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08 Feb 02 - 11:06 PM (#645761) Subject: Smokers v's Drinkers From: GUEST,ME |
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08 Feb 02 - 11:14 PM (#645765) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: khandu Did you say " "? |
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08 Feb 02 - 11:14 PM (#645767) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: GUEST OK so i messed up first time. But why is it that smokers feel so superior to alcoholics. A smoker is addicted to nicotine, an alcohlic is addiicted to alcohol.I am a drinker and an ex smoker. Can open worms everywhere. peace......... |
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08 Feb 02 - 11:21 PM (#645772) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: katlaughing Why didn't you use the BS designation for this thread? |
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08 Feb 02 - 11:26 PM (#645777) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: khandu It is a conundrum to see you begin a sentence about opening a can of worms and ending with "peace". I am a smoker, and a former heavy drinker. I do not consider myself superior to anyone. However, it appears that since alcoholism can and does cause so much tragedy in multi-faceted forms, people tend to look down upon the drinkers. I have never smoked a cigarette and become abusive to anyone. I have done so while drinking. Drinking is linked to so many types of sadness, whereas, smoking is linked to the illness/ death of the smoker and the problems caused by the illness/ death. khandu |
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08 Feb 02 - 11:38 PM (#645784) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: Catherine Jayne Well I talk to you as a smoker and a drinker and I dont feel superior over anyone. I work in a nightclub (serving alcoholic and non-alcoholic beverages) and I frequently see the consequences of various people when they have had too much alcohol.......or redbull (caffine drink!) and I dont like what I have to deal with. Some people just don't know when they have had enough and turn violent and over possessive and it alway turns out to be the poor barmaid who bears the brunt of the agrovation when last orders have been called.........as you can tell I have just returned home after yet another night of this!!! catsPHiddle........also gagging for a fag!!!!! |
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08 Feb 02 - 11:47 PM (#645791) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: marty D Well as a non-smoker and virtually non-drinker, I may not be an expert, but I doubt that weekend Guest flamers on Mudcat are motivated by cigarettes. marty |
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08 Feb 02 - 11:50 PM (#645796) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: Clinton Hammond I drink, and I smoke... and I'm quite happy about it... .-) |
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08 Feb 02 - 11:54 PM (#645797) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: Catherine Jayne I wouldnt say that I am motivated by cigarettes however I could be motivated by alcohol.......I haven't had an alcoholic beverage since micca came up to yorkshire 3 weeks ago!!! |
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08 Feb 02 - 11:58 PM (#645799) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: Catherine Jayne Good on you clinton.......I drink and smoke and I am very happy with it.......its other people who usually have the problem with me polluting the air space with cigarette smoke!!! |
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09 Feb 02 - 12:00 AM (#645801) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: Clinton Hammond "its other people who usually have the problem with me polluting the air space with cigarette smoke!!!" Then THEY shouldn't be where I'm at! LOL!!! Seriously... I don't drink, but at the pub... I don't smoke but at the pub or at the pool hall... All places where I'm allowed and encouraged to smoke and drink! LOL!!! |
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09 Feb 02 - 12:22 AM (#645809) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: Devilmaster I'm not an alcoholic...... Alcoholics go to meetings and by their very nature are quitters...... I am a drunk! :) Steve |
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09 Feb 02 - 08:24 AM (#645920) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: Desdemona Steve---LOL!
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09 Feb 02 - 11:28 AM (#645991) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: mack/misophist It's hard not to feel a little superior to some-one who IS drunk. Hardly ever a pretty sight. On the other hand, some-one who smokes too much, as I do, doesn't make themselves a cynosure. A less visible vice, if you like. I also drink but I decided many years ago that being embarrassed about my drunken behaviour was a drag so I quit getting drunk. |
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09 Feb 02 - 12:23 PM (#646023) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: GUEST,SteveB I don't drink or smoke...I don't mind if other people do. But I just find it's a waste of time and money. I'd much rather fiddle then drink or smoke. I don't have to stop fiddling for a smoke, and I have lots of evergy for fiddling all night. Plus I just feel better and get more fun and excitement out of whatever I'm doing. As far as drinking vs smoking...I do think that drinking has more consequences than smoking. As long as the smoker isn't smoking near me. Although moderate drinking isn't too bad supposedly. But I've only met a very few people during my life who actually follow that two drink a day rule ;-) And even those people say they get tired after the second drink wears off. I'd rather just have the energy to play all night and enjoy every second of it.
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09 Feb 02 - 12:41 PM (#646038) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: Bill D from MY viewpoint moderate drinking is seldom a problem, and has been shown to have 'some' benefits...(I do it myself)...moderate smoking is NEVER good. in company/public?..I can usually avoid a drinker if I don't like their behavior, but: "I have never smoked a cigarette and become abusive to anyone" .......anyone who fills my space with smoke IS being involuntarily abusive to me. Happily, I have lived to see the time when most of the places I go do not allow smoking. (right...that means I must avoid certain bars...or drastically limit my time there) It is not an easy thing to deal with since smoking was promoted and allowed for so many years and became part of the culture, but I still remember working in a grocery store in the early 1960s and not only having to sweep up butts every day, but endure shoppers blowing smoke in my face as I checked their groceries. I have VERY seldom had to deal with users of alcohol in public, though I do understand that those who work in bars have quite different experiences, as do those with family members who are addicted..... |
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09 Feb 02 - 12:46 PM (#646042) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: Susan of DT (dick greenhaus here) Second hand smoke may be a problem, but second-hand drink can be a real mess. |
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09 Feb 02 - 12:49 PM (#646045) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: Clinton Hammond "anyone who fills my space with smoke IS being involuntarily abusive" Who said it was YOUR space? It's MINE and you KNOW it! LOL!!! Seriously, if smoking indoors was made illegal across the board, I wouldn't mind one bit... Every pub/bar would have a porch for the smokers to step out on to, and the air in the room would be nice and clear... Would make gigs a hell of a lot more fun, 9 times out of 10... especially where the cigar smoking a$$holes are concerned... Smoking is best outside anyway... especially under the midnight stars on a cold, quiet winter night... For now, it's allowed inside, so it's just more convenient... And well, I'm not holding my breath that it's gonna really change... |
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09 Feb 02 - 12:54 PM (#646050) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: Bill D "Who said it was YOUR space? It's MINE and you KNOW it!" If you can figger out how to KEEP it within 3 inches of your face, Clinton, old bean, be my guest!..*grin* ('cause I ain't gonna get close enuf to kiss you!) |
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09 Feb 02 - 12:54 PM (#646051) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: Clinton Hammond Well, thank GODS for that BillD!! LOL!!!!!!! |
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09 Feb 02 - 01:01 PM (#646056) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: Desdemona Here (in the States), smoking is becoming a more & more marginalised behaviour; almost no restaurants allow smoking now, and basically no work-places at all. I'm not a smoker, although my husband is; we're both [usually ;~)]moderate drinkers, and I hope we never make anyone uncomfortable as a result of either choice. My husband would never consider lighting up in someone's home, or at the dinner table; we have 3 kids, so even at home he goes outside. But at a pub, for instance, it's another story entirely! Many non-smokers dislike & complain about the smoky atmosphere in pubs, bars, clubs, etc., but my feeling is that it's one of the inherent characteristics of those types of places: by making a choice to be there you're basically making the choice to deal with that aspect of it. By the same token, should a non-drinker decide to go to a pub to hear music, s/he needs to deal with the fact that other people will have chosen to be drinking there---it's a feature of that environment! |
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09 Feb 02 - 02:13 PM (#646093) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: Dave the Gnome I used to smoke and have every intention of starting again when I retire - cigars and black twist pipe tobaco preferably. Just to annoy everyone! I drink a fair bit though cannot now manage the gallon of beer a night I used to do once. I find four pints or a bottle of wine twice a week more than enough. Anyhow - point is I have no axe to grind with either. Good luck to the smokers and drinkers who manage to keep healthy especialy. What really bugs me is that I drive about 30k miles a year. I worry about all the crap that my engine is pumping into the air but cannot see a viable alternative at the moment. I cannot understand the non-smoking or non-drinking drivers who gloat. As far as I can see the infernal combustion engine is doing far more harm than either. As I said I drive a lot myself. I have to for work. But it doesn't stop me feeling guilty! I could stop driving of course but that would mean me packing in my job and an extemely severe curtailment of lifestyle for me and my family. And I just don't feel that guilty:-( The point is...? Dunno really. Just wanted to share. Cheers Dave the Gnome |
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09 Feb 02 - 02:26 PM (#646101) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: Susan of DT (actually from dick greenhaus) Second hand smoke may be a problem, but have you ever tried to get second hand drink off your shoes? |
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09 Feb 02 - 03:16 PM (#646115) Subject: RE: Smokers vs. Drinkers From: Deda I was raised by parents who both smoked a lot AND drank a lot. If I could go back and change only ONE behavior, it would be the drinking; that's what led to all the really unhappy and neurotic family crap. Of course I'd rather that they could have quit smoking, too, because it would have meant longer lives for both of them and more time together for all of us -- but if they had been drinking their normal quantities, the added time wouldn't have been any favor to anyone. PS. "vs" is usually spelled as above, not with an apostrophe. It comes from latin, from the verb "verto" to turn, so it means turned towards or against. Same derivation as reverse, inverse, diverse, etc. |
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09 Feb 02 - 03:32 PM (#646124) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: swirlygirl I don't think cigarettes and alcohol are a problem...just the people who abuse them and don't think of what they do to others when they do...(physically and emotionally) :) xxx |
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09 Feb 02 - 05:50 PM (#646177) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: Rustic Rebel A little poem I wrote, goes like this; Vodka makes me turn pretty red Whiskey makes me wish you were dead Tequila makes me forget what I've said I think I should smoke pot instead! Rustic |
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09 Feb 02 - 09:51 PM (#646298) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: 53 What does it matter, both of them will kill you. |
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09 Feb 02 - 10:03 PM (#646304) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: Peg The thing is, alcoholic drinks in moderation not only won't kill you, they have been proven in many studies to IMPROVE health! Trouble is most people can't keep it to the recommended one drink per day. ANY cigarette smoking is going to subtract days from your life.
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09 Feb 02 - 11:32 PM (#646350) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: Bill D well, Peg...I oughta live forever, then! Never, ever smoked a cigarette, and lucky enough to NOT 'need' alcohol, though I do enjoy it in several forms. My younger brother, on the other hand got all the addictions, and spent years trying to overcome them... I am almost sure now that it is basic DNA and chance that determine who suffers and who does not...exacerbated by various other things and influences. In some ways, this is good news, as it may make it possible to engineer the problem out of the race eventually. ...Not soon enough for my brother, who got my share of the problem genes. |
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10 Feb 02 - 01:35 AM (#646377) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: Little Hawk Smokers versus Drinkers? That's an interesting concept! If we were to have a fight to the finish between smokers and problem drinkers, it would eliminate most of the undesirables in this town! If it were to happen worldwide, it would completely cure the overpopulation problem, and greatly improve air quality, plus reduce traffic accidents and public brawling to a tolerable minimum. I'm all for it. We could provide smokers and drinkers who feel superior to one another with a handy area of empty land...like the Australian outback...and have 'em go to it. Those who both drink AND smoke (which is most of them, I think) could just indiscriminately attack whomever they pleased or switch sides at random, until they ran out of foes to fight...by which time the basic problem would be pretty much solved. Funny no one has ever suggested this before, eh? :-) Some other possible pairings off: Democrats vs. Republicans, Snowmobilers vs. Jetskiers, Rappers vs. Heavy Metalers, Televangelists vs. Pornographers, Lawyers vs. Life Insurance Salesmen, Dear Abby vs. Ann Landers... Really, the possibilities are endless. - LH
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10 Feb 02 - 01:58 AM (#646385) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Anyone fancy a pint? |
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10 Feb 02 - 02:09 AM (#646388) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: GUEST,Boab Smoked my last cig about 35 years ago----but still too late to be clear of emphysema. Jeeze, how I wish I could start again! I like a drink --in moderation [whatever that means---]---but the only time I can visit the local pub is early afternoon, when the smokers haven't appeared. Khandu----if you smoke in ANY environment in which I am trapped by circumstance, then you most certainly abuse me-, and my right to breathe fresh air. You have a right to smoke---but you have no right to treat me or anyone to a dose of downstream muck. I would never cause you grief in a public place by being anything other than amiable, smoke or no smoke---and I promise not to get swearing drunk and spill any guinness on your shoes before I go home and abuse my family----- Boab [who smoked cigarettes, and thick black pipe tobacco, interspersed by many a chewed plug of baccy. I can hear all of it now---I have no right to criticise, etc., etc. I wish I could bring back my friends-Bob, Harry, John,Neil Hughie, Johnny and my own beloved sister; all died of cancer before seeing seventy. All were cigarette smokers. Please try to stop---if my concern seems a wee bit intrusive, understand that horrid personal experience prompts it.]] |
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10 Feb 02 - 07:00 AM (#646433) Subject: RE: Smokers v's Drinkers From: RichM My city has recently enacted a strict law: NO smoking whatsoever in public buildings including restaurants bars, pubs and other alcohol establishments.
I love it! I can play music now at jams, sessions, and at paying gigs, all without smoke! Do I feel sorry for the smokers? Not a bit- it's payback time! Now if I could just find an effective anti-smoker repellent for the ones that hang around the entrances... |