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05 Jan 02 - 01:57 PM (#621555) Subject: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Big Mick Being born in 1951 meant growing up in the 60's. While my tastes these days runs much more to trad forms of folk and instrumental music, I must confess to still loving some of these groups. My favorite band ever, when I was young, was Buffalo Springfield. Sure I loved The Byrds and others, but I just flat don't think that anyone ever even came close to what Dewey Martin, Richie Furay, Stephen Stills, Neil Young and the rest did. I have a CD player in the car which carries 10 CD's at a time. Despite the majority of the CD's being names like Bok, Muir, Trickett, Fielding, Paton, Profitt (thaks karenk), Marum, Stewart, Bothy (LOL), Folk Legacy, etc (you get the drift), the first slot always has "Retrospective" by Buffalo Springfield. Songs like For What It's Worth, Kind Woman, Rock and Roll Woman, Broken Arrow and Learning To Fly are on it. Every so often I just turn it on, open the windows and sing like I was 17 again. I occurs to me that my interest in folk music was enhanced and encouraged by listening to these folks and wanting to know where their music came from. And to this day I still love the dual leads that Stills and Young did on those albums. Broke my heart when they split up, but that is what happens when you have too many truly talented folks in one group. All one has to do is look at the groups that were spawned by the folks in this band to know how truly great they were. And one does wonder which of these songs will stand the test of time. Who are your favorites from this era. |
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05 Jan 02 - 02:01 PM (#621557) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Big Mick Damn. Tried to add Mr. Soul to that list of songs but it was gone already. Great song. |
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05 Jan 02 - 02:36 PM (#621576) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Little Hawk My favourite folk rock tunes are mostly by Dylan...but he insisted he was NOT playing "folk rock" at the time. He has never admitted to playing folk rock. Typical. I also like "The Weight" and some others by Robbie Robertson and a lot of the Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young material...which is definitely folk rock. Buffalo Springfield and the Byrds were great too, and Jefferson Airplane had a couple of neat tunes here and there. My favourite folk rock tunes of all time? "Jokerman" by Dylan...and "Just Like A Woman" by Dylan...and "Visions of Johanna" by Dylan. - LH |
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05 Jan 02 - 02:49 PM (#621580) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Jeri I liked Buffalo Springield, too, but until CSN&Y, the only song I knew by them was "For What It's Worth." Also liked America, Little Feat, Grateful Dead, and probably more I can't think of right now. I found Steeleye Span (I misheard the name and wrote it down as "Steel Ice Band") in the 70's, and along with Fairport, they got more play on my turntable than anyone else. Recently discovered (by me) band from the 70's: Five Hand Reel. The albums never were re-issued, and they're rare as hens' teeth. Max played one song from them - Carrickfergus - on a radio show. |
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05 Jan 02 - 02:51 PM (#621582) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Allan C. I am sure that Simon and Garfunkel were considered as folk rock - especially because of the instrumentation used in "Sounds of Silence". They most certainly had an effect upon my musical upbringing. I quite nearly wore the grooves off every LP of theirs I had. The lyrics of many of their early songs have become part of my vocabulary (largely a tribute to Paul Simon, I know).
"...Like a rat in a maze, the path before me lies..." I'm sure I could go on.
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05 Jan 02 - 03:03 PM (#621590) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Jack the Sailor If the band was folk roch then its the band for me. THe Weight, Acadian Driftwood All those other great songs. Also I was a big Joni Mitchel fan. But she would have been more Folk Jazz |
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05 Jan 02 - 03:06 PM (#621591) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Hilary I'm a fan rock music as much as a folk music, & two current (uk) bands I think play excellent music that is both folk & rock are The FOS Brothers & Tickled Pink. Damn, I've lent somebody my FOS bros cd. H |
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05 Jan 02 - 03:10 PM (#621592) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Little Hawk Lord, yes! How did I forget Simon & Garfunkel? That was great folk rock for sure, and I also played those albums again and again. Paul Simon even did a parody of Dylan called "A Simple Desultory Phillipic (Or How I Was Robert McNamara'd Into Submission)! It was derivative (obviously), but kind of neat. When I heard it, I thought of writing a letter to Paul Simon saying... "You know, Paul, I find most of your material a bit, well, wimpy...a bit too "New York angst" and overly delicate and affected...but this new tune 'A Simple Desultory Phillipic (etc...)' goes off in a totally bold new direction...savage in its intensity, biting in its lyrical punch, uncompromising in its delivery, startling in its imagery! In short, a masterpiece! Paul, I think if you just would do more material along these lines, you will be destined for greatness. I await your new album with the highest hopes that you will enlarge on this first effort in what promises to be a revolutionary musical style without peer! Your faithful fan, Little Hawk :-) (Paul Simon's very good, but he ain't no Bob Dylan. Wonder what he would have said?) - LH |
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05 Jan 02 - 03:12 PM (#621594) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Maxine Hey, Crosby Still and Nash ' Teach your children well' - I love that song. I also have to confess a love for Rod Stewart....I was brought up on Rodders. Every Sunday morning mum and dad would play the Best of Rod Stewart while they did the house work. Not very folky I know, but he does do a great version of Blooming Heather (Purple Heather) It's well worth a listen and his voice is wonderful (of course, I could be biased!) |
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05 Jan 02 - 03:25 PM (#621603) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: catspaw49 Gram Parsons. I don't know what the hell form of rock, folk, country, or whatever....but the guy had something real special. I'd also go with Hawk in saying that a lot of Dylan's stuff certainly fits the category and then add in damn near everything that The Band ever did....tremendous group even with that lowlife Robertson. CSNY has to be up there too. But I really have to agree with Allan in a big way. S&G were wonderful, but the lyrics of Paul Simon are simply spectacular. As a "wordsmith"....not a poet, songwriter or whatever, but simply as a wordsmith, I don't think he has an equal. Interestingly enough though, he writes the words to rhythms and patterns, and as much to lines that just pass through his head as any particular imagery or symbolism. They all have a certain flow, a specific feel. And how many people can get by using "crapped out" in a slow ballad? Sometimes they force your mouth to work and that's part of the fun......"He was a mean individual stranded in a limousine." And for all of that lack of emphasis on imagery which he professes, it's hard not to think that you could possibly get any clearer picture from "The Mississippi Delta is shining like a National guitar." Spaw |
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05 Jan 02 - 03:30 PM (#621605) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: John Hardly funny... for some reason I always draw a line (how very arbitrary of me) in the history of music, at the dissolution of Buffalo Springfield because this is when "folk rock" to me took on a different nature------a juggernaut that took the music "industry" by storm. The nature of "folk" influence in music changed from truly folk, to singer/songwriter. I see a big difference between The Byrds (god, how I loved them), BS, S&G,et al. ///// and the James Taylor, re-made-Carole King, Paul Simon sans Garfunkle, and then the CSN&Y,Eagles, Poco, Firefall, music that followed. I even see CSN as three singer/songwriters accompanying each other, more than being the "supergroup" they were billed as (probably the keeping of personal identity has much to do with this perception). Another change made in this era was a sort of refinement that included the allowance of experimentation, and the inclusion of more principles of music arrived at through a "jazz" mentality----hell, look at the left hand turn that happened in bluegrass at the same time (little coincidence that Clarence White would be found in the thick of the era). I mean, "newgrass" had its start at this point in time too. Anyway, if it isn't Buffalo Springfield for me, then it's CCR (don't ask me why, but they always seemed as connected to "folk" as to rock) perceptions are weird, aren't they? |
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05 Jan 02 - 03:38 PM (#621611) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Lonesome EJ Yeah, Mick, the Springfield were great. I try to play Expecting to Fly once in a while, but the beat changes play havoc with me. What was the song that went "when the dream came I held my breath with my eyes closed"? I was a big Byrds fan '63-67, and loved Turn,Turn,Turn, Fifth Dimension and their other albums of that era. I started to lose interest about the time Crosby left and they recorded The Notorious Byrds Brothers. In retrospect, I've re-discovered many recordings from this era that I missed at the time, including the great Sweetheart of the Rodeo. Another favorite was The Lovin' Spoonful. I also liked a couple of the Turtles' Dylan covers and even some of the Mamas and Papas hit material. Jefferson Airplane and the Grateful Dead had roots in Folk, though they followed other roads. Fairport Convention was a great Folk rock band, and were my intro to a lot of British Traditional music. Funny thing about "folk-rock" though. In 65 and 66 when it was trendy, everyone, including the Beatles, was doing it. Rubber Soul and Revolver were essentially Folk rock albums, and groups from Jethro Tull to Led Zeppelin were incorporating the sound. |
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05 Jan 02 - 03:52 PM (#621615) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: John Hardly spaw, I can remember sitting around listening to records in my trailer during college (yeah, I was traier trash back then---some things never change) and the words "...still, you don't expect to be bright and bon vivant so far away from home..." came over the speaker. My friend looked over at me and said, "who else writes like that?" --implied....nobody. He's certainly one of the best ever.
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05 Jan 02 - 04:00 PM (#621620) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Lonesome EJ Just remembered the title of the Springfield song I quoted previously....On My Way Home. |
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05 Jan 02 - 04:17 PM (#621629) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: GUEST,mkebenn@work Yea, Mick.."She said 'you're stange, but don't change', and I blessed her" And for a little British flavor, Chad and Jeremy and Peter and Gordon. Mike |
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05 Jan 02 - 04:28 PM (#621634) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Big Mick You just beat me to it, Leej. Yeah, great song. And I loved Lovin' Spoonful, as well. I still love singing "Nashville Cats" to this day. John Hardly and I met last summer, and I get to like the guy more as we go. John, you captured my next thought precisely, and it is an important one. And that is how Folk Rock changed, after Springfield. And it started down so many paths that were fascinating. I think your observation is spot on. Simon and Garfunkel...........wow. Yeah, I remember hearing Sounds of Silence the first time. Al Lesert and I used to find bathrooms, locker rooms, whereever we could get the "shower" effect and sing this song a cappella. Paul Simon has been a love/hate thing for me for his whole career. Every time he gets out there on the edge, I love him. But when he falls into that "gotta make a hit" trap (Kodachrome), I just hate him. The Byrds.........hmmmm. Of all the millions of versions of "Hey Joe" I have heard, I probably like theirs and Jimi's as well as any.........LOL. The Band.........never was anyone any better than they were. I would have to say I liked them as well as anyone, but it was Springfield that got me going. Bob Dylan....even though I never miss a concert when he is in the area, even though I agree that he may well have written some of the greatest songs ever, even though he had a tremendous impact on a generation, in spite of all that, I think he is over rated. He certainly ranks as one of the best. But is near-deity status, IMHO, is undeserved. Great? Yep. The greatest? Nope. Mick |
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05 Jan 02 - 04:42 PM (#621637) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: GUEST,Rana Must agree with Jeri about 5 Hand Reel - fortunate to have their 3 lps.
Obviously Fairport (upto 9) and Steel Eye (upto Below the Salt or the one after). Managed to see Steel Eye at B'Ham Town Hall in 1970 or so.
Original Albion Band was great - saw them at Reading in '73 I believe. And Sandy Denny at Reading U. when Gerry Conway and Trevor Lucas came on at the encore - basically Fotheringay after they disbanded!
Of the American stuff that would have approached "folk-rock" I suppose, the only group I really followed was It's a Beautiful Day" Must admit apart from the folk I concentrated on numerous European (particuarly German) rock - the likes of Faust, Can and Amon Duul II - must admit also I still listen to this stuff much to the displeasure of my other half. Cheers Rana
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05 Jan 02 - 04:50 PM (#621640) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: bernil I'm not at all good at classifying music but I love to discuss it! I had a period some years ago when I checked out the history of the Byrds members through the years. I've always loved the Byrds! Just now listening to Lover of the Bayou, which is a bit different from the rest but very acrid (? Never sure if I use the right word...) You ain't going nowhere is my favourite. It was too long ago I listened to this tape!!! From a friend who is most of all a country-fan I borrowed a CD with the Desert Rose Band and recorded. (Chris Hillman played with them) I just love Love reunited, One step forward and From a distance. Soooo… does somebody know if that is Folk rock? Or is it Country rock? Or is that the same thing??? I don't at all like (common) country as much as folk music but I'm not always sure where country ends and folk (rock) starts... Still I usually hear a big difference. I checked out Gram Parsons homepage now as he was mentioned here and it says "the worlds first and most outrageous Country Rock musician." But he's also mentioned here where folk rock is discussed. Where are the bounds (?) between these different music styles? It's so interesting to discuss. And I guess I have some answers in my Rock Dictionary, which I read a lot when I was "researching". It's very nice to look in it again and it doesn't matter that it's from 1990 as all great stars were dead already then... ;-) Well, at least many of them... My dictionary says that Gram Parsons band from 65 "The International Submarine Band" was the first real Country Rock group but before that he played in the folk music inspired group The Shilos. Berit |
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05 Jan 02 - 04:53 PM (#621646) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: GUEST,jaze Buffalo Springfield were great. My favorite song of theirs was "Kind Woman" God, I still love that song. Gram Parsons had an emormous effect(especially on Emmylou)despite the fact he never reached the pinnacle. There was a lot a great music that came out of the mellow marriage of folk and rock. |
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05 Jan 02 - 05:11 PM (#621653) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: bernil Mick, the thought of Lovin Spoonfuls "Nashwille cats" causes a big smile in my face! :-) I was born 1955 and already from 1966 I was absolutely crazy about pop music. I cried if I missed a pop program on the radio (very seldom) and my father went crazy as he wanted to listen to other programs! Oh, this thread brings back a lot of memories, some sweet, some less sweet...!! ;-) Berit |
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05 Jan 02 - 05:47 PM (#621665) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Trinidad It's gotta be The Fox or Bedlam Boys by Steeleyespan - they rock like no other band! |
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05 Jan 02 - 06:17 PM (#621682) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: AliUK well...this is where we ought to get into a debate about what constitutes "folk rock" most of the bands mentioned above were straight rock bands, even the Byrds, who really didn't do any rockefied folk music but rockefied acoustic music. Dylan was a folk singer/songwriter who then went rock. Grateful dead were a psychedelic country band. But if you're talking FOLK rock then Steeleye, Fairport, Albion Band are the ones for me. Though I love all the artists mentioned above, I would never call them folk rock.
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05 Jan 02 - 06:24 PM (#621687) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: catspaw49 Aw damn....just fuck ya' Ali.....and here we were goin' on and havin' so much fun and then you gotta' pipe up with that shit........Y'all jus' go off and diddle your fiddle or sumpin' iffen ya' can't play nice......... Spaw |
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05 Jan 02 - 06:50 PM (#621690) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Herga Kitty Serendipity or what - there was a post to umf yesterday inviting votes on, What is the UK's favourite all-time folk-rock album? Votes to be sent to folkrock@mandolinking.org.uk. For me it's Fairport's Liege and Lief (closely followed by Steeleye's Pleased to see the King), but thanks Big Mick for reminding me that I had Buffalo Springfield too (I think I still have, but not in very playable condition). Kitty |
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05 Jan 02 - 07:05 PM (#621694) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Jerry Rasmussen So, who remembers Cat Mother and the All Night Newsboys, with Jay Unger on fiddle?.. Albion Doowah is a favorite album of mine, as is the Kaleidescope album titled Kaleidescope... never re-issued, either one, as far as I know... maybe I'll try eBay. I have both of the records, and they still sound fresh. And of course, I loved The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter by the Incredible Stringband... kinda precious rock, rather than folk rock, but it still sounds good to me. Their earlier album when they were a tree was close to a straight folk album. But then, they never really "rocked." I'd put the Holy Modal Rounders in there too... I remember Pete Stamfell when he was doing psychedelic Uncle Dave Macon as a solo. Jerry |
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05 Jan 02 - 07:32 PM (#621707) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Lonesome EJ Christ, don't get Fielding started on the Holy Modal Rounders! |
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05 Jan 02 - 07:40 PM (#621714) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: GUEST I can't stand Buffalo Springfield. "For What It's Worth" is such a trite song. |
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05 Jan 02 - 08:00 PM (#621736) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Bat Goddess Really early Stone Poneys ("Orion Look Down"). We Five. And the Zombies did an incredible and powerful anti-war song called "The Butcher's Tale" about WWI. Heard a good interview with Eric Burden of The Animals a couple nights ago on NPR -- one of his early influences was Johnny Handle who was just one of the singers around town whom he used to hang out with. The Animals recorded more trad-based stuff than "House of the Rising Sun." Linn |
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05 Jan 02 - 08:12 PM (#621751) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Jon Freeman I'm not sure where the boundaries of folk/celtic rock lies and I'm going a lot later than Mick but my pick would have to be Moving Hearts. A great band on the UK circuit that I got to here live in the late 80s was You Slosh but few others seem to remember them. Jon |
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05 Jan 02 - 08:19 PM (#621753) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: AliUK sorry spaw...but someone had to do it. Moving Hearts were great when Christy Moore were with them, but they got a bit moorish after he left ( bit like when Shane left the Pogues) Speaking of the erudite Mr MacGowan, my vote would be with The POgues as a shit hot folk-punk band. Steeleye and Fairport are still up there for me along with Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young and the greatest of them all for all you nodders out there, The Grateful Dead, great music to make love to...it just goes on for ever...or is that another thread...shit spaw done got me all darned confused and confubulated there. |
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05 Jan 02 - 10:25 PM (#621871) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: 53 colours by donavan, catch the wind by donavan, positively 4th street by dylan, those are some of my favorites. BOB |
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05 Jan 02 - 10:35 PM (#621878) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Jerry Rasmussen So, Rick: What's all this about the Holy Modal Rounders? Pete Stampfel is an old Wisconsin boy who I heard many times in Greenwich Village in the early 60's at memorable joints like the Cafe Wha? and the Gaslight Cafe. AN old friend I used to play with, Luke Faust, joined the Rounders for a brief time, when they became the Bottle Caps. The first couple of albums of Timbuk Three have that same wacky feel to them as the Rounders, although not nearly as drugged out. Love 'em or hate 'em, you had to love "I Want To Be A Bird." Jerry |
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05 Jan 02 - 10:40 PM (#621883) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: GUEST,DonMeixner The Lovin' Spoonful was my odds on favorite 60's band. But I like Buffalo Springfield a lot as well. But I will never forget the day I heard Connie Chung on NBC interview Beverly Sills, Bill Cosby and Johnny Cash. She had them discuss their favorites in music at the time and then Johnny lead them all in a chorus of "BOy Named Sue." Cosby, Sills Cash, and Chung have been my favorite quartet ever since. Don |
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05 Jan 02 - 10:42 PM (#621885) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: catspaw49 Here ya' go Jerry..... And if you do some searching Jerry, there are quite a few discussions about HMR songs too. Spaw |
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05 Jan 02 - 10:42 PM (#621886) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: GUEST Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
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05 Jan 02 - 11:14 PM (#621923) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Big Mick First off, let me be the only one who mentions this, OK folks? HEY GUEST..........have you noticed that no one gives a fuck what you think? Great, huh? OK folks, thanks, now let's get back to the discussion. AliUK..............I love ya.........but you are full of shite.........Buffalo Springfield is folk rock. Now Steeleye, that was a band. Jayzus, Rasmussen, you are really showing your age. Cat Mother?????????? I am going to be searching Ebay for that as well as The Incredible Stringband. But I think the Stringband is available on CD. Don............You know I think the world of you, but..................HAVE YOU NO FECKIN' SHAME??????? COSBY, SILLS, CASH AND CHUNG????????????? You barstard, why didn't you do a sinus warning before you posted that shite???? I have green tea coming out of every orifice in my body, you git!!!!!!! I am still laughing my arse off. Mick |
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05 Jan 02 - 11:18 PM (#621927) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: GUEST Big Mick - have you ever realized that I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks? Nope youre too much of a self obsessed idiot to know that arent you? Great huh? And the joke that causes tea to pour out your nose wasnt even slightly amusing. |
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05 Jan 02 - 11:21 PM (#621940) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Big Mick This gets funnier by the minute.........you are so easy to get a rise out of. And that's what you want from others. Check this out, idiot. If you didn't care, you wouldn't have responded. You are so easy. I love it. Go ahead, rant away. No one cares. I say it again. YOu are so easy. Now, back to the discussion. Mick |
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05 Jan 02 - 11:25 PM (#621945) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: GUEST Not really Big Mick because it is YOU who is responding to a nameless faceless poster. You just cant resist and you pawn it off as ME who cant. Thats the funniest part of all - a regular catter who should know better than to taunt and draw it out, yet here you are doing it. HAR HAR HAR You crack me up!!!!!!!!! You just dont realize how much of a joke you are! Ooooooooooo Big Mick is gonna show all the other catters that he can put a guest in their place - yeah right! |
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05 Jan 02 - 11:27 PM (#621947) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Jeri Mick, just walk past the psycho raving in the corner. Anybody mention the Eagles yet? |
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05 Jan 02 - 11:28 PM (#621948) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: DonMeixner "McKendree Spring" anyone? And I do remember Cat Mother and the Allnight Newsboys, both great New York State Bands. Don Sorry Mick, heh heh heh! No I'm not. |
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05 Jan 02 - 11:28 PM (#621949) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Big Mick HOHUM. Folks, this pathetic poster thinks that s/he is going to disrupt this thread. Please go on with our discussion, and ignore this slug. Thanks. |
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05 Jan 02 - 11:32 PM (#621953) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: GUEST I dont just think I am - I KNOW I am. You've posted 3 times to me so far HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
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05 Jan 02 - 11:33 PM (#621958) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Big Mick The Eagles.........hmmmmmm. Country Rock or Folk Rock? Probably a little of both. Another one that when they were on they were great, but one could always tell when they were pushin'. Mick |
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05 Jan 02 - 11:39 PM (#621967) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: GUEST,Rana Knew I forgot to mention someone in the UK Folk Rock league - the underrated(?) Mr. Fox, though did they actually have the "rock" part? Rana |
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05 Jan 02 - 11:43 PM (#621969) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: GUEST GUEST wins the fight with Big Mick WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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05 Jan 02 - 11:46 PM (#621972) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Jeri Mick, the Eagles were as folky as any of them. Half of the other bands named are probably only called "folk-rock" retrospectively. Pop was a different animal back then. |
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05 Jan 02 - 11:48 PM (#621973) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Big Mick Don, I haven't heard of McKendree Spring. Who are the players? Mick |
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05 Jan 02 - 11:50 PM (#621977) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Big Mick Yeah, I know Jeri. I have most of their stuff and the video from the reunion tour. I like them. They just had so many influences. I still think Seven Bridges Road is on of the great tracks ever. I used to love to listen to that on my KLH stereo. What voices, eh? |
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05 Jan 02 - 11:50 PM (#621978) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: GUEST Mick I thought you knew all!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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05 Jan 02 - 11:53 PM (#621980) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Jeri I saw them on the "Hell Freezes Over" tour. Figured they would have deteriorated somewhat, but they couldn't have been better. I liked, and still like, Jackson Browne. (Somebody already mentioned him.) |
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05 Jan 02 - 11:54 PM (#621981) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Jerry Rasmussen Hey Big Mick: If I may interrupt this non-conversation.. Me and my big mouth... now you'll be bidding against me of Cat Mother and the All Night News Boys. I don't believe that they've ever been re-issued on CD, but both of their albums are available, used. If you don't bid against me on Street Songs, I'll make you a cassette of Albion DooWah, which I have. I also have the Kaleidescope album that has an eight minute version of the Cuckoo on electric banjo. Maybe I'll put it all together and cut a CD on my computer. Yeah, I came to New York in 1960, and was there when Dylan came, and you could listen to Mississippi John Hurt all night at the Gaslight Cafe, nursing a cup of coffee, and saw everything disintegrate into 45 minute sets with a cover charge I could never afford. Money does it, every time. And thanks, Spaw! The Holy Modal Rounders thread is great fun... brings back a lot of good memories. I didn't check but I think that their first two albums are out on CD.. Euphoria.. Hey, and what about The Youngbloods? You're definitely talking folk-rock there... they also did Euphoria.. Jerry |
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05 Jan 02 - 11:55 PM (#621982) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Big Mick I wonder if the Cat Mother stuff is on CD somewhere? I think I will go and check it out. Mick |
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05 Jan 02 - 11:57 PM (#621984) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: marty D Sorry I wasn't around to see the beginning of this. Buffalo Springfield surely had SOMETHING! There was almost an 'out of tune' quality about them, and I loved it. I have to say I don't think 'For What It's Worth' is much of a song, but it still haunts me. Same with 'Nowadays Clancy can't Even Sing', and Furay's voice on 'Kind Woman'. I've gone from vinyl to cassette to CD with their 'Greatest Hits'. Bet I'm not the only one. marty |
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06 Jan 02 - 12:03 AM (#621995) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Big Mick Jerry, you have a deal! I saw it there, but your deal is too good to turn down. But the next one, I go after. I will PM you my address. I would have loved to have been in the Village in those days. By the time I got there, it was as you described. Didn't stay long. The Youngbloods, yeah. What was the female singers name? I am going to feel real stupid when you tell me. Marty, I have done the same thing on "Retrospective". Wore out one LP, got another, went to tape, now I have it on CD. Bluebird, and Rock and Roll Woman are great cuts. Just a damn fine band. Mick |
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06 Jan 02 - 12:05 AM (#621997) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: GUEST Buffalo Springfield suck |
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06 Jan 02 - 12:19 AM (#622001) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Janie Wow! What a wonderful walk down Memory Lane. Thanks for starting this thread, Mick, and thank you everyone for sharing and jogging my brain cells. It would be really hard for me to pick a favorite but probably the Byrd's & Buffalo Springfield would be in the top 5 of my favorite folk rock groups from those days. My favorite song would be which ever one I was listening to at the moment. "Turn, Turn, Turn", "Daniel and the Sacred Harp" by the Band, "Tamborine Man", and don't forget early Elton John (Tumbleweed Connection). Somebody mentioned Chad & Jeremy, and I have forgotten the names, but there were some other British Duo's and groups doing folk rock back then that I really enjoyed. By the way, someone remind me, who did "Ferry 'Cross the Mersey" (sorry if the spelling is wrong.) Gee, I may have to bust out some of my old albums (still have a turntable and every album I [and my parents] ever owned---but no CD player. Duh! I just realized my computer is a CD player. |
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06 Jan 02 - 12:22 AM (#622002) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Big Mick Gerry and the Pacemakers, my friend. How are you, by the way? Coming to the Getaway next year? I sure hope so. Not to early to start planning and saving..............LOL. Mick |
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06 Jan 02 - 12:32 AM (#622004) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Jeri Hi Janie! REAL early Elton John: Empty Skies. I still love Skyline Pidgeon.
Turn me loose from your hands Hey, that never was very well known in the US - I probably could get away with saying it was a late 60's folk song written by Reginald Dwight... |
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06 Jan 02 - 06:23 AM (#622074) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Jerry Rasmussen All right, let's get real esoteric, here. My friend Luke Faust was in a short-lived band called Insect Trust headed by Robert Plamer, who became a well known music critic and author. They did some great stuff, but didn't stick together very long... had just about no commerical success. That's about the only folk-rock band I can remember that actually had some tracks with clawhammer banjo lead.. had a great female lead singer. Female lead singer for the Youngbloods? The three albums I had didn't have a female lead singer. Jesse Colin Young sang most of the leads. Yeah, I go back a ways. I was at the original Woodstock, and still have my tickets to prove it. They go for big bucks now... probably could auction it off on eBay. Jerry |
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06 Jan 02 - 06:44 AM (#622077) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: bernil I keep on "researching"; Folk Rock or Country Rock? I checked my Rock Reference Book (dictionary wasn't the right word, but I'm a swedish woman!) and it sais about the Byrds, that: They developed Folk Rock in the sixties, inspired by Dylan's "Mr Tambourine man". They were also one of the artists who developed the Country Rock of the sixties, with i. e. the LP "Sweethearts of the rodeo". (They were also pioneers in the psycedelic pop, with "Eight miles high".) So there I answered some of my own questions... but it's also a comment to AliUK, who sais the Byrds " really didn't do any rockefied folk music but rockefied acoustic music." Well, I don't know the difference and can just point to the quotations from my book... And to Mick: my reference book sais… that the Eagles stood out as a "...concentrate of Californian Rock, with their mix of C&W-inspired part song, hard guitar-rock and a perfect studio sound." So... I understand now that it isn't easy to define a band as a Folk Rock Band or a Country Rock Band. That can change from record to record. Berit, quite a novice, relying on my Rock Reference Book... ;-) |
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06 Jan 02 - 08:13 AM (#622089) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Mooh Once, back in the mid seventies, I saw Valdy play with the Hometown Band. Hometown Band by themselves tended a little towards a funky pop sound, but with Valdy they were very folk-rock in sound, at least when I saw them live. Not very much a Valdy fan, was I. I don't know anything more about this combination, though I have located two Hometown Band albums (in my cellar, of all places). It's always annoying to me how a band/artist can betray their live act and sound with overproduced recordings, and I think particularly with record company marketing driving the sales an act will leave their live ethics on the stage and do the company's will in the studio. Folk-rock for me really works live. Peace, Mooh. |
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06 Jan 02 - 09:07 AM (#622101) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Jerry Rasmussen Sales drives everything. Jerry |
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06 Jan 02 - 09:09 AM (#622102) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Mooh No shit! Mooh. |
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06 Jan 02 - 09:45 AM (#622116) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: AliUK bernil: actually I personally don't see any difference between acoustic and folk, or any popular music as it all goes through the "folk process"anyway, and I love them all. I was just trying to be mischeivous. The Byrds are one of my all-time favourite bands. Big Mick: I love ya but...Pogue Mahone *BG*...and I agree with you about Buffalo Springfield, great group. Guest: Vai tomar no cû seu filho da puta. There insulted ya and ya didn't know it. You probably only understand the music of Steps and N*STINC |
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06 Jan 02 - 09:54 AM (#622120) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Janie Hi MIck & Jeri. Doing fine. We had a BIG snow which is odd for these parts and I have been sledding my brains outand having a blast. Went to bed last night before I read your posts (half crippled from sled wrecks but blissed out from all the fun.) Jeri--I never heard that Elton John Album. Was Bernie Taupin writing for him then? Bernil--The 60's were such a fertile, creative time for a lot of different genres in music and other arts. It would be fun to see an "Evolutionary Tree" or time line such as National Geographic does to show how different "branches" split, merged and otherwise evolved from the music that came before. Can't really say "roots" unless you start with the rhythm of the heartbeat, followed by the pulse of drums and other percussion and the songs of the natural world as these were probably the actual "roots" of human music. I love that line from Paul Simon "These are the roots of rhythm, and the roots of rythm remain." |
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06 Jan 02 - 10:37 AM (#622135) Subject: Lyr Add: SKYLINE PIGEON (Bernie Taupin, Elton John From: Jeri Janie, the album ("Empty Sky," not "Skies") was only released in the UK, and I got it as an import. I can't find a date on it, but it was his first album and includes songs by Elton John and Bernie Taupin, some of which are just pretty damned weird. My opinion, but I just get the feeling Taupin was trying too hard to be surreal in most of the songs. This one's a keeper, though.
The song Skyline Pigeon is accompanied by a harpsichord. Here's all of the lyrics. (Well, why not.)
Turn me loose from your hands
Fly away Skyline Pigeon fly
Just let me wake up in the morning
For just a Skyline Pigeon... |
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06 Jan 02 - 05:56 PM (#622331) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: GUEST,Dick Waterman "Yeah, I came to New York in 1960, and was there when Dylan came, and you could listen to Mississippi John Hurt all night at the Gaslight Cafe, nursing a cup of coffee, and saw everything disintegrate into 45 minute sets with a cover charge I could never afford. Money does it, every time." Jerry, You certainly never listened to Mississippi John Hurt all night at the Gaslight in 1960. John's rediscovery was only in 1963. When he played at the Gaslight, it was never all night, it was always on the bill with other artists. I know of what I speak, I was John's manager and traveling companion. Dick Waterman Oxford, MS |
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06 Jan 02 - 06:30 PM (#622354) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Little Hawk Somebody mentioned Donovan. He did a lot of great folk-rock, specially around the time of "Sunshine Superman". The Beatles and the Stones also did some great folk-rock numbers here and there. They were both influenced by Dylan, and he was certainly influenced by the Beatles too...he particularly admired their ability with chord structures, and ended up collaborating with George Harrison on numerous occasions right up through the Traveling Wilburys albums. Among the Beatles, Lennon was probably the biggest Dylan admirer at first, but later went off into other areas, declaring "I don't believe in Zimmerman..." in that one song. He was consciously demolishing his former idols, just as Dylan did when he let go of his former idolization of Woody Guthrie and forged his own unique identity instead (around about 1964-65). I also agree that CCR qualify as pretty good folk-rock on occasions. Funny how it was an almost totally male preserve back then, for bands at least, if not for singer-songwriters. My, how times have changed. Even at the time (in the 60's), at least half of my favourite musical performers were women (Joan Baez, Buffy Saint-Marie, Judy Collins, Sylvia Tyson, Joni Mitchell), Grace Slick)...but of those only Slick was in what you could term a "band", in the usual sense of the word. In more recent times, I'll add Emmy Lou Harris, Shawn Colvin, Mary Chapin Carpenter, and Tish Hinojosa onto that list too. Big Mick has the same sometime reservations about Paul Simon as I do (Kodachrome...yuck!), but when he's good he's really good. Did anyone catch the tour he did with Dylan a few years ago? That must have been a treat to see. - LH |
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06 Jan 02 - 06:58 PM (#622371) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Tattie Bogle STEELEYE SPAN: they were the first band where I even heard the term "folk rock". RUNRIG: no doubt someone will say they're Celtic Rock, but it's a fine distinction, and they've been around since the 70's. Tattie B |
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06 Jan 02 - 07:41 PM (#622410) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: GUEST,L Jumpin' jellybeans! I didn't think anyone had heard of "Cat Mother"! I loved 'em. Then there was New Riders of the Purple Sage... and Simon and Garfunkel...of course bob Dylan and i too liked that song about "teach your children well..." There was also a man named Jonathan Edwards...He had some real interesting things to say.... |
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06 Jan 02 - 08:04 PM (#622425) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Jerry Rasmussen Hi, Dick: I said that I came to New York in 1960. I didn't even discover the Gaslight Cafe until 1961. Either I was having illusions, or when I first heard John, he did several sets. I KNOW there was no one else on the bill with him the first time I heard him. But, the scene changed there quickly. When Sam Hood and his son were running the place, there was no cover charge, and if they knew you, they'd let you nurse a couple of cups of coffee for a whole evening. I used to play at the Monday night hoots, and Dave Van Ronk, who ran them, liked to go up and sit in the bar at the Kettle of Fish. Dave was happy to have me do a couple of extra songs, so he could hang out at the Kettle. I had a friend who worked in the kitchen there, Ken Hafferman, so I'd wander back into the kitchen between sets. Over a period of a couple of years,the Galsight went from no cover charge and a performer doing at least three sets a night, to having 45 minute to an hour "Shows" with an opening act. I opened for the Highwaymen on weekend. During that time, you're right. No one sang for a whole evening. Sure don't want to argue... Mississippi John was a great man, and I felt extremely priviledged to hear him. If you brought him there, I will always be indebted to you. But, I STILL think that the first time I heard him, he wasn't sharing the bill with anyone.. Thanks for bringing him up.. Jerry |
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06 Jan 02 - 08:11 PM (#622429) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Amos Dick Waterman: I'ld like to invite you to write down any tales you care to tell from your days as M.J.H's manager. I can't think of anywhere you'd find an audience as appreciative as this one. If you want any tips on starting a separate thread here, just ask. ANd we'd be glad to have you on board as a regular if you aren't -- its free and easy. Personally he was a signficant influence on my music and I'd like to know more about him. A |
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06 Jan 02 - 08:48 PM (#622443) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: catspaw49 And while either Jerry or Dick is at it, can you offer any words on Patrick Sky. He has a few old fans around here and I know he worked on a couple of MJH albums and was also a part of that early Village scene too. Like Amos, John Hurt was a big influence (in my case, I found him through Pat Sky) so anything else would be appreciated. Spaw |
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06 Jan 02 - 09:08 PM (#622456) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Jerry Rasmussen Pat Sky is alive and well, with his same crazy sense of humor. I last heard him at a resurrection of the Eisteddfod Festival in N. Dartmouth, Mass. about a month ago. The festival was a one time revisiting in honor of Howard Glasser, on his retirement. As far as I've heard, Pat has stuck pretty exclusively to Eulian pipes for many years now. That's all he played in his concert set. My favorite Pat Sky story is that many years ago, his friend Dave Van Ronk was up visiting him in a small town in Massachusetts. Dave is a New York City person... loves the energy, noise and vitality of the street. He was going nuts at Pat's, pacing the floor out of boredom. Finally he said to Pat, "What's there to do in this town?" Pat answered, "You're doing it." I saw Pat occasionally in Greenwich Village in the early 60's, but didn't really know him, although he's always been friendly. I know NOTHING else about Mississippi John Hurt, except that he was the most unassuming, modest performer I've ever seen and I was completely mesmerized, watching and listening to him. Jerry |
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06 Jan 02 - 09:11 PM (#622458) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Jerry Rasmussen Guest L: Yep, I just had the high bid on the second Cat Mother album (thanks to the gracious refraint of Big Mick not bidding the price up.) I never owned the one I just bought, but had a friend who had it, and could never get their version of Boston Burglar out of my mind. What about Redbone, slipping down the list into even greater obscurity. Redbone had the distinction of being a Native American band... Jerry |
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06 Jan 02 - 09:30 PM (#622469) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: catspaw49 Thanks Jerry...I knew about the pipes....even has some books and research work to his credit too on them. He wrote some really beautiful stuff and I was glad to see the sense of humor/political irreverence was still around too. See The FBI Barbeque Spaw |
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07 Jan 02 - 01:37 AM (#622549) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: GUEST,BigDaddy What, no gooseheads out there? Goose Creek Symphony is still going strong. Pre-1970 it was CSNY for me. After that I discovered Steeleye Span (Below The Salt) and Fairport Convention (Liege And Lief). Still love 'em all. |
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07 Jan 02 - 05:13 AM (#622587) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: GUEST,AKS Horslips! I know, I know, 'keltik rok', but still... AKS |
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07 Jan 02 - 11:38 AM (#622724) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: GUEST,mkebenn@work Mason Profitt? Pure Prarie league? Country Joe Mcdonald? Mike |
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07 Jan 02 - 12:17 PM (#622742) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Bobert Anyone mention POCO? Cat Stevens or America? Flying Burrito Brothers? Paul Siebel? Tom Waits? Gordon Lightfoot. Loudoun Wainwright. John Prine. Don: Love McKendree Springs. Their cover of Niel Young's "Down by the River" is awesome. That electric violin just soars. Not bad for a bunch of college kids and one of their professors, if I remember the story correctly. Mike: GUEST: Mason Profitt had some of the tightest harmonies of the 70's. Definately competed with the likes of C.S.N. and Pure Prarie League. And how about some contemporaries who are keeping the faith: Robin Fulks, Shawn Phillips, Richard Buckner, Pete Drodge, Bearfoot Servants, Uncle Tupalo, Wilco, Storyville, Jackopierce, Corey Harris, etc. |
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07 Jan 02 - 01:45 PM (#622786) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Lonesome EJ Mason Profitt. The name rings a bell but I can't remember any songs of theirs. Anyone know of some? I don't see The Flying Burritos as Folk-Rock (definition ambiguity?), although Hillman and Parsons definitely had roots in Folk. The music was more a mix of country, rock and soul. I mean, they included 6 Days on the Road, Do-Right Woman, and Wild Horses in their repertoire. It was traditional in the sense that much of it was derived from the Carters, Louvins, etc. In contrast, much of today's so-called country is rooted in the work of people like the Burritos, Poco, Marshall Tucker etc. Parsons and the International Submarine Band probably had the first true Country-Rock album with Safe at Home, but Sweetheart of the Rodeo marked a kind of transitional point between Folk-Rock and Country-Rock. It used source material from Guthrie and Dylan, but also from Haggard, Travis and the Louvins. It used banjo, fiddle and mandolin extensively, but also steel guitar. In many ways, it signalled the end of the Folk Revival of the Sixties, and the onset of the "back-to-the-country" style that characterized works that followed, like the Dead's Workingman's Dead, Neil Young's Harvest and Dylan's Nashville Skyline. In this sense, I would place bands like Pure Prairie, New Riders, and the Eagles in this divergent line of roots-rock, a line that, for better or worse, gave birth to much of what we know as "modern country music". |
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07 Jan 02 - 02:13 PM (#622798) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Lepus Rex Hoven Droven. Hard folk-rock from Sweden. :) ---Lepus Rex |
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07 Jan 02 - 02:23 PM (#622802) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Allan C. I never quite knew the proper box in which to fit Spanky and Our Gang. I suppose folk rock will have to do. I had a "live" album of theirs that was filled with songs such as "Amelia Earhart", "Ya Got Trouble" (which was a comical version of the River City song from "Music Man") and quite a few other rather funny songs. But later on they moved into more modern, topical stuff such as their "Give A Damn" and "Yesterday's Rain" and "I'd Like To Get To Know You". Either way, I was always a fan. |
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07 Jan 02 - 02:37 PM (#622805) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: GUEST,mkebenn@work Lonesome, I believe Mason Profitt was The Talbot brothers who later turned to Chritian music as Harvest. The only titles I can remember are "Two Hangmen" and "Flying Arrow" My name is Flying Arrow and I live in Arizona part of what is now a dying nation. My tribe is called the Hunkpapa and we build our homes of cardboard a desert floor, nine by twelve of sorrow. Mike |
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07 Jan 02 - 07:08 PM (#622973) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: GUEST,frankie I like most of those old lapsed folkies and more recently The Gin Blossoms and Cowboy Junkies. f |
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07 Jan 02 - 08:24 PM (#623023) Subject: RE: Folk rock - Got a favorite? From: Bobert Yeah GUEST, Frankie. And don't forget Toad the Wet Sproket, REM, Red House Painters, Cranberries, Letters from Cleo, A3, Lucindra Williams, Patti Griffin, Dennis Brennar, Jack Ingram in the contemporay list. And J.J.Cale, A.J. Croce, Ray Willie Hubbard, Edwin McCann, Mark Cohn and James McMurtry in the "kind of oldie" category. And for a few of the oldies that I forgot to mention in my above post, Tom Rush, Jim Croce and the great folk trio from Corpis Crisit Texas, the Pozo Sego Singers featuring Don Willimas and Susan Taylor. Now that was a great folk trio, if there ever was one. |