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01 Dec 01 - 02:43 PM (#601755) Subject: Flame attack starting From: Big Mick I have noticed a fair amount of flame/troll responses. I believe them to be the work of one person. In the interest of not letting them achieve their goal of alienating us a few Mudcatters at a time, I hope you will ignore them. These posters will keep taking shots until one of us gets into a nasty war. I made the mistake of getting into it with one this morning before I corrected myself. Just a heads up. Let's not feed the animals, OK folks? All the best, Mick |
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01 Dec 01 - 02:49 PM (#601759) Subject: RE: BS: Flame attack starting From: John Routledge Well said Mick Cheers Geordie |
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01 Dec 01 - 03:19 PM (#601776) Subject: RE: BS: Flame attack starting From: Jeri Some of us usually fall for the trolls. Some who don't talk to them directly, still manage to validate them by referring to them. Maybe the Amish have a good idea with "shunning" - just pretend they don't exist. The internet is possibly the only "place" where you can ignore them, and they really will go away. Even if the trolls keep talking to themselves, the discussions will continue on-topic and not get subverted. |
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01 Dec 01 - 03:28 PM (#601779) Subject: Editing & Flames From: Joe Offer Freedom of speech goes out the window around here when there's a thread that's a threat or a personal attack on an individual. The thread Mick refers to is gone, and I didn't hesitate a second before I deleted it. There are other threads that are harder to decide about, and I usually leave those alone and let them go as they may. Take this thread right here, for example, which I'm sure Mick started with good intent. I cringe when I see threads like this, because I know it's likely to turn out to be a flame thread (and starting a thread like this calls attention to flamers and gives them the attention they seek). Same with the "Is Mudcat a Friendly Site?" thread, although it also was probably started with completely innocent intentions. The one about whether the hijackers were gay was another one, although that kind of thread is protected by "freedom of speech" up to the point where it starts spawning copycat threads. If there are flames here at Mudcat, the best response is not to acknowledge them in any way. It it's something that's really bad (personal attacks and threats are the only ones I can think of now), send a personal message to both Pene and me, and one of us will take a look at it and make a decision. Please do not start threads to call attention to flame/troll threads - that only serves to feed the flamers. Please note that Pene and I do not ordinarily respond to requests for editing the content of a thread or message unless it constitutes a threat or personal attack - and the JoeClones do not have authority to edit anything other than technical problems (or spelling or dates or factual mistakes). If it's a message that causes technical problems like locking up a thread, post a message in the Help Forum. Generally, if it's just a bad link or another non-critical technical error, it's best just to leave it alone. The clones and Pene and I do a pretty thorough job of monitoring the Forum, and we handle most problems without your telling us about them. If you make note of it in the Help Forum and it's not something critical, it takes us a bit of time to follow your directions to the error and fix it (if it hasn't been fixed by somebody else already). If you make a mistake in a message and want it to be corrected, just post the message again, with corrections. We'll delete the incorrect message when we see it. If we don't, it's not the end of the world. -Joe Offer- |
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01 Dec 01 - 03:33 PM (#601782) Subject: RE: BS: Flame attack starting From: catspaw49 Amish? Jeri, did you say Amish? GREAT!! Yes they do shun, but even more so, they lend their prestigious name which echoes of craftsmanship, to the Amish-Australian Pitchfork Moustache Tuner. Friends, if you don't have one, you need one! What a wonderful device! Inspired by Gordon Bok, the AAPMT is the last thing in moustache tuning. It is available as you can see on this thread from Gordon Bok who is also promoting his new signature Fan with the Cookie Duster HEPA filter. Also I think he has a new songbook, but it's pretty dull and still needs some work because otherwise it's just a bunch of songs. And of course you can buy the AAPMT direct and get the above model with the special "Nose pick & Toe Jam Attachment" for only $49.99 (US) plus $117.27 (US)shipping and handling, from Fly-By-Nite Industries where we offer you the money back guarantee. Return any unused products to us and we'll return any unused portions of your money. Spaw |
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01 Dec 01 - 03:39 PM (#601785) Subject: RE: BS: Flame attack starting From: Big Mick I am going to disagree with you a bit, Joe. If I wasn't the original poster with the "ignore" message, I was certainly one of the earliest. What I have found is that we are so big now that someone will take the bait. I also have found that one thing that bothers a flamer/troller is when you turn the tables on them. They hate it. So once in a while I nail them. And starting a separate thread to warn others that this is just more of the same is just a storm warning. Nothing more. I believe it actually helps as long as you don't get into the trading barbs part of it. Now stop it, Joe. You know that we have an agreement withing the inner clique not to argue publicly. Next thing you know the common Mudcatters will think they are the same as us, or something. he says with tongue planted firmly in cheek. Mick |
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01 Dec 01 - 04:14 PM (#601802) Subject: RE: BS: Flame attack starting From: Joe Offer What do you want, Mick, nuances?
-Joe Offer- |
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01 Dec 01 - 04:38 PM (#601811) Subject: RE: BS: Flame attack starting From: SINSULL Wish you guys would remind me of that BEFORE I open my mouth. Joining Bart Simpson at the blackboard...I will not respond to flamers...I will not respond to flamers...I will not respond to flamers...I will not |
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01 Dec 01 - 04:49 PM (#601815) Subject: RE: BS: Flame attack starting From: gnu Yeah, I got sucked in on the "I need a hug" thread. When I actually, finally, sympathized with the guy, he posted that I was a wanker. Took all the energy I had not to call him down outright. I think I was swayed by all the "touchy feely" posts with hugs and kisses for the asshole. Mob rule ? Sob rule ? |
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01 Dec 01 - 04:53 PM (#601817) Subject: RE: BS: Flame attack starting From: Big Mick About the best you will get out of me, Joe, is that I agree that most of the time it is best to ignore. And I do. But don't deny me a little fun once in a while. I like seeing the arrogant patoots squirm a bit from time to time. Specially when they are picking on nice folks. Mick |
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01 Dec 01 - 05:18 PM (#601825) Subject: RE: BS: Flame attack starting From: GUEST,McFart of knowitall Big Mick, I got a kick outta Joe Offer's statement, "Most of the time, Big Mick is not an asshole..." Joe's implication being that some of the time, like today, you are an asshole. That's Joe's implication, so don't blame me for it. BTW, my patoots ain't squirmin'. They're just getting a bit of giggle out of seeing you having a bait banquet. |
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01 Dec 01 - 05:45 PM (#601835) Subject: RE: BS: Flame attack starting From: Susanne (skw) Seems to me we're all assholes some of the time! Still, Sinsull and everybody else, it might be worth putting that warning on your marquee screensaver and set it to one minute while browsing the Mudcat! Silence is indeed the best strategy - especially if the flame isn't aimed at yourself. If it is, and you feel you have to respond, try posting something that doesn't acknowledge the troll at all, to let it know you have noticed and won't be drawn. It may try again, but probably not a third time. Has worked for me in the past, though on the whole - like everybody else - trolls tend to ignore me ... :-) |
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01 Dec 01 - 05:49 PM (#601836) Subject: RE: BS: Flame attack starting From: Joe Offer Well, I kinda think that if you are going to do anything significant in this life, you're going to end up being an asshole at times. That's part of the risk you take when you speak out. -Joe Offer- |
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01 Dec 01 - 05:55 PM (#601838) Subject: RE: BS: Flame attack starting From: McGrath of Harlow Four ways of not getting burnt:
Keep out of any non-music thread started by a GUEST.
Anything that seems like a flame directed at yourself, ignore.
If it's directed at someone else and you feel you have to say something, send a personal message to the target.
Never assume that any GUEST is the same person two times running. This means it's absolutely pointless getting in a dispute with one. Makes shadow boxing feel like a contact sport. |
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01 Dec 01 - 09:22 PM (#601940) Subject: RE: BS: Flame attack starting From: Rick Fielding Hogwarts! The Mudcat community has evolved tremendously since Flamers first scared and even 'hurt' some folks here. Things that were taken really seriously at one point are now joked about openly. Newcomers may take a few weeks to notice it, but the vast majority click in pretty fast. The whole "qlique" thing at one time was debated and defended with furrowed brow. Now it's used with tongue in cheek irony constantly. Remember the old "moral authority" thing? Well, Joe, Mick, kat, WYSIWYG, Jon or whoever else occasionally feels the need to be a 'leader' have all gotten their brains beat out a few times....and guess what? They're all still here enjoyin' themselves (AND some of them have to WORK as well!). Max gets off scot-free most of the time, and thank goodness for that, or we'd ALL be up shit creek! And how 'bout ol' Garg? Hell, even when he's on my tail (like lately) or asking Spaw "aren't you dead yet"? Or going after kat or Max....does anyone REALLY take him seriously? I doubt it. Three years ago a lot of people did. So if you can't completely ignore a nasty, then at least learn to laugh at them. That'll continue to keep their numbers really small....and remember, "as long as they don't move next door, we're ALL laughin'" Rick |
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02 Dec 01 - 01:36 AM (#602026) Subject: RE: BS: Flame attack starting From: Steve in Idaho I like screwing up occasionally - hell sometimes I like screwing up a lot - and I have improved a bit. If I don't screw up I'm not doing anything - I Love this place - Dang Mick - who'd you take a shot at?? Sorry I missed that one - Steve |
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02 Dec 01 - 01:52 AM (#602029) Subject: RE: BS: Flame attack starting From: katlaughing Well said, Rickdarlin'! All the wind's been blown outta his sails! The rest are rank amateurs. |
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02 Dec 01 - 04:24 AM (#602048) Subject: RE: BS: Flame attack starting From: Mr Red whatever happened to the damning with faint praise gambit? I agree about silence but if you have to bite go for the least expected part of the guy's ego. the bit where the brain cell resides. |
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02 Dec 01 - 05:42 AM (#602065) Subject: RE: BS: Flame attack starting From: leprechaun Remember the Ogden Nash poem about swozzlers and...what were those other folks besides swozzlers? |
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02 Dec 01 - 01:12 PM (#602180) Subject: RE: BS: Flame attack starting From: Mr Red no but I am all eyes (compuspeak translation) The last song I put together was an Ogden Nash poem married to a bastardised version Bold Riley (et al) Lyrics? BR>The rain it raineth on the just, and also on the unjust fella. But most it raineth on the just, 'cos unjust just stole the just's umbrella. sufficient to get the laugh and short enough to find the door before they realise. I quite like the effect they usually ask me to sing a full length one as well! swozzler poem anyone? I feel a toon coming on. |