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09 Feb 02 - 03:43 AM (#645861) Subject: HRH Princess Margaret From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Princess Margaret Died today (the queens sister) |
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09 Feb 02 - 03:49 AM (#645864) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: Cappuccino A much misunderstood lady, I think. She always seemed the most human and fallible of the royals. RIP indeed. - Ian B |
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09 Feb 02 - 04:27 AM (#645868) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: Hrothgar Unlucky to be born a royal. If she'd had her life as somebody else, it would have been easier. |
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09 Feb 02 - 05:03 AM (#645875) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: Fiolar Her last years had been marred by ill health and she had suffered at least three strokes which left her semi-paralysed and with sight problems. Sadly she appeared to be a deeply unhappy person and her first romance with Peter Townsend was broken off becuse of "protocol." I wonder how things would have turned out if in fact she had married him. To quote - "the saddest words, I've ever seen; are those that say 'it might have been.'" At peace. |
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09 Feb 02 - 05:50 AM (#645885) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: gnu RIP. |
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09 Feb 02 - 07:38 AM (#645904) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: GUEST,guest saddened as I am by anyone's death I can't help but see her life as a wasted, parasitical mess. Britain will never advance culturally as it should until the royal family are voted out and allowed to slaughter animals and raise horses which appear to be their favourite pastimes. |
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09 Feb 02 - 07:43 AM (#645907) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: GUEST Far from being a wasted, parasitical mess..She was the president of: The English Folk Dance and Song Club, National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children, Girl Guides, and many others. She was also Patron of 30 charitable and professional bodies. RIP. |
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09 Feb 02 - 08:05 AM (#645912) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: Desdemona Oh, I'm sorry to hear it; my mother will be as well. Mum was born in 1929 & sort of "grew up" with the princesses through the war, etc. I always thought Princess Margaret was probably misunderstood as well; few people could be as single-minded when it comes to their "duty" as her sister--a rather difficult standard against which to be measured! Not there's ever a good time to lose one's sister, but QEII must be fairly bummed that it happened in her jubilee week, & the anniversary of her father's death. |
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09 Feb 02 - 09:03 AM (#645932) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: GUEST,jennifer The arts - including folk music, has lost yet another supporter and I feel much sympathy for the family, no matter what their station in life...remember that wonderful song: 'There but for fortune'? |
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09 Feb 02 - 10:21 AM (#645960) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: katlaughing Was really sorry to awake to this news. When we get moved and I can unpack my books, I shall have to reread an old paperback I have, from the 40's, about the "Princesses." It has a picture of the two of them on the cover. It's got to be tough on QEII...losing a sister, esp. in such a position as hers. I would think a sister such as Margaret may have been one of the few people in whom she could confide and who might understand what her life of dictated control must be like. Fare well, dear Rrincess. RIP. kat |
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09 Feb 02 - 10:38 AM (#645964) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: Jim Dixon Here's an odd coincidence. Today I opened up Walt Kelly's "Pogo's Sunday Punch," from 1957, meaning to transcribe several poems for the Lyr Req: Pogo's Songs thread, and I found one poem about Princess Margaret. "Pogo" was an American comic strip, and before "Doonesbury," it was probably our most politically satirical one. This poem, however, isn't satire. It is accompanied by cartoons of the comic strip's animal characters, but in this case, the animals look rather sad. The cartoons don't portray the princess herself, but rather her American fans. TO PRINCESS MARGARET ROSE (Walt Kelly, 1957)
The last photograph and a half of you,
We've suffered,
With the old and the new
But what would we do with the children? |
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09 Feb 02 - 10:47 AM (#645967) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: Susanne (skw) She made of her life what her circumstances (and 'protocol') allowed her to make of it. She tried to break out - maybe in a way that we consider 'wrong', but she did. And I agree it's a sad thought that her life might have been entirely different had she not been prevented from marrying Peter Townsend for what was even then fast becoming the most outdated of reasons. Her family have a right to our sympathy as much as any of our neighbours, and mine is for the Queen Mother in particular who should not have seen this happen. I fear we won't have long to wait for more sad news! RIP |
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09 Feb 02 - 11:07 AM (#645981) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: Catherine Jayne RIP dear Princess Margret a truely wonderful of whom I share my birthday with.......may you rest in peace. |
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09 Feb 02 - 12:01 PM (#646008) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: john c Very sad to hear of her death. She was apparently a pretty accomplished pianist and (this is true, I swear it!) used to jam with the Incredible String Band when she was in Scotland. The background is, The Incredibles inhabited a row of cottages on an estate owned by a relative of the royal family and HRH Margaret used to holiday there whenever she could. Thus the ISB and HRH got aquainted and produced what was probably the most unlikely combination in the history of any music - ever!! J. |
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09 Feb 02 - 12:02 PM (#646009) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: Rick Fielding Sorry to see you go gal. She appeared to have spirit, spunk and probably would have been much happier as a civilian. By the way....ever see those pics of her when she was young....a SERIOUS babe! Rick |
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09 Feb 02 - 12:18 PM (#646021) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: katlaughing Here is an official memorial website: click here. My sympathies to the Queen Mum, also, as you said, Susanne |
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09 Feb 02 - 01:58 PM (#646086) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: RolyH Yes , john c, there was an article in Mojo last year about HRH's links with the ISB. |
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09 Feb 02 - 02:09 PM (#646092) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: Malcolm Douglas It appears that Patrick Shuldham Shaw's Margaret's Waltz was originally Princess Margaret's Waltz, incidentally. |
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09 Feb 02 - 03:48 PM (#646129) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: Bat Goddess She made the best out of having no control over her life. How sad to not be able to marry without permission. I've always felt sorry for those born into the "family firm" with no real choice over career, marriage, etc. And no choice to just walk away. She probably would have been a lot happier as a "civilian." How old is the Queen Mum these days? Gin and tonic must agree with her! Our condolences to all of those whose lives she touched. Linn |
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09 Feb 02 - 04:49 PM (#646153) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: DougR It's very sad, I think. As so many of you have pointed out, she probably didn't have a very happy life, but was evidently a good friend to the arts, and we can't spare too many of them. DougR |
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09 Feb 02 - 05:35 PM (#646171) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: catspaw49 She was a real looker wasn't she Rick? Her life may not have gone as she planned and she certainly gave up that true love and perhaps was colored by that for life.......However, she was a real person and in many ways a wonderful free spirit. She was also friend and patron to many all around the world. Princess Margaret, we were awfully glad to have you here. Spaw |
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09 Feb 02 - 07:26 PM (#646225) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: Cappuccino Speaking very carefully from England, I should point out that the Queen Mum is not * that * universally popular. There is a school of thought which holds that she was the one behind the blocking of Margaret's marriage to Townsend. I'm not putting up an anti-Royals argument, because I too was a great Margaret fan; I'm merely adding the other perspective. Had she been born twenty years later, Margaret might have been more free to show the streak of individuality which marks out Anne, the Princess Royal. They both have/had 'character', by the bucketful. - Ian B |
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09 Feb 02 - 09:30 PM (#646285) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: Peter K (Fionn) Bravely said, IanB. The broad tone of the headlines in the London Sunday papers is respectful about Margaret but removed almost beyond belief from anything that would have been printed just a few years ago. The Observer main headline: "The world she was part of died before she did." The People: "Will this finish off the Queen Mum?" The Sunday Independent doesn't even lead on her demise, though it does have a front-page pic from those faraway days when she seemingly outshone filmstars. Several posts have suggested she might have been happier as a citizen. So she might (and so might we all, for that matter, but of course in the UK we have to settle, as did she, for being subjects). The fact is, she did have a choice. There was no law in the land that stopped her marrying Townsend. Her problem was simply that she would have had to surrender the privileges that fall to our Monarchy's hangers-on. (Less so now than then.) (Of course her actual marriage, years later, to Anthony Armstrong-Jones was ended on Snowdon's initiative after he had seen compromising snapshots of his wife with her then boon companion Roddy Llewellyn.) |
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09 Feb 02 - 10:07 PM (#646307) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: Haruo Sorry to hear it. My sister Peggy was born on or about the day of her wedding, FWIW (she wasn't named for her). I mean on or about the day of the princess's wedding. Sorry ;-) Liland |
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10 Feb 02 - 05:19 AM (#646416) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: GUEST,Plugger Margeret who??? |
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10 Feb 02 - 08:25 AM (#646452) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: Cappuccino Thank you, Fionn. - Ian B |
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10 Feb 02 - 08:48 AM (#646463) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: GUEST What a sycophantic, lot you are! I'm amazed at this romantic tosh you're all talking.Here's the antidote. "During the exchange the princess had been smoking her cigarette....and now looked around for an ashtray..I was taken aback when an equerry hurried forward, grovelled low, and held out his cupped hand. I was mesmerised. Surely she wasn't going to stub her cigarette out on his hand?No- HRH flicked her ash in to it.." D. Dickinson. "The antiques buyer" Off with their heads I say! Or hold out YOUR hand..... |
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10 Feb 02 - 10:52 AM (#646513) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: GUEST And if she dropped ash on the carpet, the fucking press would be commenting on how callous and dirty she was. The Royals cant win in these types of exchanges. The equerry with minimum interference prevented HRH from that embarrasment, thats why you have equerries. (not the guest above) |
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10 Feb 02 - 12:40 PM (#646569) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: Kaleea The life of a royal is not the stuff of fairy tales. Thanks to all who reported the lesser know & remarkabley caring attributes of the late Princess. We will never know how difficult her life was, but perhaps we may appreciate the things she did to better her country & her works, including her gifts to the arts. And as always, at the time of someone's passing, it is better to speak kindly than to speak harshly, as good does not come of berating a dead person. |
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10 Feb 02 - 08:25 PM (#646915) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: kendall For what it's worth, I, as an outsider, see the Royal family, particularly the Queen, as a focal point for the people of the UK. Sure they stumble, and act like humans sometimes, but, they still represent "John Bull" What do we have? GEORGE F******G BUSH! I've never had much use for the royal family, but, when the Queen directed her band to play our national anthem right after 9/11, my opinion of her changed to quite a degree. I still choke up at the thought. |
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11 Feb 02 - 07:00 AM (#647177) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: Dave Bryant As has been mentioned already, Princess Margaret was the President of the English Folk Dance & Song Society. I remember a "President's Ball" at CSH some years ago which she attended. Who would british (preferably EFDSS members) "catters" suggest for the new president - royal or non-royal ? (I've submitted this posting already - I don't know where it went !) |
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11 Feb 02 - 02:07 PM (#647403) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: Mac Tattie RIP ? I thought she was Church of England. Protocol ? She did't marry Peter Townsend because she would have to have given up her title AND her right to all that free money. Once that was made clear she dumped him like last night's kabab. It seems very sad that all she could do was drink, smoke and friter most of her life away. With such power and influence just think what she could have achieved. But then plebs.,poor and common people weren't her thing. Hard work ? Misunderstood? Save your tears for real people. cheers |
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11 Feb 02 - 03:04 PM (#647437) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: McGrath of Harlow I wouldn't raise a hand to defend the British monarchy. And I wouldn't raise a finger to get rid of them.
I can't see any reason to feel antagonism against them. If they're parasites they're no worse than any of the other rich parasites that infest the place, and better than a lot. They haven't made their own money by manipulating the markets and twisting the economy, or debauching the entertainment industry, like the rich who get admired for making a fortune. That's in their favour in my book.
I think of the royals as a strange category of lottery winners, rich and seen as significant purely by chance, because we've decided that there ought to be some rich people about to defer to and sneer at.
Real royalty would be noble and dedicated, and living in poverty and hard ship. And probably a lot happier.
WH Auden wrote: "Private faces in public places
Well I don't know if wiser and nicer are the right words, in the case of Princess Margaret. But definitely easier to feel sad for. |
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11 Feb 02 - 05:33 PM (#647575) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: Irish sergeant I mourn the loss of a person. Haven't given much thought to royals although I rather admire Her Majesty the Queen who was a Truck(Lorry) Mechanic in the Woman's Auxiliary during the sercond World War. I assume HRH did not have to actually get her hands dirty but did. From all accounts. HRH Princess Margaret did the best she could living in her station and in the shadow of her elder sister (No Jab at Good Queen Bess intended) farewell your Highness may you find what you were looking for here in your next life. Neil |
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12 Feb 02 - 09:12 AM (#648088) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: Fiolar Irish sergeant. Regarding the "service" in the Women's Auxiliary of Her Maj, a recent documentary on television highlighted the hypocrisy of it all. The group of women who were picked to be filmed with Elizabeth were all told to pretend to be less well informed than they really were, so as not to show up the royal visitor. Margaret's life was one of partying and "merrymaking" as has already been pointed out in the thread. In such occasions no one was allowed to go to bed before her. Getting into politics a little bit, following the assassination of Mountbatten, she is alleged to have said that "All Irish are pigs." The spin doctors at the palace said what she really said was "All Irish dance jigs." I wonder what bright spark thougt that one up. |
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12 Feb 02 - 09:18 AM (#648095) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: Mikey joe Fiolar is correct in that quote I won't mourn the death of an inbred alcoholic that brands me a pig. Neither am I glad she is dead. I simply justcouldn't give a f*** Mj |
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12 Feb 02 - 07:25 PM (#648635) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: Irish sergeant Fiolar: We didn't get that quote over here in the states it rather alters my perception a bit. I was also unaware about the women's auxiliary documentary. I will obviously plead ignorance. I like to think I'm a smart person but I do miss things on occassion. As for the "bright Spark" he or she is the same sort of twit that haunts all areas of high industry and politics. I call them "Ad weenies" I believe the current politically correct term is "Spin Doctor" As for being branded a pig, I count myself in good company with the likes of Charles Stewart Parnell, Daniel O'Connell James Joyce, etc. Kindest regards, Neil |
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12 Feb 02 - 07:49 PM (#648653) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: Malcolm Douglas I have no brief for the Royal family, and consider myself a republican (in the British sense). However, if your favourite great-uncle had just been murdered by a group that purported to represent the people of another nation, I imagine that you, too, might react quite immoderately in the first instance, and say some things about the people of that nation which you might later regret. No doubt you will recall some of the things said here, in the wake of the Twin Towers atrocity; many people made comments far more racist and unreasonable than those attributed to the late Margaret Windsor, and in many cases without the excuse that they had lost loved ones. These things happen, and we can't revise our entire opinion of a person on the strength of one remark made under stress; if we did, few, if any, of us would have any friends at all. |
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12 Feb 02 - 08:05 PM (#648666) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: McGrath of Harlow I'm sure there were many decent people in the wake of Bloody Sunday who said things like "The English are all murdering bastards", and who can blame people in those kind of circumstances?
It's not fair holding that kind of remark against a person, just because sheer chance placed her in a particular family and particular circumstances. That happens to all of us. What's to envy in Princess Margaret's life and death? |
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12 Feb 02 - 08:05 PM (#648667) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: McGrath of Harlow I'm sure there were many decent people in the wake of Bloody Sunday who said things like "The English are all murdering bastards"; and who can blame people in those kind of circumstances?
It's not fair holding that kind of remark against a person, just because sheer chance placed her in a particular family and particular circumstances. That happens to all of us. What's to envy in Princess Margaret's life and death? |
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12 Feb 02 - 08:51 PM (#648701) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: GUEST,flora Very sad. I consider myself an anti-royalist, but that doesn't make me against the actual humans who make up the royal family. So they're over-privileged, over-paid (and with my money too), serve no discernible purpose (room for a whole other thread there...), have said stupid and offensive things (particularly Prince Philip) and made stupid decisions, BUT that doesn't mean they don't deserve great sympathy over Margaret's death. No parent wishes to see their children die. And even though Margaret madde a choice in favour of her privileged life, that doesn't mean it was an easy or happy one. My thoughts go out to them, as to anyone who loses a loved one. Flora xx |
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23 Feb 05 - 01:30 AM (#1418353) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: GUEST,Pru fom the flue Will her goat turn up at the wedding. Scary! |
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24 Mar 09 - 01:27 AM (#2595874) Subject: RE: OBIT: HRH Princess Margaret From: Desert Dancer Years after the fact, I've quite incidentally caught Malcolm (R.I.P.) out in a rare error -- which was corrected in his own newsletter, of the South Riding Folk Network (pdf online here): It seems that we repeated something of an "urban myth" on the subject of Margaret's Waltz in our last edition. Janet Dashwood kindly wrote to set the record straight: "...the tune and dance were written for Margaret Grant on her retirement as EFDSS Representative in Devon, 1959. ... Margaret Grant did much work in Devon and the south-west teaching and encouraging dance, song and music." ~ Becky in Tucson |