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01 Apr 02 - 08:44 PM (#681113) Subject: And the Band played Waltzing Matilda From: Irish sergeant Any one know if the lyrics and chords to Eric Bogle's "And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda" are in the digitrad. I didn't see them but I may have suffered cranial flatulence and missed them. Also, can any of our Aussie catters tell me, was "Waltzing Matilda" around in World War One? I was under the impression that it was a bit more recent than that. Kindest regards, Neil |
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01 Apr 02 - 09:00 PM (#681125) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: masato sakurai The lyrics are HERE in the DT. ~Masato
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01 Apr 02 - 09:07 PM (#681131) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Mark Ross The poem was written around the turn of the last century by "Banjo" Patterson, and yes it was known before WW1. Mark Ross |
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01 Apr 02 - 09:08 PM (#681132) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: masato sakurai The chords are HERE. |
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01 Apr 02 - 11:02 PM (#681213) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Bob Bolton G'day Neil, To expand on Mark Ross's remarks; 'Banjo' Paterson produced the poem's words at Winton Station in Queensland in 1895. The tune he had was Christina MacPherson's memory of an arrangement of Barr's tune for The bonnie Wood of Craigielea. The song was popular locally, around Winton, but Paterson sold the poem with "a heap of other old rubbish" for something like £3 a few years later (interesting story ... but let's not get the waters too murky ...!) and it was reset in a 'simpler' - more "pop" song style to a simplified version of Christina's tune. This was used as an advertising handout for Inglis's "Billy Tea" some time round 1904 ... and found its way all over the range of Australians. Its popularity in WW I is attested by contemporary accounts and its appearance in one of CJ Dennis's poems in his "Ginger Mick" cycle, written during WW I. It is interesting that Marie Cowan, who did the re-arrangement, never claimed any trace of authorship ... but her husband claimed copyright after her death in 1939. Now an American company, on the strength of buying this copyright (which, of course, expired in 1989, under Australian law) claims to hold a valid copyright on Waltzing Matilda! (See current thread "Hypercopyrightivity" ... ?) Regards, Bob Bolton |
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02 Apr 02 - 10:17 AM (#681495) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Louie Roy Just to elaborate a little more on what Bob Bolton wrote A.B.Patterson did write the words to Waltzing Matilda in 1895 but he never copyrighted them and appartently all over Australia and probably other places this was sang,but I don't believe was ever put on a record.In 1936 Marie Cowan put this tune to music and also put it on a record and she did give A.B Patterson credit for writing it,but she changed all the word and in reality made a different tune and her husband did copyright this tune and sell it to an american company.I do have the words that Marie Cowan put to music,but as i said they are completely different from the original.Louie Roy |
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02 Apr 02 - 12:25 PM (#681590) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Surely the best version is that by Bogle himself. Eric Bogle and John Munro perform "And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda", and Bogle explains the background of the song, Here: Matilda 1915 |
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02 Apr 02 - 08:18 PM (#681929) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Irish sergeant Thank you all. I must say that a bunch of us were on the same wavelegnth. this is the second thread concerning the band played waltzing matilda. It's a geart song I have a version on vinyl by the Clancy brothers and Tommy Makem. Thanks again! |
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02 Apr 02 - 08:36 PM (#681937) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: catspaw49 Actually Neil, our own Kendall Morse does an excellent rendtion of this song! Spaw |
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02 Apr 02 - 11:08 PM (#682011) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Bob Bolton G'day again, Louie Roy: Paterson did publish Waltzing Matilda in one of his later anthologies ... after the "Cowan" arrangement had become widely popular (probably sometime after 1910 ...?). It is silly to say " ... he never copyrighted them ..." because copyright (at least in countries that respect it) is achieved by publishing ... not by formal registration. In effect, the song was copyright from the moment Christina wrote out a copy for a friend at Dagworth Station, in 1895 ... and certainly from the time they sang it in the pub at Winton! It is also incorrect to say that "... she changed all the word and in reality made a different tune ..." as the changes were only a simplification - suitable for the early model advertising jingle Inglis had in mind - and a of Banjo's words were squeezed down to the simpler tune. In case you are confusing this with the collected "Queensland Version" of Waltzing Matilda (which uses Paterson's published words) ... that is not the Christina MacPherson original - indeed it is a separate and unrelated tune. Christina's original is essentially the same as Cowan's re-arrangement, apart from having a more sprightly, 'schottische' or 'Strathspey' tang to it. When I play her version, people have no problem recognising it as Waltzing Matilda. Regards, Bob Bolton |
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03 Apr 02 - 12:58 PM (#682121) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: GUEST,The Celtic Bard "And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda" is one of my favorite songs. A local group around here (California) called The Fenians plays a great version of this song. I first heard it at the Orange County Irish Festival. Great song. Rebecca <>< |
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03 Apr 02 - 03:15 PM (#682215) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Herga Kitty Ah, so have none of you heard June Tabor sing it? I was given "Airs and Graces" for Christmas one year, and was crying all through breakfast, even though I'd heard it live loads of times. Kitty |
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03 Apr 02 - 04:00 PM (#682253) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Irish sergeant I'd be interested to hear Kendall's version. I don't know how Aulstralia works but here in the United States if you put it on paper wheither you register it or not it is copyrighted. The flip side of that is that if you don't register the work any penalties someone else might incur for using your work without permission would be minimal at best due to "Innocent infringement" I would think that given the age of the song, an American company would have no claim to the song's rights Thanks again, Neil |
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03 Apr 02 - 05:04 PM (#682299) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) This website gives the story of "Waltzing Matilda.": Matilda The original Ms of Patterson is shown. The words are different from those now commonly sung. Macpherson's arrangement is also shown. The situation is explained in the posts above, but those interested will find much more at this website. Apparently royalties were payed when the song was played at the Olympics in Salt Lake City (only payable on performances in the USA). As Clarke says, a real nightmare!
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03 Apr 02 - 05:12 PM (#682303) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Amergin celtic bard....i heard of the fenians but never heard them play....one of my trips back down to orange county (did not know they had a irish festival there) will have to see if I can check them out.... |
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03 Apr 02 - 05:14 PM (#682305) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Just a further note of clarification. The Cowan version is different in both text and tune. This is the one concerned in the copyright mess. The fact that Patterson and Macpherson wrote the originals is immaterial to the copyright. |
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03 Apr 02 - 05:14 PM (#682306) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Dani Kendall's version is the ONLY one I've heard, and that was enough for me. I was not prepared for it, and it was some time before I could go on with my day. Recently played it for a friend and it had the same effect. The song is powerful enough; Kendall puts all his heart into it, and just the right note of bitterness. Well done. Dani |
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03 Apr 02 - 06:11 PM (#682333) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Kendall Morse version on Beginner's Luck, OGR 8853C, www.outergreen.com |
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03 Apr 02 - 10:54 PM (#682480) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Bob Bolton G'day Dicho, The Cowan version is a simple rearrangement of the Paterson and MacPherson originals of, respectively, words and tune. As such it is not a composition, but an arrangement ... all that Marie Cowan ever claimed it to be. Marie Cowan's arrangement is no more different from the 1895 Dagworth composition than most of the folksongs, printed in some performer's songbook - or some publisher's compilation - for which copyright and royalties are blatantly claimed. As an arrangement, it is copyrightable in respect of any changes effected by the arrangement ... but Cowan died in 1939 and Paterson in 1941, so their respective copyrights expired in 1989 and 1991 and the song, in any of the 3 established versions, is in the public domain. (Except in America ... where it did not even qualify for an American copyright under American (disregard for) copyright law at the dates of writing or arrangement!) Regard(les)S, Bob Bolton |
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04 Apr 02 - 07:16 AM (#682683) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: GUEST,T-boy Presumably the tune itself is much older. It is commonly used in the UK for a song about a recruiting sergeant ... 'And he sang as he marched through the crowded streets of Rochester, who'll be a soldier for Marlborough and me'. |
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04 Apr 02 - 08:34 AM (#682726) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Snuffy Waltzing Matilda is earlier than the first recorded appearance of Marching through Rochester, which can not be traced back much more than 100 years. For this reason MTR was excluded from the Penguin Book of English Folksongs. As is stated above, the tune was adapted from the Scottish "Braes of Balquidder" WassaiL! V |
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04 Apr 02 - 08:59 AM (#682739) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Bob Bolton G'day Snuffy, Pretty right, except that Waltzing Matilda is to a tune of Bonny Wood of Craigielea ... The Braes of Balquidder, another setting of a Tannahill poe, became Will Ye go, Lassie Go in Belfast. Another setting of a Tannahil poem was pinched in the south of Ireland (c. 1848) for the musical play song that became Wearing of the Green. Tannahill has much to answer for! Regard(les)s, Bob Bolton |
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04 Apr 02 - 06:53 PM (#683227) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Snuffy Sorry about that Bob, mind on auto-pilot Wiil ye go, Matilda, go? |
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04 Apr 02 - 08:36 PM (#683317) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Irish sergeant It's amazing the stuff I learn here. Is Eric Bogle still alive? I don't know that I have actually seen anything of his on disc here> I would be interested in hearing his treatment for both "The band Played Waltzing Matilda" and "The Green Fields of France" Kindest regards, Neil |
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04 Apr 02 - 08:46 PM (#683322) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Amergin yeah he is still alive....and writing and singing...and recording..and touring... |
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04 Apr 02 - 11:10 PM (#683356) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Irish Sergeant, the clickie I gave on 02Apr 1225pm, leads right to him talking and singing the song. |
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05 Apr 02 - 03:53 PM (#683954) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Irish sergeant Thanks Amerigin and Dicho: I haven't tried the blue clicky thing becausei'm not sure what this computer will do (It's a loaner until the repairs are done on mine and it is slow with a capital S) I'll try and see. Neil |
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05 Apr 02 - 11:09 PM (#684256) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Steve in Idaho You can also PM Kendall and buy the CD that he has - great one of him doing several good songs - one of my favorites while I'm driving to work - I think it was only $15? Ask him - Steve |
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06 Apr 02 - 05:06 PM (#684651) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Susanne (skw) Irish Sergeant - look out for a song called 'No Man's Land'. That's the original title of what the Fureys called 'Green Fields of France'. I think Eric has recorded both songs NML and Matilda) several times over the years. Green Linnet ought to be able to provide you with a CD - at a cost ... |
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06 Apr 02 - 05:29 PM (#684657) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Go to the website I posted Apr. 2 (Matilda 1915), at bottom of page click on Songs of Eric Bogle and you will find "No Man's Land" by Bogle and Wacholder in a live performance. |
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06 Apr 02 - 09:43 PM (#684763) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Bluebeard One of the most powerful songs I have ever heard ! I first heard it by The Pogues on their 1985 album "Rum, Sodomy and the Lash," and this is still my favourite version. Eric Bogle is a great talent, still largely unknown, as seems to be the fate of many a folk singer. Cheers, Ollie |
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06 Apr 02 - 10:07 PM (#684770) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: DonD 'The Band Played' is certainly one of my favorite songs and I'm sure I sing it better than anybody, but you'll have to join me in the shower to find out. I heard Bogle sing it at the own Crier in PattersonNY when he was touring a few years ago, but the experience was spoiled by a slightly drunken lout who thought it was a singalong, and I had to beckon him outside to explain that I hadn't traveled that far and paid the cover charge to hear him. sadly, I recently heard Garrison Keillor tackle it on Prairie Home Companion and I had to turn it off before I resolved never o sing it again, it was so bad. I'm happy to have a couple of Bogle's LP's (remember LP's) on Larrekin Records, that I discovered at a 99 cent store in NY, a sad commentary on the alck of appreciation for this great singer/sonwriter. |
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07 Apr 02 - 08:45 AM (#684916) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Bob Bolton G'day DonD, Speaking of "lack of appreciation" ... there's a story/rumour/pholk myth around here (Sydney, Australia, where Wee Eric was based ... until he decided to concentrate on song writing, instead of accounting ... and moved to cheaper Adelaide, South Australia) that The Band Played Waltzing Matilda was entered in song contest in the early '70s. Apparently it came second - but nobody can remember the song that beat it! I fear I am going to have to nail that one down while there still are people who may remember ... Anyway, it is a good song - although I prefer No Man's Land. Regards, Bob Bolton |
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07 Apr 02 - 07:35 PM (#685183) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Susanne (skw) Does this help, Bob? Copied from an issue of the mag 'Folk Review' in Cecil Sharp House at a time when I was too young to have learned proper documentation of my sources: [?:] "I watched the parade and all the crap that goes with the so-called glory. I was annoyed by the whole thing. The people on these parades generally never saw action. All the real soldiers were killed. In Australia, ANZAC Day is merely an excuse for a booze-up. When I get annoyed by things I write songs about them." Bogle wrote the song in seven hours. [...] He first sang Matilda in the Kingston Hotel, Canberra. He forgot some of the words, earned a few polite handclaps and then dropped the number from his repertoire. He dug the song out again for a song festival in Brisbane. The judges placed him and Matilda third, but their decision caused a near-riot with the crowd who felt he should have won. The resulting publicity established Matilda. John Curry sent it up the charts. [...] It caught on in the UK and was recorded by June Tabor, Alex Campbell and Iain MacKintosh. (Kevin Black, Folk Review ?/??) |
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07 Apr 02 - 11:53 PM (#685302) Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Bob Bolton G'day Suzanne, Thanks for (what remains of) the reference! I will see what can be tracked down from this. It is a pity you did not note the date, bt I'm inclined to think that it must be around 1970. I first heard the song only a little while after marrying, down in Tasmania - March 1970, and (as we mainlanders do) carting my Tasmamnian bride away to t'other side. I remember doing some photography for John Curry not long after that and I seem to associate him, at that time, with The Band Played Waltzing Matilda - not having yet met Eric Bogle (who did not, initially, do much singing, prefering to be a songwriter). In those days, I did not like the song because, based on the old soldiers I knew (and, pace Wee Eric's view, these had seen heavy fighting) I felt that nobody could hang onto that anger and not just accept the glory ... or go mad! Nowadays, I know that many of the old veterans did, indeed, hold such burning anguish and anger, but they could not speak of it publicly because the Government ... and then the RSL (Returned Soldiers' League) had pushed the natioanlistic and heroic elements exclusively and they were treated as whingers if they spoke of the true situations and their feelings. There were, ind fact, First World War veterans rendered funcionally dumb by the experience and by the public rejection of their story ... until the Vietnam War, when saturation coverage and vivid images of suffering let them speak of their own experience. But ... I sing The Band Played Waltzing Matilda's first-person view with some circumspection ... and I am much more comfortable with the slight remove at which Eric placed himself in No Man's Land. Regards, Bob Bolton |
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23 Feb 04 - 07:54 PM (#1122196) Subject: The Last Word, maybe. From: GUEST,The AK Sailor Don't know who else may have seen this, but this past year there was a small article buried in the back of the international news section of my local newspaper, easily missed if you weren't paying attention. The article said that the last known living veteran of the Galipoli campaign had passed away. |
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24 Feb 04 - 04:32 AM (#1122422) Subject: RE: Chords Req: Band Played Waltzing Matilda (Bogle) From: Bob Bolton G'day The AK Sailor, The last surviving Australasian ANZAC died (~) last year - or the year before. He was only a lad of 16 at Gallipoli - and mostly carried water to the frontline troops ... but you can't get killed just as dead doing that! I remember looking closely at the picture of the last ANZAC (Alex Campbell ... ?) in a Sydney newspaper. I measured the Lee Enfield rifle he was holding (Rifle #1 mk. 3) ... and worked out, by scaling, that he was only 5' 4" - in his army boots. I was amazed he even got past the enlistment medical (Though they weren't so picky a bit later!) It's remotely possible that a Turkish veteran of Gallipoli is still around ... but I think we would have heard if that was so. Regards, Bob Bolton |
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30 Sep 06 - 10:01 AM (#1846816) Subject: RE: Chords Req: Band Played Waltzing Matilda (Bogle) From: GUEST "Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Irish sergeant Date: 04 Apr 02 - 08:36 PM It's amazing the stuff I learn here. Is Eric Bogle still alive? I don't know that I have actually seen anything of his on disc here> I would be interested in hearing his treatment for both "The band Played Waltzing Matilda" and "The Green Fields of France" Kindest regards, Neil " "Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: And the Band played Waltzing Matil From: Amergin Date: 04 Apr 02 - 08:46 PM yeah he is still alive....and writing and singing...and recording..and touring... " Eric Bogle came to Waikerie this year' and performed with my Vocal Teacher's folk group, East Wind. He's a really nice guy, so's John Munroe. At the performance I picked yo a copy of "At The Stage" and they both signed it ... and I tell you what, Bogle really IS short; he's shorter than me! |
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30 Sep 06 - 12:56 PM (#1846944) Subject: RE: Chords Req: Band Played Waltzing Matilda (Bogle) From: breezy Thats cos he's wide, it makes him look short. he spent last Whitsun with Martyn Wyndham-Read in France along with Tim Frost and Dan Mckinnon before touring the U K Dan was invited to be his support at a couple of his gigs and so was George papavgeris aka el greko June Tabor's version is the definitive one. a guitar is superfluous, the lyric and melody stand up on there own , if not , then you cant sing !! the song was done to death. but its still a masterpiece, a classic How the hell did someone mix it up with 'Waltzing Matilda' er! |
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17 Mar 08 - 07:27 PM (#2291115) Subject: RE: Chords Req: Band Played Waltzing Matilda (Bogle) From: Kenny B (inactive) After all this time the answer to the request:- When [A] I was a [D] young man I [A] carried my [F#m] pack, And I [A] lived the free [E] life of a [A] rover, From the Murray's green [D] basin to the [A] dusty out- [F#m] -back, I've [A] waltzed my Ma- [E] -tilda all [A] over, Then in [E] 1915 my [D] country said, [A] "Son, It's [E] time to stop ramblin', there's [D] work to be [A] done, And they gave me a [F#m] tin hat, and [A] gave me a [F#m] gun, And [A] sent me a- [D] -way to [E] the [A] war, And the [A] band Played [D] Waltzing Ma- [A] -tilda As the ship pulled a- [F#m] -way from the [E] quay, And [D] amidst all the [Bm] cheers,flag [A] waving and [F#m] tears , We [A] sailed off to [D] Ga- [A] -li- [E7] -po- [A] -li, |
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17 Mar 08 - 09:29 PM (#2291245) Subject: RE: Chords Req: Band Played Waltzing Matilda (Bogl From: Rowan Bob's question there's a story/rumour/pholk myth around here (Sydney, Australia, where Wee Eric was based ... until he decided to concentrate on song writing, instead of accounting ... and moved to cheaper Adelaide, South Australia) that The Band Played Waltzing Matilda was entered in song contest in the early '70s. Apparently it came second - but nobody can remember the song that beat it! I fear I am going to have to nail that one down while there still are people who may remember ... followed by Suzanne's He dug the song out again for a song festival in Brisbane. The judges placed him and Matilda third, but their decision caused a near-riot with the crowd who felt he should have won. The resulting publicity established Matilda. and Bob's later memory of hearing it in 1970, all prompt my following memory. At the 1974 National Folk Festival, held in Brisbane, there was an announcement of the winner of the songwriting contest. Eric performed at the main (Saturday night) concert and, during that performance, commented that his entry "And the band played Waltzing Matilda" had come second (as I recall, but I'm not nailing any colours to a mast over the ranking). He then performed it (with slightly different words to those on most recorded versions) as well as "Little Ice Queen"; he sang a third song which I can't recall at all. His introduction to ATBPWM included the quote on his web page (linked to above) and included similar statements to those quoted by Suzanne but he also made reference to the local (in Brisbane) barracks during Australian involvement in the War in Vietnam. This latter would support Bob's dating. Incidentally, Eric's website above includes the statement that 50,000 Australian troops were killed during the Gallipoli campaign. If you included the British, New Zealand, Senegalese (often categorised as "French"), Indian and Australian troops you might make up close to 50,000 but the Australian casualty list was 60,000 for the whole of the Great War so you'd be better advised to seek statistics from a site like the Australian War Memorial or the Imperial War Museum. You're right when you say nobody can remember what won the songwriting prize. Cheers, Rowan |