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19 Feb 02 - 08:34 PM (#653720) Subject: Patriot Game From: hobbitwoman Awhile back there was a very informative thread on the song Raglan Road with lots of great information re the composer, meaning of the song, etc. I wonder if any of you would have information re Patriot Game, and/or know the name of a currently available recording that contains the song. Thanks. Annie |
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19 Feb 02 - 08:42 PM (#653723) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: SeanM I can't speak for history, but there are several Clancy Brothers recordings available of "Patriot Game". I believe it's on their 'Songs of Rebellion' CD. M |
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19 Feb 02 - 08:51 PM (#653724) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: masato sakurai Try "Digitrad and Forum Search." CDs are HERE ~Masato |
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19 Feb 02 - 08:52 PM (#653725) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: GUEST,wdyat24 Annie, If you pick up a copy of Sing Out! Special 50th Anniversary Issue you will find the music and lyrics to The Patriot Game on page 44. wdyat24 |
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19 Feb 02 - 08:58 PM (#653729) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: hobbitwoman Thank you all! That was very quick! I will try all of the above. Annie |
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19 Feb 02 - 09:03 PM (#653731) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: GUEST Annie, Sorry for not giving you the complete specs, Vol 44 #4 Page 44. wdyat24 |
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19 Feb 02 - 09:22 PM (#653741) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: masato sakurai For concise backgound info on the song, CLICK HERE (BBC: History - Wars and Conflict), with sound clip by Dominic Behan(?). ~Masato |
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19 Feb 02 - 10:05 PM (#653750) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: hobbitwoman That's super, Masato. I bookmarked that one; I want to read more later. Thanks! Thanks for the volume number, wdyat24. That will narrow the search down some! Boy, this is the place to come when you want to learn something about music! Annie |
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19 Feb 02 - 10:08 PM (#653753) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: Clinton Hammond It's a damn good piece of film too... ;-) |
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19 Feb 02 - 10:34 PM (#653764) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: masato sakurai Note to this song (copyright 1962) in Dominic Behan's Ireland Sings: An Anthology of Irish Songs and Ballads (p. 152) says: "About the death of Feargal O'Hanlon, killed alongside Sean South, on a raid over the Irish border, January 1st, 1957." ~Masato |
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19 Feb 02 - 11:37 PM (#653777) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: GUEST I have an LP, 'Easter Week and After', Topic 12T44, where all the songs are sung by Dominic Behan. The last cut on side 2 is his own, "The Patriot Game". The anonymous note on the jacket reads: Feargal O'Hanlon, aged 17 from Ballybay Co. Monaghan, a draughtsman with Monaghan Co. Council, was killed in action during the Brookeborough Barracks attack also. The song is one of the best and certainly the hardest hitting to come out of Ireland since the Civil War. Words and music are by Dominic Behan. |
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19 Feb 02 - 11:53 PM (#653781) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: The Pooka Woops! ThreadDrift Alert! Re Sean South, killed alongside Feargal O'Hanlon ("The Patriot Game") in the raid of '57: there's a song "Sean South of Garryowen". Same melody as "Roddy McCorley" of earlier times. Nowhere near the quality or nuance of "The Patriot Game" of course; but hey.
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20 Feb 02 - 02:17 AM (#653824) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: GUEST,joanie baez The Patriots are Super Bowl champions baby! |
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20 Feb 02 - 03:59 AM (#653850) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: GUEST,troy brown No Patriot games until next season, folks, but it sure was a hell of a ride! Feels so good to be a World Champion! WE SHOCKED THE WORLD!! NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS BABY!!! WOO HOO! |
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20 Feb 02 - 06:49 AM (#653880) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: GUEST,greg stephens and the patriot game unleashed a mighty fight between dominic behan and bob dylan, who pinchedthe tune( and a lot of the sentiments or so said dominic b) for 'With God on our side". not that dominic behan actually wrote the tune, it is an old tune for the Nightingale (as i was a walking one morning in may,i spied a long couple so fondly did stray); now normally sung to the very famous tune collected from aubrey cantwell in standlake,oxfordshire.....sorry, i think i am rambling excessively goodbye |
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20 Feb 02 - 06:52 AM (#653881) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: GUEST,greg stephens sorry, that should have been a "young couple" not a "long couple". my typing is not up to much, as the schoolteachers among you never tire of pointing out. |
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20 Feb 02 - 07:29 AM (#653891) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: masato sakurai THE NIGHTINGALE in the DT, with MIDI. ~Masato |
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20 Feb 02 - 05:15 PM (#654219) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: The Pooka Guest greg stephens, thanks for that good info. You were certainly not rambling excessively, that's my job; you were rambling just right. D'ye do the Rambles of Spring? Ramblin' Gamblin' Wille? (Ramblin' Rose? nevermind) |
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20 Feb 02 - 08:57 PM (#654353) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: Susanne (skw) Notes on the song 'Sean South' on Dominic Behan's album 'Easter Week and After' [1965:] Sean South was killed in action while attacking Brookeborough R.U.C. Barracks on New Year's Night [1 Jan] 1957. He was a Limerick man and his death seemed to stir the people's imagination deeply. There are at least two other songs written in his memory. The tune of this one is 'The Banks of Yarrow'. (Paddy Tunney, notes Dominic Behan, 'Easter Week and After') And Big Tim informed Mudcatters on 12 April last year: "Sean South was born on 8th February 1928 in Henry Street in the City centre area of Limerick, not actually the Garryowen area, so a smidgeon of poetic licence there." |
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20 Feb 02 - 09:07 PM (#654357) Subject: Lyr Add: THE BATTLEFIELDS OF SPAIN From: Suffet To the same tune of "Roddy McCorley" and "Sean South" is this song from the Spanish Civil War. THE BATTLEFIELDS OF SPAIN For the James Connolly Column of the International Brigade Tune: "Roddy McCorley" (or "Sean South") Oh, workers dear, did you hear our comrades' call to arms? It echoed in the cities and it echoed on the farms, In shipyard and in factory, and upon the fields of grain, To defend our fellow workers on the battlefields of Spain. John Riley was a trade union man, our shop floor he did lead, He fought against the fascist thugs, he fought the bosses' greed, And now he leads the Connolly Column of the bold Fifteenth Brigade, And he's gone to fight the fascists on the battlefields of Spain. Who will call the meeting now and who will take the chair? And who will lead us out on strike when we demand our share? For Johnny, brave young Johnny, at home shall not remain, For he's gone to fight the fascists on the battlefields of Spain. If fascist bullets won't permit our Wild Geese to come home, Their tragic loss to Ireland we'll never cease to mourn, For they fought for the Connolly Column in the bold Fifteenth Brigade, And they died for the Spanish working class on the battlefields of Spain. Great song! --- Steve |
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20 Feb 02 - 09:21 PM (#654366) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: masato sakurai SEAN SOUTH is in the DT. ~Masato
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20 Feb 02 - 09:35 PM (#654372) Subject: Origins: Patriot Game From: catspaw49 Greg Stephens........This may interest you. Copied from another website, this is Liam Clancy speaking about the evolution of Dylan's "With God On Our Side:" "'The Patriot Game' was written by Dominic Behan, but it was originally a song from the Appalachian Mountains ('The Merry Month Of May'). Then it became a popular song, slightly adapted by a popular singer of the day named Jo Stafford who called it the - What was it called? 'The Bold Grenadier,' or something. And it was from that popular recording that Dominic Behan took the tune and he made it into 'The Patriot Game.' And of course we used to sing this with great passion at the folk clubs in the (Greenwich) Village. And among the patrons was a young singer/songwriter who came into town named Bob Dylan. And he transformed it, of course, into 'With God on Our Side.'" Actually Dominic Behan chided Dylan publicly for lifting Behan's melody until he was reminded that he himself had "borrowed" the tune. As for the phrase "God on our side," it might have come from Robert Southey ("The laws are with us and God's on our side") or from George Bernard Shaw's play Saint Joan." Spaw |
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21 Feb 02 - 12:19 AM (#654429) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: Janice in NJ The irony alone is to make me believe that Dominic Behan borrowed the tune from "Come All You Young Protestants," one of many songs set to the same air. For those who never head the song, hear is the first verse. Note the similarity of the first two lines to "The Patriot Game." Come all you young Protestants and list while I sing, The love of old Ulster is a wonderful thing, We'll fight to defend her, with tooth and with nail, And we will make certain the truth will prevail. |
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21 Feb 02 - 01:09 AM (#654444) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: The Pooka Fascinating. Hello Susanne, thankyou. Mr Spaw, that reminds me to get Clancy's new book; more good stuff maybe. Janice, whoo, great verse, never heard song, gotta get it. Copycat tune maybe NOT so ironic. Decommission *both* sides' teeth & nails and let a higher truth prevail. Suffet, remarkable. Dauntless Red Hue, eh :) |
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21 Feb 02 - 02:48 AM (#654471) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: greg stephens janice in nj: can you give us a source for that "bold protestants" song....are you sure it predates dominic behan? if t does i'm sure your suggestion that it inspired the patriot game must be rightg. the Nightingale/Bold Grenadier (same song )tune was around a long time before any Appalachian recording, bu i cant give chapter and verse forthat, i dont recall which book it was published in, but i'm sure it was 19century |
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21 Feb 02 - 03:09 AM (#654475) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: MartinRyan Suffet Haven't heard that Spanish Civil War song before. Looks like it was intended to go to the "Bantry Girl's lament" air, appropriately enough, rather than "Patriot game". Regards |
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21 Feb 02 - 04:02 AM (#654484) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: GUEST,Roger O'K The "God on our side" notion could also have come from the German army's belt buckle which, even in theologically unsound Uncle Adolf's time, bore the words "Gott mit uns". The German press incidentally nicknamed leading liberation theologian Ian Paisley "Gottes Feldwebel" (God's sergeant-major), which I suppose suggests that God should be pleased to have Paisley on his side. But I don't know if the notion of "God on our side" really traceable to a single source, as the same general idea has been knocking around for at least a couple of thousand years. |
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21 Feb 02 - 04:27 AM (#654494) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: Wolfgang I have never read 'Gottes Feldwebel' about Paisley, but I think it fits. Other Germans may dissent but my association when I read 'Feldwebel' now is: not very bright, but very loud. Wolfgang |
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21 Feb 02 - 09:47 AM (#654604) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: Suffet "Battlefields of Spain" is set to the tune of "Sean South" or "Roddy McCorley." I mentioned it in this thread because the discussion turned to the late Mr. South and the song named after him. --- Steve |
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21 Feb 02 - 09:59 AM (#654607) Subject: Lyr Add: THE BANTRY GIRL'S LAMENT From: GUEST,Martin Ryan Here's the Bantry Girl's Lament , for comparison: THE BANTRY GIRL'S LAMENT (2)
Who will plough the fields all day and who will thrash the corn?
The girls from the bawnogue in sorrow may retire
The boys will surely miss him when Moneymore comes round
At wakes and hurling matches your like we'll never see Regards
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21 Feb 02 - 10:16 AM (#654615) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: GUEST Janice, Once again we have to enlighten our US citizens, almost every recent loyalist song has been a copy-parody of rebel songs. Paddy Joe. |
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21 Feb 02 - 12:25 PM (#654718) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: Big Tim A number of points: Is the Bantry Girls Lament set in Bantry, North Wexford NOT Bantry, Cork? I think so, "the girls of the Bawnogue in sorrow may retire", Bawnogue (a townand?) is in Wexford. Is the song set during the Peninsula War? The Brookeborough raid was led by Sean Garland, not Sean South. Garland was wounded but escaped. He was again wounded in a republican feud in Dublin in 1975. This is in the public domain. Is he still alive? In many respects Sean South was a fine young man: a writer, artist, musician, orator. However he was also a McCarthyite bigot, railing aginst "Reds, atheists and Judaeo-Masonic controlled sources" in letters to his local newspaper in 1949, age 21. He was the product of the Ireland of his time, conservative, insular, ignorant(ish). I, born 20 years later and raised in rural Donegal, once had very similar views but lived long enough, and with the help of a decent general education, to outgrow them. The RUC sergeant who "spied them throught the door" was Kenneth Cordner. There is a monument to SS and FO'H at the spot where they died, though the barn where they were left is gone "blown up about 15 years ago" I was told in Brookeborough one Sunday morning. Is the Patriot Game ambivalent? "The love of one's country is a TERRIBLE thing", in some repub versions this is changed to "wonderful". However Dom Behan wrote so many other rebel songs that "terrible" has probably simply been misinterpreted. Any more biog info on Feargal O'Hanlon? All I know is that he was age 19, was reared, "weaned", on Pearse, and played senior football for Monaghan. There is another song about him, "Feargal O'Hanlon", first verse, Oh hark to the tale of young Feargal O'Hanlon, who died in Brookeborough to make Ireland free,for his heart he had pledged to the love of his country, and he took to the hills like a bold "rapparee" [outlaw].
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21 Feb 02 - 03:35 PM (#654814) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: MartinRyan Tim Yes to Wexford, as far as I know. Yes to Peninsular War. Maybe to "bawnoge" - but it was quite a general Irish word for a village green, really. Regards |
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21 Feb 02 - 04:54 PM (#654865) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: Suffet I heard "Battlefields of Spain" sung by three men in a pub -- the King's Head, I believe -- in Galway in 1987. I asked one of them to sing it again so I could write down the words. That's all I know about the song. I never heard it before or since. --- Steve |
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21 Feb 02 - 04:58 PM (#654867) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: MartinRyan Thanks Steve - I'll see what I can find out about its origins. Regards |
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21 Feb 02 - 05:48 PM (#654895) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: Bennet Zurofsky It should be noted that Dominic Behan was the brother of Brendan Behan, the great Irish playwright and raconteur ("The Borstal Boy" may be his best known work). I had the pleasure of hearing Dominic Behan perform many years ago, and he was no slouch of a raconteur himself. His Topic l.p. mentioned above is well worth acquiring (if you can). -Bennet |
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21 Feb 02 - 05:55 PM (#654901) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: greg stephens I had the pleasure of Dominic Behan threatening to punch me in the face while we were discussing rebel songs on licensed premises rather late one night. I'm sure he would have made a lively contribution to the present thread. |
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21 Feb 02 - 07:19 PM (#654947) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: Janice in NJ Greg, I first heard "Come All You Young Protestants" in Nova Scotia a long time ago. The only reference to it that I can find is on the BBC website. From there you can follow a link to a sound clip, but which has only two verses. http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/troubles/music/trad.shtml |
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22 Feb 02 - 02:23 AM (#655119) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: Big Tim Thanks Martin, re bawnogue, I didn't know that. I discovered the Bawnogue in Wexford when reading about Father Murphy of Boolavogue fame. Just before he was captured he spent some time hiding with relatives, The Murphy's of the Bawnogue, in north Wexford. |
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22 Feb 02 - 03:19 AM (#655129) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: Sourdough Greg Stephens and I seem to have had a common experience, being threatend to be punched in the face by Dominic Behan. In my case, it was not in a pub but in a theater. I was stage manager of a play called "The Connection" in New York. It was an underground hit and after it was discovered, for the next four years, almost every night it seems that there was at least one celebrity in the audience. On this particular night, Rosemary, who was house manager, was taking tickets at the door that led from the lobby into the theater. A burly man with a cigar sticking straight out from his mouth was trying to get past her. The NYPD is very clear about smoking in theaters and letting him pass with his cigar was out of the question. When he refused to put out his cigar, Rosemary rang the buzzer for me. This was the equivalent of a "Hey, Rube" and I was out there in a moment. Rosemary was tough but she was outclassed by the size of this man and his fast mouth. I got between him and the theater door before I recognized him. Although I had seen pictures of him, I think it was his voice that really gave him away. I had heard him being interviewed on the radio about his book, probably "Borstal Boy". Tonight, he was feeling pretty pugnacious but I am six two and a few years younger. He looked at me with some respect. He thought fir a moment about the various alternatives open to him and decided to comply with the NYPD fire regulations. He actually agreed to put out his cigar. Then he asked me, and I quote, "What should I do with this cigar?". There was an awkward pause before we both laughed. He handed me the cigar and walked in to take his seat and see the play. Sourdough |
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22 Feb 02 - 06:17 AM (#655172) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: greg stephens sourdough i think your memory is clouded. your description sounds like Brendan, not his brother Dominic . They both had noses which looked as if they'd been multiply broken, but Brendan was burlier and Dominic skinnier. both very pugnacious! make sure you let us all know how you get on in Ireland |
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22 Feb 02 - 01:05 PM (#655426) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: Sourdough Greg: You are absolutely right, it was Brendan Behan and not Dominic. I must have been working too late, last night. I should not be allowed near a keyboard more than fourteen hours a day. Sourdough (Thanks for the kindness of "clouded".) |
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05 Apr 02 - 05:23 AM (#683521) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: GUEST,Martin Ryan "The Battlefields of Spain" was written by Joe Mulherron of Belfast/Derry, using "Bantry Girl's Lament" as the model. He also included it in a set of balladsheets he produced many years ago - which had an interesting consequence. When he had finished screen-printing them on to 500 sheets of high quality paper ("A pound a sheet, damn it!", as he said)he realised he'd overlooked a typo in the spelling of "Connolly Column"! This explains why, during a run of Spanish Civil War songs at the recent Inishowen Singing Festival, Frank Harte was heard to call on Joe to "Give us the one about the Con-ON-olly Column!"! Regards |
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15 Jun 02 - 01:47 AM (#730393) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: Coyote Breath Hey sourdough! I once made a trip to NYC, back in 1960 I think, and one of the plays I saw was Gelber's "The Connection" I was stunned and amazed and truly moved as no other play had moved me and none since! I would like to digress from this thread to thank you and all those who contributed to that incredible evening! With deepest gratitude: CB |
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15 Jun 02 - 07:52 AM (#730442) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: Suffet Martin: Job well done in tracing the origins of "The Battlefields of Spain"! Thanks. --- Steve |
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06 Feb 03 - 12:17 PM (#884084) Subject: Patriot Game (Protestant answer) From: GUEST,Philippa the BBC site Janice in NJ mentioned is worth a look at. From that site here are the verses to the same air as The Patriot Game, which is also featured. I heard the Loyalist version in Belfast some years ago, so I think it was popular with that section of the community. Come all ye Young Protestants. Come all ye young Protestants and list while I sing For the love of old Ulster is a wonderful thing We'll fight to defend it with tooth and with nail And we will make certain that truth will prevail Around 1690 at a place called the Boyne Our forefathers gathered with William to join God's blessing was on them as they entered the fray And it's due to those heroes we're freemen today |
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08 Feb 03 - 11:17 AM (#885511) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: belfast About the "The Battlefields of Spain" quoted above. I've started another thread about this song. ( click here for "The Civil War in Spain" |
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30 Jul 03 - 06:54 PM (#993775) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: GUEST Somehow the "bawnoge" link in Bantry Girls' Lament wound up here. So this comment is about that song. In the first two verses the term "patriarch" appears; in the context of the song and the tradition of Irishmen fighting overseas, it makes sense to me that the term should be "patriot," not patriarch. R. Singer Seattle |
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31 Jul 03 - 05:05 AM (#994027) Subject: RE: Patriot Game From: MartinRyan Agreed. Despite that, "patriarch" is often sung! Regards |
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05 Jan 06 - 11:48 PM (#1642618) Subject: RE: Origins: Patriot Game From: GUEST,bob af Regarding the Patriot Game/With God On Our Side song, Dominic Behan wrote the following to me in a January 31, 1976 letter from Happendon,Douglas in Lanark, Scotland: "Thank you for the interest you are showing in my song, `The Patriot Game'. Some years ago I tried to get Dylan to settle the matter as one artist to another. I rang him at an hotel in London where he had been living then. Dylan's reaction was that I didn't have the resources to take any legal action against him, and he therefore replied, `Get lost, bum! The songs I write make other people's attempts at art good.' "Mr. Dylan was, of course, correct in his view of my financial state. I couldn't take him to court, and, my publishers in America, `The Richmond Organisation', think the whole matter too costly and not worth the candle. "I wrote the song (words and music) on the 1st January, 1957, after Feargal O'Hanlon had been shot dead the night previously. "Thanks very much for your interest, though, when dealing with folk as ruthless as Mr. Dylan, I doubt if you and the other honest people around can do a lot of good. "Thanks anyway and best wishes, "Dominic Behan." |
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20 Apr 08 - 06:46 AM (#2320578) Subject: RE: Origins: Patriot Game From: ard mhacha Big Tim in a previous Thread inquired as to the meaning of `when Moneymore come round, and they will weep that their bold captain is nowhere to be found` in the song, `The Bantry girls lament`. The term Moneymore could apply to a pattern or a fair, and the faction fights which took place at some fairs, mostly in the province of Munster, the captain was the term used to describe the leaders of the factions. I have also seen Moneymore spelt as mon-na -hoor. Delia Murphy was the first person I heard sing `The Bantry girls lament` |
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20 Apr 08 - 09:35 AM (#2320634) Subject: RE: Origins: Patriot Game From: Jim McLean This topic has been covered in another thread where I related the discussion between myself and Dylan regarding Dominic's song. You only have to compare the lyrics of God on our Side to The Patriot Game to see that Dylan not only got the tune from Dominic's song (irrespective of whether it was traditional or not) but aped the words. |
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20 Apr 08 - 11:33 AM (#2320699) Subject: RE: Origins: Patriot Game From: dick greenhaus Jim- "Dylan not only got the tune from Dominic's song (irrespective of whether it was traditional or not) "..hard to claim that someone swiped a tune that's been traditional for many, many years. Even if Behan claimed it. BTW, check out "Liam's Patriot Game" in Digitrad. |
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20 Apr 08 - 12:20 PM (#2320725) Subject: RE: Origins: Patriot Game From: meself 'check out "Liam's Patriot Game"' - Seems rather mean-spirited - or am I misinterpreting it? |
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20 Apr 08 - 05:55 PM (#2320985) Subject: RE: Origins: Patriot Game From: GUEST,Joe (Waverley Station) Casey Jim, Same Jim I met at Waverley Station on Friday evening ? Next time I'll buy you pint, and we can sing the whole of 'Seven Deadly Sins' ! Cheers Joe. |
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20 Apr 08 - 06:02 PM (#2320992) Subject: RE: Origins: Patriot Game From: Jim McLean Dick, what I meant was that if you compare Dylan's verse ' Oh my name it means nothing, my age it means less' to Dominic's ' My name is O'Hanlon, my age is sixteen' etcetera (and excuse my not remembering the words exactly) it is obvious he was writing his song with Dominic's in mind. He asked me about the Patriot Game when he heard Nigel Denver singing it in the Troubadour way back and I explained what Dominic had in mind. So I'm not saying he swiped the tune, just that he used Dominic's song as a vehicle upon to which to fashion his own. I'm only stating the obvious. |
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20 Apr 08 - 06:27 PM (#2321022) Subject: RE: Origins: Patriot Game From: GUEST,Greycap As a side issue, I had the privilege of being Dominic Behan's house guest for a week, together with my pal, the late Dave Brady, back in 1962 when we we both aspiring singers in London. We had been sleeping in Dave's car in Hyde Park due to financial caution (spend less on sleeping comfort, more on beer). This kind and talented man met us at the Singer's Club, apparently thought we had some kinda potential, offered us house room for the week, great hospitality, and introduced us to some fine singers, Nigel Denver, Ramblin' Jack Elliot, Martin Carthy, etc. I understood him to be the author of 'Patriot Game', not Brendan. He taught us both great songs, as did Nigel Denver, which I still sing today. Where is Nigel, anyone know? He was a very nice man, a kind man to two aspiring singers, I can say no more, I miss him. Roger Knowles |
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21 Apr 08 - 04:58 AM (#2321286) Subject: RE: Origins: Patriot Game From: Jim McLean Hi Roger, Nigel lives in Birmingham where he still does the odd gig. I shall be seeing him in early May as we usually travel to a beer festival in Germany every year, for a few days. I'll give him your regards. |
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21 Apr 08 - 06:06 AM (#2321326) Subject: RE: Origins: Patriot Game From: Thompson When was the Young Protestants version written or sung? Was it a copy of Behan's song or vice versa? |
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21 Apr 08 - 04:39 PM (#2321900) Subject: RE: Origins: Patriot Game From: GUEST,Greycap Jim, Thanks, Roger |
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20 May 17 - 03:23 AM (#3856010) Subject: Origins: Patriot Game From: Joe Offer Patriot Game, TheDESCRIPTION: "Come all you young rebels and list' while I sing, For the love of one's land is a terrible thing." 16-year-old O'Hanlon wanted to fight England and "free" Ulster. Now he lies with his body "all holes." He wishes he had accomplished moreAUTHOR: Dominic Behan EARLIEST DATE: 1962 (copyright) KEYWORDS: Ireland IRA political death war FOUND IN: Ireland REFERENCES (2 citations): Behan-IrelandSings, #68, "The Patriot Game" (1 text, 1 tune) DT, PATGAME1* Roud #18464 SAME TUNE: With God On Our Side (by Bob Dylan, and available in many pop songbooks) NOTES [47 words]: Behan reports that this was inspired by the death of one Feargal O'Hanlon in 1957. It has been preserved mostly by pop folk singers (who seem to have adapted the message with regularity), but there are a handful of semi-traditional collections, so perhaps it belongs in the Index. - RBW Last updated in version 5.1 File: Beha068 Go to the Ballad Search form Go to the Ballad Index Instructions The Ballad Index Copyright 2021 by Robert B. Waltz and David G. Engle. Digital Tradition lyrics:
Tune: One Morning In May, or God on Our Side Copyright Clifford Music Co., Ltd. @Irish @rebel recorded by Owen McBride and by Judy Collins see also PATGAME2 filename[ PATGAME1 TUNE FILE: PATGAME CLICK TO PLAY RG |
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21 Mar 21 - 11:10 PM (#4098708) Subject: DT Correction: Patriot Game From: Joe Offer I attempted a side-by-side comparison with the DT lyrics above, but the version from Behan himself has significant differences that can't be compared side-by side, so I was unhappy with the results. These are the lyrics from Dominic Behan's book, Ireland Sings, published in 1973 by Music Sales Corporation, New York (Song #68) PATRIOT GAME (Dominic Behan) Come all you young rebels, and list while I sing, For love of one's land is a terrible thing. It banishes fear with the speed of a flame, And makes us all part of the Patriot Game. My name is O'Hanlon, and I'm just gone sixteen. My home is in Monaghan, there I was weaned I learned all my life cruel England to blame, And so I'm a part of the patriot game. It's barely a year since I wandered away With the local battalion of the bold I.R.A., I read of our heroes and wanted the same To play up my part in the Patriot Game. They told me how Connolly was shot in His wounds from the fighting all His fine body twisted, all battered and lame They soon made me part of the patriot game. This Ireland of mine has forlong been half free. Six Counties are under John Bull's Monarchy. But still De Valera is greatly to blame For shirking his part in the Patriot Game. I don't mind a bit if I shoot down police They are lackeys for war never guardians of peace, But at deserters I'm never let aim The rebels who sold out the Patriot Game. And now as I lie here, my body all holes I think of those traitors who bargained and sold I'm sorry my rifle has not done the same For those Quislings who sold out the Patriot Game.
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08 Jun 21 - 04:59 AM (#4109309) Subject: RE: Origins: Patriot Game From: GUEST,Billy in TO Canada Janice from NJ my da you to sing Come all you young Protestants and I wanted him to write me out the lyrics but he passed in Dec. Do you know the other verses can you reach out to me at tatsgilmore@hotmail.com |
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08 Jun 21 - 05:39 AM (#4109311) Subject: RE: Origins: Patriot Game From: GUEST Re: Note from Joe Offer: I would suggest you are not the arrogant one Joe. Whilst everyone is entitled to their opinion and I wouldn't tell them to f**k off I would stick my fingers in my ears and go 'la la la' until they had finished. Mile |
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08 Jun 21 - 05:42 AM (#4109313) Subject: RE: Origins: Patriot Game From: Michael Oops, the above was me, sans cookie. Mike |
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08 Jun 21 - 06:57 AM (#4109315) Subject: RE: Origins: Patriot Game From: clueless don I was just browsing this thread, and I'm puzzled by the assertion that the tune for The Patriot Game is the same as the tune for One Morning in May. The tune I know for One Morning in May is nothing like the tune I know for Patriot Game. On the other hand, maybe I need to get out more! |
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09 Jun 21 - 03:34 PM (#4109495) Subject: RE: Origins: Patriot Game From: Anglo I was interested to see the reference to One Morning in May, The Bold Grenadier, or The Nightingale, sung by Jo Stafford. Her recording (titled The Nightingale) is on YouTube - Here.. This was issued in 1948, well before Patriot Game. |
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09 Jun 21 - 07:19 PM (#4109535) Subject: RE: Origins: Patriot Game From: Charmion The tune of "The Nightingale" (One Morning in May) shares its opening phrase with "The Patriot Game", and there the similarity ends. And Joe, there hasn't been a time in my whole life, now a fairly long stretch, when Irish rebel songs were not either a bit controversial or very controversial indeed. If the DT were limited to the songs that everyone agreed were *nice*, it would not be worth much. |
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10 Jun 21 - 03:41 AM (#4109554) Subject: RE: Origins: Patriot Game From: GUEST,JTT The verse "I don't mind a bit if I shoot down police" refers to a force that at the time was sectarian, and had many members in loyalist paramilitary groups. |
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12 Feb 25 - 08:42 AM (#4217104) Subject: RE: Origins: Patriot Game From: GUEST Dear folks the song that Dominic Behan wrote called The Patriot Game was to the same tune that was called The Nightingale. First written in the 19th century which was famously recorded by Jo Stafford in 1948. It is believed that The Patriot Game was written in 1957 about a fiigh that was going in Ireland but i don't know any thing else. In 1963 Bob Dylan wrote With God On Our Side. I believe more folks sing Dylan's words more. Thanks very much for all your responses of this song and where it all began from Joe. |
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13 Feb 25 - 10:37 AM (#4217135) Subject: RE: Origins: Patriot Game From: meself 'The tune of "The Nightingale" (One Morning in May) shares its opening phrase with "The Patriot Game", and there the similarity ends.' I find that a bewildering assertion: just listening now to the Jo Stafford recording, I find only, possibly, the smallest variations from the melody of The Patriot Game that I'm familiar with ... ? |