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11 Mar 02 - 11:01 PM (#667447) Subject: Xinjiang Uygur Auto. Reg., Urumqi From: Haruo I am in receipt of email recruiting me to come to Urumqi, the capital of the Xinjiang (Sinkiang, for those as old as I) Uygur (Uighur) Autonomous Region, the far northwestern, predominantly Islamic part of China, to teach English and Esperanto. I am seriously interested in trying it out. Any Mudcatters in Xinjiang? Any who've been there? The only mention I've found in the Forum via search was in this Song Challenge from a year and a half ago, and it has more to do with Dr. Doolittle and General Silliness than with real life Uygurdom. I found some pretty nice RealAudio clips on the Uygur aka East Turkestan Nationalists' website, www.uygur.com. Seems to me as an English-and-Esperanto-speaking American it might be very very interesting to live for a year in such a place; my Baptist Christian identity might introduce further complications. Anybody got anything to contribute to my ruminations? Feel free to pray for me, too (and yes, that includes you Wiccans ;-). I may need all the help I can get. Here's the email that triggered my serious thinking along these lines (English translation follows here if my link works: De: Solis> English translation (back up): From: SolisI wonder if you can get Mudcat in Urumqi... Liland |
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11 Mar 02 - 11:26 PM (#667463) Subject: RE: Help: Xinjiang Uygur Auto. Reg., Urumqi From: Haruo Pretty nifty the way that link worked, eh?good for those who get nauseous when faced with non-English texts. Liland |
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11 Mar 02 - 11:53 PM (#667475) Subject: RE: Help: Xinjiang Uygur Auto. Reg., Urumqi From: Amos Triple cool!! If you're relatively free of close attachments I would try it, if I were you. Of course, I don't speak Esperanto. But if I DID... But I imagine you need to be prepared to face a year offline. Internet access in China is growing but it is still at 1990 standards. And Muslims sometimes take anti-technology positions, as well. But a grand adventure nevertheless!! And you might be surprised. A |
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12 Mar 02 - 01:58 AM (#667500) Subject: RE: Help: Xinjiang Uygur Auto. Reg., Urumqi From: Lepus Rex I've never been there, but here's my opinions on Eastern Turkestan ("Xinjiang"), anyways. (Which I almost NEVER get to share!) :) First, a little background that you didn't mention (but I'm sure you are aware of): Xinjiang, the Chinese name for Eastern Turkestan, was annexed by the Qing Dynasty back in 17-something AD. The natives of this region were predominantly speakers of Turkic languages (with Mongol, Manchu, Han, and Tibetan minorities... I'm probably forgetting some. Ah, well.), and are largely Muslim. Most of the sedentary Turkic peoples in Xinjiang now go by the ethnonym "Uighur/Uyghur," borrowed from the old Uighurs who settled in the area... uh, way back when. (Gimme a break, my books are all at home, so I'm doing this from memory.) Fast forward to the 20th century. The Uighurs, who had been revolting against the Chinese invasion since... the invasion, broke away from China twice, once in the 30s, once in the 40s. And were re-annexed twice. Once the Commies were in firm control, things got even worse for the Uighurs (and pretty much every other non-Han ethnic group in the PRC) as they were marginalised in every possible way by the fast-growing foreign Han minority... Blah, blah, blah. Personally, I wouldn't go to Chinese-occupied Eastern Turkestan today. (Or to Tibet. Or to Inner Mongolia.) I might consider going there to fight against the Chinese occupation, or to visit if Eastern Turkestan gained its independence. Otherwise, spending my money there would make me no better than the parasitic PRC government, or the Han migrants they are shipping there to destroy the native cultures and make "Xinjiang" just another carbon-copy Chinese province. (Han Chinese made up about 10% of the population in "Xinjiang" in 1950. Now they make up something like 40%) Much like apartheid-era blacks in South Africa, Uighurs (and other native peoples) in "Xinjiang" are poor, underemployed, and undereducated. (Hey, but at least they're leading the Han in early mortality!) Practicing their religion gets them labelled as 'seperatists.' Getting 'uppity' gets you thrown in prison, and possibly tortured and killed. (See: Rebiya Kadeer)They see almost none of the wealth generated by the vast mineral, gas, and oil deposits of their homeland (the environment of which is being destroyed by the careless exploitation of these resources.). So, I guess it's up to you. If you want to take dirty PRC money, printed with Uighur blood, go right ahead. ;) On the other hand, the trad. music there is wonderful. (If your handlers will let you see anything other than the typical 'folkloric' ensembles singing songs about Chairman Mao, that is.) If you haven't heard it before, say the word and I can hook you up with some. :) So, bedtime. I bet this entry will look even worse when I'm not half-asleep... ---Lepus Rex
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12 Mar 02 - 04:31 AM (#667512) Subject: RE: Help: Xinjiang Uygur Auto. Reg., Urumqi From: katlaughing Congratulations on receiving the offer, Liland. I would do a lot of research, as it seems you are doing, before taking of to do this. We had a member named "seth" who, along with his spouse, spends a year or two at a time in China, teaching. Here is a link to a posting of his, in an older thread: click here. If I remember correctly, they are back over there now, after a year back home in the States. If you do a search on his user name, you could go through all of his postings for some first hand experience recounted in a delightful and informative way. Keep us posted, please? kat |
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12 Mar 02 - 05:14 AM (#667528) Subject: RE: Help: Xinjiang Uygur Auto. Reg., Urumqi From: Wilfried Schaum Hi Liland,
in my former department a lot of Uyghur studies were done, but since the head Uygurist left the studies were abandoned. Wilfried |
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12 Mar 02 - 03:26 PM (#667797) Subject: RE: Help: Xinjiang Uygur Auto. Reg., Urumqi From: rangeroger Mudcatter Seth was in China, but he hasn't posted since Feb. of last year, so I am unsure of his whereabouts now. rr |
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12 Mar 02 - 06:51 PM (#667920) Subject: RE: Help: Xinjiang Uygur Auto. Reg., Urumqi From: Lepus Rex Hi, again. :) Awake now, and back with more depressing info about Eastern Turkestan! >:) And I can't believe that I forgot to mention this last night: For decades, the Chinese used Lop Nor in Eastern Turkestan as a nuclear testing site. I'll try to add some info below... This is a short article I ripped off from Amnesty International's 2001 report on China: "Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region (XUAR) Executions of Uighur political prisoners labelled as ''separatists'' or ''terrorists'' by the authorities continued. Most were passed after secret or summary trials where convictions were based on confessions extracted under torture. The XUAR was the only region of China where political prisoners were known to have been executed in recent years. The pattern of gross human rights violations reported from the XUAR included prolonged arbitrary incommunicado detention, torture and ill-treatment and unfair trials. The targets of abuses were mainly Uighurs, the majority ethnic group among the predominantly Muslim local population. There was an increase in religious persecution by the authorities. Islamic groups and prominent individuals in the Muslim community were subjected to repressive and often brutal measures. Thousands remained imprisoned. Rebiya Kadeer, a Uighur businesswoman and mother of 10, was sentenced to eight years' imprisonment after a secret trial in March. She was charged with ''providing secret information across the border'' for sending copies of publicly available newspapers to her husband, a former political prisoner living abroad. Rebiya Kadeer, a prominent campaigner promoting Uighur women's rights, had been detained in August 1999 in Urumqi, capital of the XUAR, while on her way to meet a visitor from the US Congressional Research Service. Her appeal against her sentence was rejected in November by the XUAR High People's Court, following which she was transferred to the Baijiahu prison in Urumqi. She was reported to be in poor health." And here's a link to a bunch more (links to) articles about "Xinjiang" at Amnesty.org: *cleeck* Here's an article stolen from Human Rights Watch (Please don't sue me :D): "Xinjiang after September 11 In the wake of the September 11 attacks on the United States, the People's Republic of China has offered strong support for Washington and affirmed that it "opposes terrorism of any form and supports actions to combat terrorism." Human Rights Watch is concerned that China's support for the war against terrorism will be a pretext for gaining international support-or at least silence-for its own crackdown on ethnic Uighurs in the Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region. Beijing has long claimed to be confronted with "religious extremist forces" and "violent terrorists" in Xinjiang, a vast region one-sixth of China's land area. Xinjiang has a population of 18 million and is home to numerous Turkic-speaking Muslim ethnic groups, of which the Uighurs, numbering eight million, are the largest. (The second largest group is the Kazakhs, with 1.2 million.) The percentage of ethnic Chinese (Han) in the population has grown from 6 percent in 1949 to 40 percent at present, and now numbers some 7.5 million people. Much like Tibetans, the Uighurs in Xinjiang, have struggled for cultural survival in the face of a government-supported influx by Chinese migrants, as well as harsh repression of political dissent and any expression, however lawful or peaceful, of their distinct identity. Some have also resorted to violence in a struggle for independence Chinese authorities have not discriminated between peaceful and violent dissent, however, and their fight against "separatism" and "religious extremism" has been used to justify widespread and systematic human rights violations against Uighurs, including many involved in non-violent political, religious, and cultural activities. At every meeting of the Shanghai Five, an informal association of China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Russia, set up in 1996 at China's initiative, China has emphasized the need to prevent cross-border "activities undermining national sovereignty." It was clearly worried about Uighurs gaining support from fellow Muslims in Central Asia. One focus of the Shanghai Five was cooperation to counter Islamic radicalism in the region. Uzbekistan, a major Central Asian power, joined the group in June 2001, which was then renamed the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. At the same time, the group announced the establishment of an anti-terrorist center to be set up in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan. Since 1996 Beijing has received ample assurances from fellow members of the Shanghai Five that organizations representing Uighur opposition groups will not be allowed to operate from Central Asia. The governments of Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan, under severe pressure from China, dissolved Uighur political parties, closed newspapers, and arrested militants, particularly after serious riots in Yining, Xinjiang, in 1997. In 1999 Kazakhstan repatriated three Uighur refugees at China's request. The Independence Groups There has long been strong Uighur opposition to Chinese rule in Xinjiang. Effective control of the region by the central government was not achieved until the creation of the People's Republic of China in 1949. Prior to this, from 1944 to 1949, a short-lived independent East Turkestan Republic, backed by the Soviet Union and inspired by pan-Turkic ideology, was established in western Xinjiang. Today, the Uighur opposition-in-exile is based in Turkey, Germany and the United States, and remains overwhelmingly pan-Turkic. The East Turkestan National Congress, based in Munich, Germany, which is a federation of most of the Turkish and European Uighur associations, has consistently advocated peaceful means to achieve a "real autonomy" or "independence" for the country they still call East Turkestan. Likewise, Uighur organizations in Central Asia, like the Kazakhstan Regional Uighur Organisation in Almaty or Kyrgyzstan Uighur Unity in Bishkek are of secular and democratic aspirations. In Xinjiang itself, no unified movement has surfaced, although even if the groups themselves had the will to join forces, Chinese restrictions on basic freedoms in Xinjiang would make it all but impossible to do so. Opposition groups tend to gravitate around two geographic poles: Yining and the Yili valley, in the western part of Xinjiang close to the Kazakhstan border; and Kashgar and Hetian, in southern Xinjiang. According to the little information available, pan-Turkic movements like the East Turkestan Party (Tengri Tag), and the Uighur Liberation Organization are the most structured organizations, and are chiefly rooted in urban areas like Yining, Urumqi, Korla, and Kucha. More religiously-oriented groups are present in the southern part of Xinjiang, notably in the Kashgar and Hetian areas. Groups like "Party of Allah" or "Islamic Uighur Party" keep appearing and disappearing, but seem loosely connected and small in membership. They advocate the establishment of an Islamic state in Xinjiang and reject Chinese domination, but none of those groups has claimed to be part of a pan-Islamic network, and there is no evidence that they are inspired by the strict form of Islam that characterizes the Taliban. Whether secular or religious, the pro-independence groups in Xinjiang are overwhelmingly ethno-nationalist movements, that is, articulated along ethnic lines, not religious ones. There is no significant cooperation among Xinjiang's different Muslim ethnic groups of Kazakhs, Mongols, Tajiks, and Uighurs. Chinese Government Claims After September 11, 2001, the Chinese government charged that Uighur groups had links with the Taliban in Afghanistan, but it has long claimed that they were supported from abroad by radical Islamist organizations. In 1998, for instance, local authorities announced that they had smashed twenty "terrorist bases" in southern Xinjiang. Among those arrested were some men allegedly coming back from "Afghanistan and Pakistan," according to the September 2, 1998 edition of the South China Morning Post. China has used these claims to justify ruthless repression in Xinjiang against religious activities, personnel and individual believers in what are known as "campaigns to rectify social order." On October 10, 2001, for instance, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Sun Yuxi's declaration that China hoped that "efforts to fight against East Turkestan terrorist forces should become a part of the international efforts and should also win support and understanding" must be seen in this light. Some Uighurs from China have been seen in Islamic "guesthouses" in Islamabad, Pakistan. These guesthouses were originally set up as hostels for pilgrims to Mecca but became more commonly used as dormitories for students attending religious schools (madrassas). Some Uighurs who initially came to study in these madrassas may have later been recruited to join the jihad in Afghanistan, and certainly individual Uighurs have been seen within the ranks of Taliban forces. No evidence has emerged, however, that Uighur separatist organizations writ large are supported by external Islamist networks or that Islam serves as a motivating force for the separatist movement in Xinjiang.
There are several difficulties with Beijing's claims that it is facing "international terrorism" in Xinjiang: · Allegations that the Taliban have provided help to Uighur separatist groups in Xinjiang are unsubstantiated. · The short Sino-Afghan border at the edge of the mountain pass known as the Wakhan corridor is controlled by the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance; there is no contact there with Taliban forces. · The Uighurs are ethnically akin to the Uzbeks, and have more affinity with the ethnic Uzbeks in Afghanistan than with the Pashtuns who dominate the Taliban. · Pakistan has been too concerned with safeguarding its relations with China (a provider of crucial military and nuclear support) to ignore separatist Uighur activities on its soil; in the past it has repatriated Uighur students, closed Uighur guesthouses in Islamabad, and generally abstained from recruiting Uighurs to fight by proxy in Kashmir or Afghanistan. · Interviews conducted with Uighurs enrolled in the Taliban forces and captured by the Northern Alliance (published in Le Monde on September 30, 2001) indicated that they came on an individual basis to participate in the pro-Taliban jihad after a stay in Pakistan's Islamic schools. There was no suggestion that they sought to establish international networks. |
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13 Mar 02 - 01:21 AM (#668109) Subject: RE: Help: Xinjiang Uygur Auto. Reg., Urumqi From: Haruo I appreciate it, all of you. I'm sure you'll be hearing more from me on this as I sift through the info. Liland |