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27 Nov 01 - 06:11 AM (#598357) Subject: Ever get the feeling ....? From: nutty Max said that he'd cut short his Thankgiving break and come home early because of a wierd anxiety that all was not well at home As we all know Mudcat had a major crash Everyone out there with kids (particularly teenagers) or pets will recognise the feeling Nine times out of 10 there is no problem ..... what is the worst happening that you have come home to???? I think I was lucky in that the anticipation was worse than the actual event, when after a weekend away at a festival, I came home to find a note from my son (then about 17) saying..... Dear Mam... Gone to bed .... Hope you had a great time. luv ya PS .... don't worry about the black eye |
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27 Nov 01 - 06:43 AM (#598365) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: Morticia I came home to find one of my cats beds full of blood and , sure enough, the little chap was dead....that was grim. |
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27 Nov 01 - 11:19 AM (#598498) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: SharonA Actually, the worst for me wasn't when I came home but when I went to work recently: I left my apartment at about 8:20 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time (eastern US) feeling a crushing sense of sadness for no apparent reason. I wondered at this, since it was a beautifully clear morning, I wasn't experiencing any unusually stressful situations such as an illness in the family, and I wasn't close to the time I might be experiencing PMS. So I tried to shrug it off, drove to work, settled in at my desk for my morning routine, and turned on the radio to hear, instead of the usual program, a report that a plane had hit a skyscraper in New York City. It was September 11th. I still wonder if that heavily-depressed feeling "meant" anything. |
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27 Nov 01 - 12:21 PM (#598533) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: Marymac90 I had a sort-of reverse of this once. As a volunteer, I did the book-keeping for a political organization I belonged to. Sometimes I used to do this at odd hours--since I had a key to the place it made no difference when I went there. Often when I'd work at night, I'd get sleepy around 1 am and go home to bed then. One June night I was doing the end-of-the-fiscal-year balances. On this particular night, I had loads of energy, and my brain was crunching the numbers very clearly (with the help of the calculator!) I really wanted to get the balances finished, because our annual meeting was coming up. So I just stayed at it, past 2, 3, 4 am, finally going home around dawn. When I got home to the large twin house I shared with 5 or 6 other adults, and a couple of small children, there was a police car parked outside, but that was not TOO unusual, in our somewhat rough neighborhood. I went in and went to my room, which was on the ground floor, right in the front, with a window next to my bed that looked out onto the porch we shared with the tenants on the other side of the twin. Shortly after I was trying to catch up on my lost zzzzz's. A couple hours later, my housemate Rosy came to my room, with something she needed to tell me. There had been a disturbance on the other side of the twin during the night. Apparently there was a mother with a young child that lived there, and she was estranged from the child's father. He apparently used to come by at inappropriate times, like the middle of the night, (possibly under the influence), to see his child, and perhaps to argue with, or try to extract sexual favors from the child's mother. This young mother apparently had a new friend, and they did not appreciate these nocturnal visits. On this particular night, apparently the young mother's friend was prepared to respond to these unwanted visits in a very forceful way. When the father came to the door of the building, apparently the friend shot him to death on the porch, right outside my bedroom window! I'll always feel that some protective spirit kept me safe at the office, crunching numbers, so I didn't suffer the trauma of waking up to a murder a few feet from my bed!!! Marymac
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27 Nov 01 - 12:36 PM (#598545) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: SINSULL I used to bring my son a small gift when returning from a business trip. This trip, I stopped in the hotel gift shop and saw some unusual band-aids - brightly colored stars and hearts. The thought went through my head that he could use them for the cut on his face. Immediately, I went to my room to call home and find out what was wrong. I had two friends who sat for me. One answered the phone and said "Nothing's wrong. Lawrence is fine." Then came a commotion and a lot of frightened crying. My son came in the door with the other sitter. He had been hit in the face with a hard ball losing one tooth, breaking two, and requiring 36 stitches. The two guys went into a panic - useless. I was able to coordinate a neighbor and the doctor from Detroit.To this day I know when he is in trouble. A mother thing, I guess. Another time, I was making a sales call in Manhattan and suddenly felt like something was very wrong. I was running late but stopped to call a friend who was my emergency contact for my son. She was in a state too- said "Something is wrong." She had been trying to get her daughter. Just then there was a loud explosion on the street. Manhole covers went flying up and down the street. Stopping to make the phone call probably saved my life. |
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27 Nov 01 - 12:43 PM (#598550) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: catspaw49 Just the other day I was listening to Kendall and sure as hell I had to run off to the bathroom with a bad case of the shits! Spaw |
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27 Nov 01 - 01:52 PM (#598588) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: SINSULL Interesting Spaw. Mother Theresa has the same effect on you...and George Bush and your town librarian and... Leave the Captain alone or a horde of angry Mudcat women will be on your case. Now that you are healthy we won't hesitate to beat the crap out of you! Or worse yet - send you the latest singing toy to turn up at Rite-Aide. A very large one eyed one horned flying purple people eater who sings the entire song and cannot be shut off once the button is pushed! Behave yourself! |
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27 Nov 01 - 02:16 PM (#598614) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: Amos Well he went on his way, and whaddya know I saw him last night on a Tee Vee show!....." Here it cooooomes, Spawman!!
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27 Nov 01 - 04:14 PM (#598733) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: wysiwyg Yes, often... it's a large part of the mysticism side of my faith, now that I've dedicated that part of my "wiring" (and all that flows from it) to my life in Christ. More information available via e-mail-- I wrote a long description once of what I experience in this regard. ~Susan |
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27 Nov 01 - 04:31 PM (#598743) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: Helen When I was still working in the library I went to lunch one day and as I was standing at a street corner waiting for the lights to change I realised that I had an overwhelming sense of something really bad happening. I studied everyone across the road and near me to see if I could isolate who it related to, but the more I tried to isolate it the more I sensed that everyone would be affected. I thought that maybe a truck was going to plough into the people on the sidewalk or something like that, but that didn't feel right either. I tried to dismiss the feeling, but it just got stronger and stronger. Nothing happened that day, or for the next few days, but a week to the day after that, I was standing in exactly the same spot feeling totally overwhelmed and anxious, just like everyone else around me. We had had the big Newcastle (NSW, Oz) earthquake that morning, totally unexpected, and everyone's world had turned upside down. I never ignore that feeling, but that time I couldn't pin it down, and I also strongly felt that there was nothing I could do to avert the disaster. Helen |
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27 Nov 01 - 07:15 PM (#598886) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: GUEST,kendall Sic 'em Sinsull! |
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27 Nov 01 - 07:41 PM (#598907) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: GUEST,HippieChick Spaw, you and Kitty are spirit sibs! ROFLMAO! |
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27 Nov 01 - 07:54 PM (#598917) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: Murray MacLeod For a lucid explanation of these apparent psychic miracles, may I refer you all to "The Science of Chance" by Dr Horace Levinson. (Pub. Faber & Faber ) I would like to read about all the times you had premonitions of doom and nothing untoward happened. But we don't remember these occasions, do we? Murray |
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27 Nov 01 - 08:08 PM (#598930) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: catspaw49 Aw geez Sins, I hate to think of what might be available.......Then again, the Gordon Bok Fan may be hitting the drug store shelves anytime now as they don't seem to be moving well......... I would like to read about all the times you had premonitions of doom and nothing untoward happened. But we don't remember these occasions, do we? To be entirely truthful, I often get an overwhelming and intense feeling accompanied by increased heart rate and cold sweats where I am absolutely but quite frighteningly sure that Murray will eventually say something intelligent. This hasn't happened yet but fortunately the meds are reasonably effective in treating this debilitating condition. Hippie Chick...Send Kitty ASAP when she returns. I need help here. Spaw
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27 Nov 01 - 08:37 PM (#598947) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: GUEST,SINSULL Did Captain Morse just suggest that I am a dog????? |
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27 Nov 01 - 08:50 PM (#598963) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: Jeri Murray, that's the only sort of premonition I've had. I used to call people on the phone when I got that weird feeling that something was wrong. Invariably, nothing would be wrong. Well, I did have a dream once. I hadn't seen my aunt and uncle since they'd moved to Florida - maybe 5 years or more. They used to live in a house that was entirely panelled with pine. I dreamed I was walking through pine paneled hallways, and came to a spot with an opening in the wall covered with a black curtain. I heard my aunt's voice said "all this is yours, now." When I awoke, my mom was on the phone with my uncle. My aunt had just died. I hadn't even known she was sick. I think the dream may have meant that my memories of her and the house were what were mine - what was left of her. Spaw, I'm seriously considering sending you some kind of loud, obnoxious toy for Christmas if you post anything A-F*CKING-BOUT THAT F*CKING FAN A-F*CKING-GAIN!!! Maybe somewhere, there's a little dancing Santa that "ho-ho's" and glow in the dark and sings "It's a small world after all - it's a small world after all - it's a small world after all, it's a small small world - it's a small world after all - it's a small world after all - it's a small world after all, it's a small small world - it's a small world after all - it's a small world after all - it's a small world after all, it's a small small world...etc. |
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27 Nov 01 - 08:55 PM (#598966) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: SINSULL What fan, Jeri? |
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27 Nov 01 - 09:07 PM (#598981) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: catspaw49 Sins, I think she's talking about the one that comes with the new songbook. Gordon Bok's long-awaited new songbook, One To Sing, One To Haul, just came through the door. And now you can have Gordon's own special rotating fan with the unique Bok touches. First it has the signature Gordon Bok Cookie Duster HEPA Filter lining all four sides of the inlet keeping dust to a minimum. Each fan is also equipped with an auto-sensing switch so it always Turns On Toward Morning!!! An yet another feature!!!! The DownEast Crapper Whapper!!! Yes folks, if you're in a position where you can expect the shit to hit the fan on a regular basis, then THIS is the Fan for you! I understand this feature has been tested extensively and is guaranteed to keep the crap off of you! The testing was done by having Kendall Morse tell stories into the fan because everyone knows that Kendall is full of shit. After wearing his voice out over the three day testing period, listeners said they never heard a word he said! To order online, go to Books and click on the Special Package, One To Sing, One To Haul, One To Blow. Order for gifts for your friends too because don't forget that with every hundred dollar order you get a free Amish-Australian Pitchfork Moustache Tuner! I think that's the one anyway and I won't be sayi...........uh.................oops...............sorry 'bout that Jeri. Just sorta' slipped out................. Spaw
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27 Nov 01 - 09:14 PM (#598986) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: SINSULL OOOOOOH! That fan. |
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27 Nov 01 - 09:18 PM (#598991) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: Robin2 Ok, Ok, my famly is supposed to have Irish Tinkers in our heritage, and Granny had quite scary premonitions sometimes in dreams, but I have only had one.
I dreamt I was riding with my son in his car. I had a map, and was trying to give him directions to where he was going. When he leaned over to look at the map, I looked up and realized a truck had stopped in front of us. I screamed for him to stop, but we couldn't, and at that point I woke up.
You guessed it. The next day I got a phone call from same son (he lives 700 miles away) Seems he had gotten lost on the way to an important interview, and while leaning over to get a map out of his glove compartment, rear ended a truck. Hard to explain things like that |
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27 Nov 01 - 09:25 PM (#598998) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: Jeri Spaw, I seem to remember I owe Cletus a Pet Shop Boys CD. I can probably throw the Root Boy Slim and the Sex Change Band ("Party 'till You Puke") album in there too. Want some Ed Ames? (Something tells me I should stop creeping the thread now...before I get flamed.) |
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27 Nov 01 - 10:14 PM (#599033) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: Murray MacLeod The problem with all these premonitions is the time lapse factor. (This is covered in the "Science of Chance"). Having a feeling of foreboding at 8.00 in the morning and disater striking at 9.20 just doesn't compute. I mean, how much time do you allow for your foreboding to come true? I agree that some coincidences are spooky, but that is still all they are, coincidences. When you consider the millions of "premonitions" (caused by indigestion, hangovers, PMS, or God knows what) which people must experience every day, it is hardly surprising that one or two of them will in fact come to pass. In fact it would be statistically surprising if none of them ever came true. There you go Spaw, your premonition has come true at last (I hope) Murray |
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27 Nov 01 - 11:22 PM (#599081) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: SINSULL Murray, I had a friend whose son was arrested for murder. She fell apart and had to be hospitalized. I was going through the Yellow Pages to find a florist near the hospital - I wanted the arrangement and card to be special. And I was very upset over her situation. Two florists were right nearby. I chose one, picked up the phone...but no dial tone. I said "Hello?". On the line was an elderly woman trying to call the same florist. Very weird coincidence???? Please note: both of my experiences described above happened at the same time as my "feeling". I can neither explain nor control these occurrences but I can tell you they are part of my daily life. And some I prefer not to discuss have been down right frightening. So...I go with my feelings. And yes - sometimes I am wrong. But not as often as I am right. |
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28 Nov 01 - 01:27 AM (#599170) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: Liz the Squeak Yes and sit scares me shitless...... Happened the Christmas my father was diagnosed as terminal, happened the day before John Lennon was shot, happens a lot when I dream. LTS |
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28 Nov 01 - 06:33 AM (#599230) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: Murray MacLeod I would not deny that certain people possess psychic powers, (although I am the least psychic person in the world). Sinsull would appear to be one of these people. Nor would I deny that it is possible for one person to be aware that something is wrong with another person, this phenomenon is well enough documented in the case of identical twins, for example. But I have a hard time accepting anybody's ability to have glimpses into the future, this is a whole different ballgame, and if in fact it were true, it would mean that our perception of the universe as seen from the western scientific viewpoint would have to be totally altered. Murray |
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28 Nov 01 - 10:22 AM (#599350) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: Wolfgang Murray, thanks for the book hint. I have a premonition that I'm going to like it. If any of you who believe that your premonitions quite often come true is empirically minded make the following sobering experiment: Write down your premonitions as exactly as possible before checking whether they are right or wrong. After some months count your hits and your false alarms. Counting data in written material is extremely helpful against selective forgetting. Once you have done that experiment I'm convinced you will never again claim that premonitions are more often true than not. Wolfgang |
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28 Nov 01 - 10:23 AM (#599352) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: Jeri Butterfly wings, Murray. I think perhaps it's our western perceptions that are whacked. I'm a very skeptical person, but I also like to think I'm open-minded. I think perhaps there are many clues we get that we're not conciously unaware of, that filter through our minds and come out as something that seems like magic on the surface. |
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28 Nov 01 - 11:35 AM (#599394) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: SharonA Murray: I don't think anyone here is talking about glimpsing into the future, just of being inexplicably aware on some level of something happening elsewhere in the present or the recent past. Let's go down the list of "premonitions": (from nutty) Max had a weird anxiety that all was not well at home, while Mudcat was crashing or had already crashed. (from me) I had a crushingly heavy sense of depression while the terrorist hijackings of September 11th were already in progress, perhaps at the time the planes took off or perhaps when the hijackers first killed a passenger aboard one of the airliners. But obviously the hijackers had boarded the plane before my sensation occurred. (from SINSULL) Mary had the thought that her son had an injury, called home and momentarily heard the commotion over the phone as her son came into the house, but he had already been struck in the face before he came in the door. (also from SINSULL) Mary felt that something was wrong while she was in Manhattan, and an explosion occurred as she stopped to call her friend, but the pressure that caused the explosion was building as she sensed that something was wrong. Maybe she smelled gas, or felt a change in air pressure. But SINSULL has already stated that both of these experiences of hers happened at the same time as her "feeling" about them, not after that feeling. (from Helen) Helen felt something really bad was happening a week before an earthquake hit the area where she was standing, but even us non-geologists know that there are changes that occur underground long before the earth's surface actually quakes. I'm sure Helen simply sensed these changes, just as some species of animals are known to do. (from Jeri) Jeri had a dream about her aunt, then heard immediately upon waking that her aunt had died. Not knowing the particular circumstances, I can only guess that one of two things happened: (a) As Jeri was close to waking up but still asleep, she could hear her mother's conversation and her mind processed the information in the form of a dream (this has happened to me as well as to friends of mine), or (b) perhaps she really did receive some sort of "visit" from her aunt's spirit (who knows? I don't dismiss the possibility). In either case, her aunt certainly died before the phone call was made, while Jeri was still asleep. (from Robin2) Robin dreamed that her (his?) son had a traffic accident, and her son called her the next day to tell her about an accident similar to the one in the dream. Again, I don't know the circumstances, so I don't know if the dream and the accident happened at the same time, but the accident definitely happened before the phone call! So, Murray, your description of "having a feeling of foreboding at 8:00 in the morning and disaster striking at 9:20" is not accurate for any of the anecdotes in this thread. Again, in the first 5 examples, including SINSULL's explosion and Helen's earthquake (and my ...wait, I can't say "my terrorists"), the disaster was already in progress when the "premonition" was felt. Maybe we should drop the prefix "pre" and just call them "monitions"! I suspect that if we hear more details about Jeri's and Robin's experiences, we'll find that the same is true (that the dreams did not precede the actual events). Now, this is not to say that I don't agree with you that some "premonitions" are false; I do agree! But I also want to point out that some people are more finely attuned to what's happening around them – more receptive to signals – than are others. Perhaps some feeling that someone passes off as "nothing" is actually a sensation of some event about which the person is never notified! I also have a hard time with the concept that anyone can see into the future accurately on some psychic level, rather than just make educated guesses or murky statements that can be interpreted to fit just about any circumstance. But I've yet to read any post here in this thread that suggests a claim to have predicted anything, or to have been aware of any event before it started happening. |
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28 Nov 01 - 11:50 AM (#599412) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: SharonA P.S. – I've often wondered: With all the radio and television signals and radiation and god-knows-what-else that pass through us constantly these days, are our bodies any more or less receptive to the sort of phenomena described here than they would have been a few centuries ago? In other words, is man's technology "boosting" or "scrambling" natural signals – or neither? |
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28 Nov 01 - 02:05 PM (#599510) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull A few years ago I used to buy & sell used cars, whilst at a car auction in Doncaster I had a strange feeling, I KNEW that something was wrong at home, but I did not know what it was, anyway when I got home I saw my first floor window was smashed, it turned out that my dog (a large german sheperd) had jumped through the window and run on to the road, my dog was fine but he had caused a 3 veichle pile up outside the house, at exactly the same time I got that strange feeling.I can offer no explanation for this at all, and I am as curious as everyone else as to what caused that weird feeling. |
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28 Nov 01 - 05:16 PM (#599655) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: SINSULL Murray, given the frequency of my "events", I was shocked when I had no inkling of disaster the day the World Trade Center came down. In fact, I had left early for jury duty, picked up coffee and a roll, and had a good book I was looking forward to, humming my way into the waiting room when I heard the news. Go figure. |
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28 Nov 01 - 06:46 PM (#599739) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: Dave Wynn On the third of march 1993 I noticed that a horse called lucky three was running in the 3.00 o'clock at the third meeting in the paper with odds of 33/1. I placed three pounds on it and sure enough....... Spot |
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28 Nov 01 - 06:47 PM (#599740) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: Dave Wynn .........it ran third.... Can't win em all...... Spot |
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28 Nov 01 - 06:52 PM (#599746) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: catspaw49 Spotty, with that number of 3's involved I'm surprised you didn't bet it to show to begin with. Spaw |
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28 Nov 01 - 07:03 PM (#599753) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: Dave Wynn Only 3 horses in the race!!! Spot |
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28 Nov 01 - 07:10 PM (#599761) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: Murray MacLeod For the benefit of UK punters, "show " in the US refers to a horse finishing third. "Place" on the other hand means finishing second. In Britain, if a horse is "placed" it means it finished second OR third. Or sometimes fourth in fields of sixteen or more runners. I hope that makes it all clear. Murray the Horse |
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28 Nov 01 - 07:19 PM (#599771) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: Dave Wynn I Didn't know that!!! Learn something everyday is my motto......Mind you we don't have that palaver in dog racing....Just "chase that hare" is all the information we were ever given!! Spot |
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28 Nov 01 - 07:39 PM (#599783) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: Murray MacLeod Sharon, that was a well thought out and lucid post, and I think I said earlier that I didn't dispute the existence of psychic powers, which some members here undoubtedly have. I mean, the evidence for the existence of these phenomena is overwhelming, and I see no scientific or philosophical reason to dismiss them out of hand. I suppose if you take the viewpoint that all disasters have their origins hours, days, weeks or months before their actual happening, then there is no discussion possible, as there is no actual forecasting of the future involved. What is being sensed is the emanation of contemporaneous phenomena. But I still have doubts. I mean, the hijackers could have been thwarted. Gas main explosions could be prevented. Any deterministic view of the universe is total anathema to me, and it seems that that is the way we have to view the universe if we accept the validity of "premonitions". Murray |
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28 Nov 01 - 08:25 PM (#599821) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: Robin2 SharonA, You make some very good points. Can we sometimes be so intuned to others that we can feel when things aren't right? My son and I have always been very close, and you are corect, he called the day AFTER his accident, due to the time of the accident. So I had the dream that night I would guess after the fact of the accident. Robin |
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28 Nov 01 - 08:29 PM (#599823) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: GUEST,SINSULL Have to agree with Murray on that. Ever notice that the most successful "fortune tellers" foretell in the vaguest terms possible? Some quatrains of Nostradamus could be interpreted to fit every disaster from WWII to Princess Diana breaking a finger nail, all with perfect accuracy. They are written in cryptic terms with multi-meaning symbols so that they can be seen to fit a situation after the fact.
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29 Nov 01 - 04:58 AM (#600047) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: Wolfgang As for selective memory, assume that 1 in 10,000 dreams is a dream about death and disaster and that people only remember a dream each second night. Then any randomly chosen person will have a dream about death and disaster very roughly every 60 years, that is about once per life. For the sake of simplicity assume that there are 200,000,000 US-Americans at an age in wich they can report dreams. Then 10,000 US-Americans must have dreamt about death and disaster in the night before September 11th by chance alone. You can bet they all tell their friends about the 'precognitive' dream for the rest of their lifes. They and all persons they tell about are unlikely to ever forget that dream. The many more dreams of the same character that did not come true are usually not told ("listen, I had a dream about death and nothing happened") and if yes, they are forgotten quickly. Would you have guessed that there are about 10,000 dreams about disasters each night in the USA even if any US-American only dreams such a dream once per life? I think you wouldn't have even been close to that figure. That was one of the reasons why the more than 100,000 case reports about premonitions and precognitive dreams that have been collected and are filed worldwide are not taken as a serious proof: It is close to impossible to make a good guess what the chance baseline is. Another reason is retrospective fitting. The more often the stories are told the closer the story tends to fit a premonition hypothesis. This is difficult to assess except by in depth studies of single cases. In many of those cases in which this could be done, blatant errors of recollection were abundant. A death was recollected as have occured at night to fit the time of the dream when in fact it was at daytime and so on. Vital facts tend to be forgotten if they distract from the supernatural hypothesis. Robin's story reminds me of an in depth case study in which a mother had dreamt of her son's car accident when in fact he had a car accident the same day. Closer scrutiny showed that her son had promised to call the day of his accident which he couldn't due to the accident. No wonder, she was worried and dreamt about an accident. Another reason is the unconscious use of weak cues (Jeri has mentioned that already). For example, a woman had dreamt about a disaster after it had happened but before she thought she had heard of it. In depth analysis could show that two men had been talking about that disaster the evening before her dream within earshot. She might have heard them (difficult to tell after the fact) without the message reaching her consciousness.
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29 Nov 01 - 11:54 AM (#600246) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: GUEST While touring Europe with a performing arts company (in a coach on the way to Hartlepool), I was overcome with a sudden inexplicable feeling of dread. I just knew something was wrong back home (Stateside.) When we arrived at Hartlepool, the police boarded the bus and asked for me. They escorted me to a waiting police car, where an officer informed me that my father had been in bad car crash and that my family wanted me to return home urgently. I remember being totally unsurprised at this news, almost as if I expected it. I was immediately transported to the airport and caught the first available flight out. Tragically, by the time I got home, it was too late. My father had passed away. I was 17 years old then, and that was the only experience of that sort I've ever had. |
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29 Nov 01 - 12:06 PM (#600258) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: SINSULL I awaken every morning to my radio and frequent "snoozes". One morning I heard a news report about a plane crashing in Florida but was surprised when nothing more was mentioned in later news casts. When I got to work, I asked a friend if there had been any survivors. He looked at me blankly - there had been no crash. But within the hour, reports came in of a crash in Florida with no survivors. Again, whatever happened - it was not a premonition but a recognition of something that was happening. Made me less than popular with some of the more nervous types at that job. |
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29 Nov 01 - 12:24 PM (#600280) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: SharonA Murray says: "I suppose if you take the viewpoint that all disasters have their origins hours, days, weeks or months before their actual happening, then there is no discussion possible, as there is no actual forecasting of the future involved. What is being sensed is the emanation of contemporaneous phenomena." There ya go, that's what I took up so much bandwidth trying to say! (I've gotta learn to be more concise!) True, disasters can be thwarted... and perhaps it's also at those times that "those feelings" are brushed off as not meaning anything. Murray and Wolfgang make a good point, though, that indigestion or random dreams might also be falsely interpreted as meaning something, as being connected with an event. Thanks, too, to Wolfgang for the clarification of terminology! |
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29 Nov 01 - 01:59 PM (#600362) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: GUEST While touring Europe with a performing arts company (in a coach on the way to Hartlepool), I was overcome with a sudden inexplicable feeling of dread. I just knew something was wrong back home (Stateside.) When we arrived at Hartlepool, the police boarded the bus and asked for me. They escorted me to a waiting police car, where an officer informed me that my father had been in bad car crash and that my family wanted me to return home urgently. I remember being totally unsurprised at this news, almost as if I expected it. I was immediately transported to the airport and caught the first available flight out. Tragically, by the time I got home, it was too late. My father had passed away. I was 17 years old then, and that was the only experience of that sort I've ever had. |
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30 Nov 01 - 09:30 AM (#600878) Subject: RE: BS: Ever get the feeling ....? From: Raptor True story!!
Sept 8 92 My birthday
Vancover
I came home to find that my girlfreind took all my savings and moved back to Ontario
I was sitting on my couch with my cat watching TV when the fire alarm went off! I put the cat in my Guitar case and strapped the guitar to my back to leave (8th floor).
When I got to a friends place I phoned home to tell my mum that my building was on fire and that Carol had left with all my money, When I heard a puppy barking in the background
I asked Mum where my dog was and she told me that they didn't want to tell me that My dog died as it was my birthday!
TRUE STORY
And no I haven't written a country song about it! Raptor |