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08 Jan 02 - 07:07 AM (#623249) Subject: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) OK, so this doesn't belong in Mudcat, but I lack one word of completing a crossword puzzle.The clue is: Dubelin's Gaelic middle name. Can someone provide the answer so my brain stops spinning gears? |
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08 Jan 02 - 07:18 AM (#623251) Subject: RE: BS: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: Aidan Crossey atha ...there, that's better than aspirin, i'll bet! |
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08 Jan 02 - 07:20 AM (#623252) Subject: RE: BS: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: GUEST Dichio, It`s Atha, and it`s DUBLIN, Baile cliath. |
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08 Jan 02 - 07:26 AM (#623255) Subject: RE: BS: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Gracias, Guest! Now I can go back to bed and sleep. |
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08 Jan 02 - 09:17 AM (#623326) Subject: RE: BS: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: GUEST,Mikey Joe The Irish for Dublin City is Báile Átha Cliath. Dublin County is Áth Cliath. Although Dublin is an anglecisation (sp?) of Dubh Linn meaning Black Pool. Mj |
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08 Jan 02 - 11:51 AM (#623411) Subject: RE: BS: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: GUEST Baile Atha Cliath, which means the town of the ford of the hurdles. Atha is your word. |
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09 Jan 02 - 09:16 AM (#624054) Subject: RE: BS: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: Paddy Plastique Why not 'Dubelin' ? Crossword compiler has obviously gone for a phonetic rendering - with that extra vowel we Irish sometimes slap in words - 'film' mar shampla |
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10 Jan 02 - 02:27 AM (#624679) Subject: RE: BS: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: brioc Would I be right in assuming that based on all the informative answers on this topic, that all ye who answered are IRISH?? I myself am from Dublin, though I have lived in Switzerland for the last 17 years. If ye are Irish, where are ye from? Brigid |
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10 Jan 02 - 04:18 AM (#624697) Subject: RE: BS: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: Paddy Plastique Brigid, I won't claim to be 'informative' but I am Irish. Like yerself, I'm also a Dub and stranded on the 'continong' though only since '99 (somewhere unmentionable halfway between Toulouse and Bordeaux) |
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10 Jan 02 - 06:21 AM (#624735) Subject: RE: BS: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: GUEST,AKS Oolrait! Now that we're at it, would somebody be so kind and give the 'correct' pronunciation of "Baile Átha Cliath" as well?! Well aware that there some tricks in the Irish spelling vs uttering the words out loud, I would not be bold enough to give it a try meself:-) AKS |
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10 Jan 02 - 09:06 AM (#624801) Subject: RE: BS: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: GUEST This son of the North will oblige, baal-ya clee-a, Well you Dubs, what do you think. |
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10 Jan 02 - 11:49 AM (#624899) Subject: RE: BS: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: Paddy Plastique You forgot the 'aw-ha' bit in the middle, son of the North. The other few syllables are grand, I s'pose. Shouldn't be asking us Dubs to pronounce it, though, We've been deep in the Galltacht for centuries |
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10 Jan 02 - 04:33 PM (#625160) Subject: RE: BS: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: GUEST Paddy P, Whenever I hear it a la Gaelige the aha in the middle is silent, Son of the North. |
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14 Jan 02 - 05:37 AM (#627513) Subject: RE: BS: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: GUEST,AKS Thanks plenty! So, Balliaklia would be its 'phonetic' spelling, more or less, wouldn't it (like, eg, Clontarf is for Cluain Tarbh, I mean)! AKS (who is a member but seems to show as 'guest', 'thas sthing to do with me using Opera 5 now, I guess) |
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14 Jan 02 - 07:56 AM (#627541) Subject: RE: BS: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: GUEST Aks, right on the nose, your wee bit of Russian is poifec. So of the North. |
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14 Jan 02 - 08:19 AM (#627551) Subject: RE: BS: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: Paddy Plastique The Ordnance Survey would probably have turned it into 'Ballyhackley' if it weren't for the fact that 'Dublin' had stuck a few centuries before they did their first map. Anyone else think 'Ballyhackley' would be a more suitable name for Limerick ? :-> Sorry, Son of the North, for putting in extra syllables with me school Irish... |
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14 Jan 02 - 07:42 PM (#628001) Subject: RE: BS: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: GUEST,chrisj Any native speakers of Irish that I know say "B'lá Cliath", (blawklee). Indications are that the Viking settlement was at 'Dubh Linn' the black/dark pool suitable for a harbour,while the 'Átha Cliath' the ford/crossing of the hurdles may have been where the locals had a settlement of some kind. Unusually for the Vikings they appear to have adopted the Irish name for the area unlike other settlements they founded in Ireland. |
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15 Jan 02 - 01:58 AM (#628186) Subject: RE: BS: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: GUEST,AKS Hei, that Ballyhackley, wouldn't it sound just grand for any place in the green ... :-) AKS |
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15 Jan 02 - 04:51 PM (#628559) Subject: RE: BS: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: iRiShBaBe paddy plastique, would u mind telling me, a native and proud Limerickwoman why exactly Ballyhackley would be best located in Limerick???surely youre not as ignorant to link your statement up with the rather uncanny nickname the rest of the country seem to have for Limerick "Stab city" are you??
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16 Jan 02 - 04:52 AM (#628874) Subject: RE: BS: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: GUEST,Paddy Plastique, Cookie Gone 'fraid so, iRiShBaBe , I went for the easy joke... From news reports last time I was home, it could also easily be stuck on most of Dublin's outer suburban mess, North Belfast, Portadown, Cork... Dunno why we pick on Limerick in particular. I'll say 15 'Hail Frank McCourts' in penance |
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16 Jan 02 - 04:59 AM (#628876) Subject: RE: BS: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: John J Does Dublin in gaelic = Blackpool in English? I think Dubh = black, llyn (?) = pool. Just a thought. John |
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16 Jan 02 - 05:52 AM (#628888) Subject: RE: BS: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: GUEST,Martin Ryan Yes, John it does - but we have no illuminations! Regards |
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16 Jan 02 - 06:25 AM (#628893) Subject: RE: BS: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: Aidan Crossey And the tower's been blown up! |
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16 Jan 02 - 04:10 PM (#629216) Subject: RE: BS: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: iRiShBaBe u do that... might teach u a lesson! |
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17 Jan 02 - 08:32 AM (#629633) Subject: RE: BS: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: John J I think I prefer the Blackpool in Eire to the one we have here :-)] John |
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18 Jan 02 - 07:31 AM (#630354) Subject: RE: BS: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: GUEST,JTT The ford of the hurdles was at what's now Church Street Bridge, which was on one of the five roads to Tara. That particular road came up through Bohernabreena (Bóthar na Brianaigh - the road of the O'Briens) and crossed the river - then wide and marshy - to go on to Stoneybatter (stony bóthar - "th" was then pronounced "th" rather than "h") and up to Tara. And Blaw Clee-a, or Bollya Aw Clee-a, though the first is how most westerners say it. |
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18 Jan 02 - 07:43 AM (#630360) Subject: RE: BS: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: Fibula Mattock I spent 6 months digging up bloomin' hurdles (okay, wattle paths and walls) in Dublin. It was one of the best sites I ever worked on. |
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18 Jan 02 - 08:34 AM (#630399) Subject: RE: BS: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: GUEST,AKS Bóthar na Brianaigh - now I see where the boreen comes from. The green one, I mean, that the sweet colleen (coileán?) came down and smiled when passing me by!;-) have a very nice weekend all!! AKS |
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18 Jan 02 - 08:40 AM (#630404) Subject: RE: BS: Help! Gaelic Dubilin name From: GUEST Oh, that's bóithrín - little road. A bóthar, by the way, is bó (cow) thar (passage, in the verbal sense) - a road wide enough for two drovers to pass with their cattle. |