides are in English only, but the 30 oral and reconstructed songs are in Cornish and English. It would be worth getting hold of a copy of that. I'm sure there are other publications with Cornish songs in as well these days. Lhiats, Bobby Bob |
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19 Nov 01 - 07:32 PM (#595915) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: Snuffy Camborne Hill in the DT is extremely short. I know several Cornishmen who have promised to give me more verses, but they've never delivered. Can you oblige, Charlie? |
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19 Nov 01 - 08:26 PM (#595974) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: breezy 'cry of tin' by the Cornwall Songwriters- Lyngham House Music,St. ERvan, Wadebridge, Cornwall PL27 7RT. This brings you up to date, but the big hit of the moment is Roger Bryant's 'Cornish Lads' as featured on a Rum n Shrub shanty CD.Good hunting, see you in the ringers on May -Day eve and hear Webber's 'Hail, Hail the 1st. of May-o'.Then there's the book of the newer may day songs available from the same address I think its Mike Connor you be chasin' ater. |
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19 Nov 01 - 09:48 PM (#596026) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: Wotcha Try: Helston Hal an Tow; The Candleford Anthem (The Beauty of Kashmir aka Cadgwith Anthem); Trelawney's Army; Song of the Western Men. Check the threads for contributions by former Mudcatter BAZ who has some great songs. For modern songs and some shanties try the Cornish group "Hanging Johnny." Or just take a trip to the Cove Inn, Cadgwith on a Friday and listen to the local "fishermen" sing as they have for generations (recorded by Peter Kennedy in the 1950s). Cheers, Brian |
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20 Nov 01 - 04:58 AM (#596177) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: CharlieA Breezy, any chance you could post webbers 1st of may'o' for me or PM me with it. hopefully i will get time off for May DAy (and be down the ringers with dad and woff on may day eve). Dead Horse if i could have the Wassail song, Hal an Tow and the tree on the hill. Snuffy i willtry and remember all i can. to follow! thanks all keep em commin. Cxxx |
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20 Nov 01 - 09:18 AM (#596311) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: Malcolm Douglas Hal An Tow has been discussed, and posted, a number of times here. I've put a list of links to relevant threads at: What does 'Hal an Tow' mean?. You might also look at an earlier discussion, CORNISH SONGS, which contains links to further material available here. |
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20 Nov 01 - 11:26 AM (#596414) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: JudeL There's one who's chorus is (I think) : For Cornishmen are fishermen, and Cornishmen are miners too but when the fish and tin are gone what are the Cornish lads to do If I can find the rest of the song (I had the lyrics somewhere) I'll post the verses (unless someone beats me to it). Jon Heslop (one of those who do "cry of tin" ) has also written some lovely songs of the area. Ordinary Men, Cheap Boat etc |
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20 Nov 01 - 12:05 PM (#596456) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: Matthew Edwards John Howson's Veteran label Click Here has some Cornish recordings. On the CD Vic Legg: I've come to sing a song: Cornish Family Songs VT129CD you can hear the following: 1.I've come to sing a song 2.Thorneymore woods 3.Young man cut down 4.Garners Gay 5.If I do,I do 6.The beggerman 7.Just beginning to sprout 8.The banks of the sweet Dundee 9.She crab/Lonely widow 10.Barbara Ellen 11.The molecatcher 12.Banks of the sweet primroses 13.Dockyard medley: (a)Dockyard children (b)Rushing through the dockyard (c)Two newly-weds (d)Barely 23 (e)Little bit of wastage 14.Outlandish Knight 15.The hell-bound train 16.Me and my wife Evidently not all of these songs are specifically Cornish as such, but Vic comes from a Cornish traveller family, and nearly all his material comes from them. He can be heard singing regularly at the Bodmin Folk Club these days. There are also songs from his mother, Sophie Legg, together with her sisters, Betsy and Charlotte Renals, on an earlier Veteran cassette Catch Me If You Can VT119 (out of stock at present, but may be reissued on CD). |
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20 Nov 01 - 12:21 PM (#596468) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: Matthew Edwards Sorry I posted my previous message before going on to mention another goody from Veteran; 'Rouse, Rouse':Traditional Christmas Carols from Padstow in Cornwall collected by Doc Rowe; on VT117 (cassette only).Contents are: Jesse Softly the night Lo! The Eastern sages rise Shepherds rejoice Angels from the realms Harky, Harky Bold the grace Lo! He comes an infant stranger Zadock Mountains Rouse, Rouse This is a field recording (on one song you can hear a phone ringing, followed by a hushed conversation!), but it is a real pleasure to listen to. I'm sure that if enough Mudcatters demanded this John Howson might be prevailed upon to reissue this on CD in time for Christmas!! |
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20 Nov 01 - 12:42 PM (#596476) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: GUEST,Kernow John Bobby Bob I understand fom Merve that Henegan is now out of print. However he did give me permission to photocopy a library copy I found. I have posted some of these in the past in both English and Cornish but didn't seem to generate much interest. If anyone would like more let me know. I have posted Cornish Lads to the forum but can't remember if I added the tune. Mike O'Connor sometimes reads these pages and is a member of Cornish Songwriters. He can be contacted at Folknews Kernow. Cornish Songwriters have at least 2 books out "Cry of Tin" and "Silver Harvest" I can recommend both. Both books have CD's to go with them. Hope this helps KJ. |
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20 Nov 01 - 12:57 PM (#596486) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: MMario Kernow John - yes, please post. A lot of times a posting does not seem to generate much interst - but down the road you start finding a lot of people referring to it - or singing it, etc. I know with some postings I just bookmark and/or download rather then trash up a thread. |
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20 Nov 01 - 02:44 PM (#596583) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: Jeanie Kernow John - I wonder if the "Merve" you mention is the self same "Merve" I sang with in the band "Fal Folk" 20+ years ago, based at the Dock & Railway in Falmouth. Sounds like it might be.If it is - say hello to him from me ! Apart from the "standard" Cornish songs already mentioned (e.g. Cadgwith Anthem, Camborne Hill etc.) we sang one called "The Mystery" (in Cornish and English) about a boat that sailed from Newlyn to Australia in 1850-something. "Now if you'll hear me, I'll tell you of a boat//Her name the Mystery, from Newyln she put out .." Forgive my poor Cornish spelling, but it was something like "Un cok kernewek a Newyln ha wolyas/Hinwys an Mystery , ha pumptek ton y bos..." I used to have a recording of us singing this - if you have the words to post here, that would be great ! I don't think anyone on this thread has mentioned "Tom Bawcock's Eve" yet. That was another one we did. Also "The Candlelight Fisherman". Regards to "Merve" ! Jeanie
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20 Nov 01 - 03:02 PM (#596595) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: GUEST,BB & Doctor Tom Hi, Charlie. Come and raid our bookshelves when you're in CM at the end of May. |
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20 Nov 01 - 03:39 PM (#596622) Subject: ADD: WASSAIL (Truro 1957) From: Dead Horse WASSAIL (Truro 1957) Now Christmas is over and the New Year begin Pray open your doors and let us come in Ch With our wassail Wassail, wassail, wassail And joy come to our jolly wassail Good mistress and master, sitting down by the fire Whilst we poor wassail boys are traveling the mire This ancient old house we'll kindly salute It is the old custom you need not dispute We are here in this place, we orderly stand We're the jolly wassail boys with a bowl in our hand We hope that your apple trees will prosper and bear And bring forth good tidings when we come next year We hope that your barley will prosper and grow That you may have plenty and more to bestow Good mistress and master, how can you forbear? Come fill up our bowl with cider and beer Good mistress and master, sitting down at your ease Put your hands in your pockets and give what you please I wish you a blessing and a long time to live Since you've been so free and so willing to give Line Breaks <br> added. |
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20 Nov 01 - 03:57 PM (#596641) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: breezy Charlie, I'ld like to but go and ask Dave first.I'll sing it on Friday at the Silver cup Harpenden. |
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20 Nov 01 - 03:59 PM (#596643) Subject: Lyr Add: THE TREE ON THE HILL From: Dead Horse Hal-An-Tow is in the lyrics pages. THE TREE ON THE HILL. Now on a hill there was a tree. Such a tree you never did see. The tree on the hill and the hill stood still. And the green grass grew all around. And the green grass grew all around, my boys. And the green grass grew all around. And the green grass grew all around, my boys. And the green grass grew all around.
Now on that tree there was a branch. Now on that branch there was a twig. Now on that twig there was a leaf. Now on that leaf there was a nest. Now in that nest there was an egg. Now in that egg there was a bird. Now on that bird there was a wing. Now on that wing there was a feather.
Now on that feather there was a flea.
And one day I'll understand how to format in this box, dammit. If you want the Cornish, I'll have to try and see what the OCR on my scanner does with it. |
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20 Nov 01 - 04:04 PM (#596647) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: Dead Horse Ye gods! How did my smiley end up with mouth on bottom line? It's true what my old form teacher used to say, "Must try harder" |
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20 Nov 01 - 04:31 PM (#596670) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: Malcolm Douglas From the notes in Peter Kennedy's Folksongs of Britain and Ireland (1975):
Wassail Song "Harold Tozer and the Truro Wassail Bowl Singers, rec. P. Kennedy, Malpas, 1957: BBC 25653 The Truro "Wassail Boys", up to the time when this recording was made, had maintained an unbroken tradition of wassailing around Truro and district between Christmas and the New Year. Into the wooden Wassail Bowl, which they carry from door to door, goes a wide variety of alcoholic drinks and coins donated by the householders and landlords of public houses on whom they call. Very similar sets have been found in a number of parts of England.
The Tree on the Hill "John Casley, Morvah, Cornwall, rec. P. Kennedy, 1956: BBC 23654"
You need to use html for line-breaks, thus: <BR>. It's all explained in the FAQ. The only reliable way of placing accents over letters is also to use html codes, but you may have trouble with Cornish, which uses superscript "-" a lot, and for which there appears to be no code in the Western Character Set. When I've posted Cornish text in the past, I've used acute accents instead, but it's a less than ideal expedient. If your OCR reads the accents properly, you may get away with copy-and-paste for them, but there's no guarantee that they will display correctly in all browsers. |
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21 Nov 01 - 01:10 AM (#596995) Subject: Lyr Add: MY PAN ESEN OW KWANDRA From: GUEST,Síle My Pan Esen Ow Kwandra (Sung to tune "I Love my Love")
My pan esen ow kwandra
A out war nas drok venyn
Aban na vynn'ta krysi
A Eva kyns dell vy serrys == As I Was Walking
As I was walking
O out upon you bad woman
Since you will not believe
Eve, rather than you be angry |
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21 Nov 01 - 07:04 AM (#597084) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: Kernow John There is a guy called Harry Glasson writing songs about the fishing, farming and customs in Cornwall today. He was made a Bard at the last Gorseth to honour him for his music. Our band does some of his songs and they never fail to go down well. I will ask him next time I see him if it's OK to post them. Look out for one in particular called Flora Day it's about a man that left Wendron (near Helston) when the Cornish mines closed down and went out to Michigan to find work. But his big dream is to raise enough money to get back home just to be at Flora Day and hear the band. Anyone who has been at the 7am start of Flora Day will know the feeling Harry talks about in the song. KJ |
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04 Jun 06 - 07:31 PM (#1752988) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: jacqui.c I'm looking for the words of 'Cornishmen are fishermen' and somewhere that I can find the tune - can anyone help? |
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04 Jun 06 - 07:36 PM (#1752993) Subject: Lyr Add: CORNISH LADS (Roger Bryant) From: Herga Kitty CORNISH LADS By Roger Bryant ^^^ Well Cornish lads are fishermen And Cornish lads are miners too But when the fish and tin are gone what are the Cornish boys to do? Well.....etc From Newlyn town we used to sail Through rain and mist and lashing gale The mackerel shoals we hoped to find And soon we've left Land's End behind Well.....etc We've searched the seven stones all around But not a sign or shoal we've found Round Island light is now in sight But Scillies are a barren ground Well.....etc The winding engines used to sing A melody to Cornish tin And Geevor lads they all would grin At pay day on a Friday Well.....etc The water now reclaims the mine And young men talk of old men's time And go to work in gold or coal Or face a life upon the dole Well.....etc The hammer of the auction man Is the only sound we soon will hear And visitors will make the noise And order drinks from Cornish boys Well.....etc We'll do as we have done before Go out to roam the wild world o'er Wherever sea or ship are found Or there's a hole down underground Well Cornish lads are fishermen And Cornish lads are miners too So when the fish and tin are gone That's what the Cornish boys will do |
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04 Jun 06 - 08:48 PM (#1753026) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: Desert Dancer Also discussed in this thread. ~ Becky in Tucson |
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05 Jun 06 - 03:59 AM (#1753167) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: jacqui.c Thank you! |
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05 Jun 06 - 04:45 AM (#1753181) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: pavane Many years ago, I lived in Chadwell Heath (Essex). The library there had a specialist music section, which included books such as Kidson's Traditional Tunes (1896). (In 1971, I was the first person since 1936 to take it out of the library!) They had one book which was songs from Cornwall - unfortunately that is all I can remember, except for the title of one of the songs, Boats of Sennen. |
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05 Jun 06 - 04:56 AM (#1753187) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: Big Al Whittle Rosie Hardman wrote a song called The Road to Marazion |
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05 Jun 06 - 05:19 AM (#1753198) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: Cats at Work Jacqui - I could have sung this for you while you were at the cottage. Jon and I have recorded it and Jon is one of Cornwall Songwriters, along with Roger Bryant. Give me a ring and I'll do something about getting it to you. Cats |
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05 Jun 06 - 07:30 PM (#1753632) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: GUEST,JD The best version of 'Cornish Lads' was sung and recorded by Jinks Stack a fantastic 3 part harmony group from Cornwall. They were the actual carriers of the song which made national news during the South Crofty closing procedure - double page in the Guardian, local and national BBC etc etc. It was these lads who in my view made the song what it has become. They also sing other good Cornish Songs and Graham O'Callaghan continues to sing them at festivals and clubs around the country. I hear that they are to reform with their first gigs in the autumn. Graham's e-mail is graham.ocallaghan@lineone.net if you want more help. |
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07 Dec 13 - 03:30 PM (#3582408) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: GUEST Hi, I'm writing on behalf of my 80 something grandma who has lived in padstow most of her life. I've recently discovered that a CD once existed of the padstow carols. I would love to source a copy (tape or CD) of rouse rouse or harky harky, even if it was just a copy for her to listen to as more and more frequently we are having to pick her up for Christmas before the carollers visit her. It would make her year not only to have a copy but also to introduce great grandchildren to the beautiful music. Many thanks Tamsin Sent from my HTC |
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07 Dec 13 - 07:50 PM (#3582461) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: Little Robyn Hi Tamsin, if you contact Sue Norfolk who puts out the Padstow Echo magazine, she might know where to find a copy. Kathy (Cats) sings with the carollers and she may also have a recording. I have an old tape recording that I copied back in 1972 but it's here in NZ and isn't on CD. I'm sure you'll find it somewhere - possibly on youtube by now??? No, I've just checked and it seems to have been removed. The nearest I can find is the Sheffield Carols. Robyn |
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08 Dec 13 - 07:38 AM (#3582552) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: doc.tom GUEST - Tamsin. If you send me a personal message (PM), we'll see what we can do! 'Oss, Oss! |
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08 Dec 13 - 12:09 PM (#3582615) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: GUEST Those Carol evenings are listed in West Sheffield and London |
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11 Dec 13 - 04:52 AM (#3583204) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: GUEST Thank you to you all. It would make grandma's Christmas if I could sort something out . Will try and pm you now doc.tom. Oss, Oss a very merry Christmas to you all. |
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11 Dec 13 - 05:13 AM (#3583214) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: GUEST Doc.Tom: I'm guessing that I need to be a member to pm you? I've sent Joe a very nice email requesting membership, but if I'm being dense and have missed something, then please help a poor emmet! |
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11 Dec 13 - 11:30 AM (#3583316) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: Long Firm Freddie There's links to Angels from the Realms of Glory and While Shepherds Watched (Tune: Zadoc) as sung on the street of Padstow plus sheet music for Rouse, Rouse on this page:Cornish Carols LFF |
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13 Dec 13 - 11:24 AM (#3583826) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: TamsinF This is really good thank you lff. Just got to work out how to download them now! |
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13 Dec 13 - 11:47 AM (#3583834) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: maeve Welcome to Mudcat, TamsinF. Maeve |
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18 Dec 13 - 07:03 PM (#3585300) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: TamsinF Thanks Maeve |
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19 Dec 13 - 04:39 PM (#3585518) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: Gurney Cyril Tawney recorded an LP, 'Children's Songs from Devon and Cornwall,' I think of songs he had personally collected, mostly. His wife Rosemary may have more information. |
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20 Dec 13 - 03:30 AM (#3585587) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: GUEST,Jeremy Main Nigh on twenty years ago I supplied Malcolm Douglas with the Cornish version of Limady, a variant of "Sweet Lemony", used by The Albion Band as the leadout on the stage version of Lark Rise to Candleford. Although there's a certain amount of debate about the provenance, the source correctly located Morton Nance' previously lost private papers, and the practical outcome is that it seems to have re-entered the Cornish repertoire anyhow, so yr'tis. |
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20 Dec 13 - 04:28 AM (#3585595) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: cornish songs From: Keith A of Hertford A way from Padstow, but remember the St Day carol. |