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In praise of Martin Carthy

20 Feb 02 - 07:11 PM (#654297)
Subject: In praise of Martin Carthy
From: GUEST

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20 Feb 02 - 10:06 PM (#654384)
Subject: RE: In praise of Martin Carthy
From: John P

"The Source"


21 Feb 02 - 04:09 AM (#654487)
Subject: RE: In praise of Martin Carthy
From: Wolfgang

Old threads in praise of Martin Carthy (with the odd dissenter):

Martin Carthy
Martin Carthy

Wolfgang


21 Feb 02 - 02:19 PM (#654779)
Subject: RE: In praise of Martin Carthy
From: Nemesis

See Martin Carthy tonight Thursday at the Royal Oak, Lewes, Sussex for only three quid!!


21 Feb 02 - 02:55 PM (#654794)
Subject: RE: In praise of Martin Carthy
From: GUEST,dermod in salisbury

I remember when you could listen to Martin Carthy all night for the price of lemon tea in the Loft coffee bar in Hampsead. A class act even then, and great guy. In reading through the old thread links, his seminal influence is obviously appreciated. Sad though, poor old Burl Ives never seems to get a mention in the father figure stakes. But there you are - a mention!


21 Feb 02 - 06:06 PM (#654918)
Subject: RE: In praise of Martin Carthy
From: Mr Red

I lived with a lass who didn't like Martin Carthy - GOD! those ten years seem like another life now. UK catters who want to praise Martin might like to add their voice to the BBC website message board on Desert Island Disks.


22 Feb 02 - 04:28 AM (#655146)
Subject: RE: In praise of Martin Carthy
From: Dave Bryant

Good Lord, someone else who can remember "The Loft" in Hampstead - Spag Bol for about two shillings - unless you were performing in which case you got it free. Brings back memories of the early "Enterprise" days with "The Riversiders", then "The North West Three" and of course Terry Gould.


22 Feb 02 - 07:12 AM (#655193)
Subject: RE: In praise of Martin Carthy
From: MikeofNorthumbria

Hell yeah! The Loft, in Primrose Gardens, just off the Finchley Road was a wonderful place. I had a regular Friday night gig there for a few weeks in 1964, and although the pay wasn't too generous (fifteen shillings, a plate of spag boll, and as many cups of tea or coffee as you could drink) the company was always great.

In those far-off days, the young Carthy was already recognised as a phenomenal singer and guitarist - but hasn't he come a long way since then? An amazing musician, a great entertainer, and an all round good chap. But what I'd particularly stress (for anyone who hasn't already noticed it) is his massive artistic integrity.

At several points in his career, Martin established a repertoire and a performing style which gained the respect and admiration of a substantial audience. Each time, he could have kept his public happy and himself gainfully employed more or less indefinitely by staying put. But he kept on looking for new challenges, re-thinking or discarding material that no longer satisfied him, and rebuilding his style and technique from the ground up whenever this seemed desirable.

Like many of his admirers, I found a few of his experiments uncongenial(though they were always thought-provoking.) But even when these experiments turned some former supporters against him entirely, he didn't rage or sulk, he just kept doing what he felt he had to do until they caught up with him again. Which mostly they did. All too few artists, in any genre, have that kind of honesty, and that much courage. So well done Martin - keep on surprising us!

Wassail!


12 Oct 02 - 01:28 AM (#801567)
Subject: RE: In praise of Martin Carthy
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull

refresh, there is a good mini biography on the bbc 2 website.


12 Oct 02 - 03:47 AM (#801596)
Subject: RE: In praise of Martin Carthy
From: GUEST,Boab

Aye---a brilliant guitarist, and accomplished performer; but if Martin's opening offering was a dirge[ and he knows a thousand--], I adjourned to the nearest bar till the local floor singers came round again!


12 Oct 02 - 03:49 AM (#801597)
Subject: RE: In praise of Martin Carthy
From: pavane

Back in 1971 I came across, and sadly didn't buy, a deleted LP by a group called '3 city 4' which it said included Martin Carty and Leon Rosselson. Does anyone remember them? Who else was with them?


12 Oct 02 - 04:41 AM (#801607)
Subject: RE: In praise of Martin Carthy
From: GUEST,Wee Tam

Martin Carthy and Jimmie MacGregor both have MBEs, members of the British Empire. Astonishing or what?
Wee Tam.


12 Oct 02 - 07:41 AM (#801655)
Subject: RE: In praise of Martin Carthy
From: Harry Basnett

Martin is appearing at the Open Door, Extravaganza 3 at the Bull's Head, Oldham Road, Failsworth, Manchester on Sunday, October 20th. See 'Manchester, Extravaganza 3' thread for details!


12 Oct 02 - 07:50 AM (#801662)
Subject: RE: In praise of Martin Carthy
From: John Routledge

An ideal opportunity to give a 2002 appraisal of the man's talent :0)


12 Oct 02 - 01:12 PM (#801797)
Subject: RE: In praise of Martin Carthy
From: okthen

Colchester folk club, Monday 14th oct, Carthy & (hopefully) Swarbrick, what mountains have these two moved without really trying.


25 Oct 20 - 03:00 AM (#4076734)
Subject: RE: In praise of Martin Carthy
From: Lost Chicken in High Weeds

This was the best general Martin Carthy thread (not closed) I could find, and try to utilize existing threads when I just have a comment.

So, I spent most of the day discovering/exploring Ewan MacColl, and assumed I'd be continuing that for a few days straight...and then, on a random lark...I listened to Essential Martin Carthy...dangamighty!

I hate to make "bold statements" under the influence of initial discovery "excitement", but this fellow is, well, inexpressibly awesome at the very least.

I also ran up on this *excellent* interview:

https://www.innerviews.org/inner/martin-carthy.html

I very much love the following quote:
"I’m working with some of the best songwriters that have ever lived and they’re all called “Anon.” I think traditional songs represent some of the finest songs ever written by anybody. And most of them aren’t written by a single person."

Pound for pound I think Martin might just be my favorite discovery since Bob Dylan.


25 Oct 20 - 03:02 AM (#4076735)
Subject: RE: In praise of Martin Carthy
From: Lost Chicken in High Weeds

Oh, after that last statement I should add that my absolute favorite discovery ever was the Anthology of American Folk Music.


25 Oct 20 - 04:06 AM (#4076738)
Subject: RE: In praise of Martin Carthy
From: r.padgett

Martin is one of the pioneers of arranging songs, largely traditional with guitar accompaniment ~ his research and practical musical ability have an inspiration to countless folk musicians

I would simply say do the research and sing the songs after finding Martin's traditional singers ~ he isn't the "source" singer ~ so do your own thing and acknowledge his work, then say who the source singer was originally

Ray


25 Oct 20 - 04:30 AM (#4076740)
Subject: RE: In praise of Martin Carthy
From: Gordon Jackson

I agree, Ray. I admire and enjoy Carthy immensely, but if I do a song that he has previously done, I will see an original source (book or recording) and work out my own arrangement. There are so many performers and bands out there whose versions of songs are based on others’ adaptations, and not on traditional sources.


25 Oct 20 - 04:45 AM (#4076741)
Subject: RE: In praise of Martin Carthy
From: GUEST

Lost Chicken in High Weeds. Cool that you're making these discoveries. Have you checked out the music of Nic Jones? If you appreciate Martin Carthy, you'll probably enjoy Nic's work too.


25 Oct 20 - 10:17 AM (#4076758)
Subject: RE: In praise of Martin Carthy
From: keberoxu

It's ghastly to think of losing him ...


25 Oct 20 - 12:12 PM (#4076765)
Subject: RE: In praise of Martin Carthy
From: Joe G

Ah shame you hadn't posted this yesterday - Martin and his daughter Eliza did a live set from Whitby Brewery for this year's Musicport online festival - sadly it may not be available after the event

Tonight's transmission includes Katie Spencer and the Hut People along with other artists, archive footage, chat and DJ sets


25 Oct 20 - 12:40 PM (#4076771)
Subject: RE: In praise of Martin Carthy
From: Lost Chicken in High Weeds

Well dang, why would they not make the performance available on YouTube or such afterwards? I went hunting to see if it had turned up anywhere, YT or FB, and no such luck, but did run up on quite a nice discovery of a random "unknown" fellow that I really dig, so I'm quite glad for your comment regardless:

https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=168788&messages


26 Oct 20 - 11:09 AM (#4076911)
Subject: RE: In praise of Martin Carthy
From: Joe G

I'll let you know if the video is released in future :-)