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09 Apr 02 - 03:10 PM (#686413) Subject: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: GUEST,Bailey My four faces would be Dylan, Guthrie, Van Ronk, and Ramblin' Jack. How about yours? |
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09 Apr 02 - 03:14 PM (#686417) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: MMario My personal ones? Probably Bruce O.;Sandy and Caroline Paton; Dick Greenhaus; Jean Ritchie.
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09 Apr 02 - 03:28 PM (#686425) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy this is almost too difficult to be worth discussing!, would you include/omit collectors? Child, Sharp, Lomax, Ritchie, etc. or just performers? trad or folk stylists? it raises all the long-thread arguments about authenticity, personal preference,etc. i.e. what is a real mount rushmore anyway? and then we'd get into the early or late Elvis discussion as to how to portray them young Dylan? vs cheesy Slim WHitman mustache Dylan? etc. I give up abandon all hope ye who enter this thread! no, really, give up, back out, check out something else! no, really, don't get caught in this maelstrom! aahhhhhh, too late............ |
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09 Apr 02 - 04:08 PM (#686465) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: GUEST,Les B. Oh hell - just put a Strad copy fiddle, a Gibson banjo, a Martin guitar and a Webber mandolin up there and be done with it !!! :) |
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09 Apr 02 - 04:44 PM (#686506) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: MichaelAnthony I find it a straight-forward question, and it's implied it's performers. I would put up Guthrie, Dylan, and two others. Haven't found the two others yet. |
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09 Apr 02 - 05:49 PM (#686547) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: pattyClink We have a farm museum/park in our town where festivals happen to be held. On your way in you pass a little rose garden, it's about 20 feet across, round. In the center is a statue of a farmer who has stopped his hard work long enough to sit and read a book for a few minutes. It's wonderful. So if ya ask me, it ought to be a few nameless people sitting in a circle, sharing tunes, because that's what folk is about, not a celebrity roster. |
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09 Apr 02 - 06:56 PM (#686588) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: Steve-o Bailey, My "favorites" might be closer to those you have listed, but the ones that belong on the Mt. Rushmore are none other than all four of The Weavers! |
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09 Apr 02 - 07:12 PM (#686600) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: Susanne (skw) Mine would show Guthrie, Seeger, Lomax and Jean Ritchie. Or perhaps Phil Ochs, Bob Dylan, Joan Baez and Tom Paxton. Of course, if it was in England it might feature MacColl, Lloyd, and that Waterson-Carthy couple. Scotland - Hamish Henderson, Jeannie Robertson, Jean Redpath and Alex Campbell. Ireland - the original Planxty line-up, or else Andy Irvine, Christy Moore, Donal Lunny and Paul Brady. Northern Ireland - the Sands Family. Wales - difficult, how do you cut four separate choirs in stone? |
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09 Apr 02 - 07:13 PM (#686601) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: Bill D piffle...it nothing but another popularity contest!...and popularity contests are invariably won by someone with high visiblity...but not usually by those with the most talent or importance. (and influence and fame do NOT always imply talent OR importance!) If I voted for Maybelle Carter, Jeannie Robertson, Bob Copper & Dave Macon, who'd even pay attention?..(and those 4 don't begin to touch the possibilities!) People who start these things are 'usually' just looking for a way to say "Dylan" again,,,*sigh*
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09 Apr 02 - 07:17 PM (#686605) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: DonMeixner Carl Sandburg, The academician and collector, the gatherer of America's voice. Joe Hill, The everyman, the rabblerouser and eye opener, before Woody there was Joe Malvina Reynolds, the woman who showed women that strength has a song and voice and a power. Any small childs, boy or girl, the hope and future of a tradion. That would be my choice and why. Don |
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09 Apr 02 - 08:32 PM (#686650) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: Art Thieme Elvis, Patti Page, Rosemary Clooney and me. When we were a group, as I've said before, we called ourselves Preslwy, Page, Rosemary and Thieme (Art) |
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09 Apr 02 - 08:34 PM (#686652) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: Jerry Rasmussen Doc Watson, Mississippi John Hurt, The Carter Family and Woody Guthrie. Each of them have had a far-reaching effect on the following generations. BilD... I paid attention to your nominations.. Dylan has been equally influencial, so maybe I'd consider him in the foothills. Rushmore Hill. Jerry |
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09 Apr 02 - 09:17 PM (#686679) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: GUEST,jonesey The reps from Wales would be Dafydd Iwen, Robin Huw Bowen, Dylan Thomas and Sian James. At the opening ceremonies the Alarm would re-unite, the Wild Welsh Women would do a few tunes, bring Catherine Zeta-Jones on for the balance of the the set. Mike Peters would do a little solo turn after which Richard Burton's version of 'Under Milk Wood' would be played. Then all the performers would come back out to sing a rousing rendition of "This Land is Your...oops wrong country! |
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09 Apr 02 - 10:11 PM (#686709) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: Bill D Dafydd Iwen did a house concert here (Wash DC)...oh..maybe 15-18 years ago...great musician, story teller, and spokesman for the Welsh language and cause!...
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09 Apr 02 - 11:43 PM (#686746) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: Coyote Breath Oh gawd here comes that P.I.T.A. CB: I would love to see Mount Rushmore un-defaced. The Black Hills should be liberated from tourism and returned to their rightful custodians. I feel that monumental sculpture is a perfectly awful way to honor the "greats" of any music, especially people like Joe Hill and Woody Guthrie et al. Ok, I got THAT off my chest. I WOULD like to see recognition given to almost all those mentioned (Presley, Page, Rosemary, and Thieme?) Go to your room Art! CB |
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10 Apr 02 - 02:59 PM (#687250) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: Susanne (skw) Mine would show Guthrie, Seeger, Lomax and Jean Ritchie. Or perhaps Phil Ochs, Bob Dylan, Joan Baez and Tom Paxton. Of course, if it was in England it might feature MacColl, Lloyd, and that Waterson-Carthy couple. Scotland - Hamish Henderson, Jeannie Robertson, Jean Redpath and Alex Campbell. Ireland - the original Planxty line-up, or else Andy Irvine, Christy Moore, Donal Lunny and Paul Brady. Northern Ireland - the Sands Family. Wales - difficult, how do you cut four separate choirs in stone? |
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10 Apr 02 - 03:11 PM (#687262) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: GUEST,johnnythebone Dylan deserves his own mountain. |
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10 Apr 02 - 03:14 PM (#687265) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: Susanne (skw) Sorry for the double posting, same problem as in another thread - my PC said it couldn't get through last night. Liar!! |
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10 Apr 02 - 04:33 PM (#687323) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: McGrath of Harlow Coyote Breath, you've just said what I was going to say. Building a statue and sticking it in a town square or something like that is one thing. Vandalising a mountain, and sticking a bunch of politicians, or even musicians, on its side is quite another.
And I'm certain that anyone who'd be worthy of a place on the mountain would agree on that. |
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10 Apr 02 - 04:41 PM (#687329) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: Amos I've always enjoyed the noion of Mount Rushmore being a monument to the ideas that resided in those heads, not the heads themselves. Nature being as prolific in all things as she is, I think she can spare a mountain to indulge a little idealism. As for the Mount Rushmore of folk music, I'm afrtaid you'd need a hundred mountains just to start, and I think any of the candidates would prefer to hear their music being sung or played than to see their faces carved in a hill somewhere. I'm for doing that instead! A |
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10 Apr 02 - 06:45 PM (#687417) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: GUEST,guest Four ordinary people. |
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10 Apr 02 - 07:35 PM (#687462) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: kendall Folks dont get memorialized on mountains. |
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10 Apr 02 - 07:46 PM (#687468) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: kendall Most of the people mentioned are not, in my opinion, folk singers. How could you leave out Buryl Ives and Rachael Higgins, (my 6th grade teacher) |
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10 Apr 02 - 07:55 PM (#687484) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: Morticia Art, you should be ashamed *BG*... |
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11 Apr 02 - 12:17 AM (#687635) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: Coyote Breath Amen, McGrath! Amos, nature ain't the issue. The paha sapa (black hills)are sacred to the Northern plains people. American ethnocentrism designated the ancient mountain to be a "perfect" place to honor those men. The people of the Northern plains were NOT consulted and to many of them it is as though someone "tagged" the Sistine Chapel with gang graffitti. Yes the ideals of Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln deserve to be honored and are in many, many, ways. Teddy, on the other hand... CB |
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11 Apr 02 - 12:41 AM (#687639) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: Amos CB -- Well, Teddy was a jolly and energetic guy, but I concur he doesn't really qualify to have his face carved on a sacred mountain. And I understand what you are saying about the land. If it mitigates anything, the sculptor, Gurtzon Borglum, rejected the original fatcats idea of putting Western heroes up on the mountain. in a way, he understood the sacredness of what he was dealing with. Here's what he said in 1924 when undertaking the project: "We believe the dimensions of national heartbeats are greater than village impulses, greater than city demands, greater than state dreams or ambitions. Therefore, we believe a nation's memorial should, like Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln and Roosevelt, have a serenity, a nobility, a power that reflects the gods who inspired them...." Regards, A. |
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11 Apr 02 - 01:39 AM (#687654) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: GUEST Art, is your name pronounced "Time"? |
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11 Apr 02 - 03:18 PM (#688040) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: Dan Schatz I'm with Guest. Four ordinary people, sitting on a porch somewhere. (Carved on a moutain that has consented to have faces carved on it.) However, Art Thieme could now join Nikos A.on a Mount Rushmore for punsters. Dan |
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11 Apr 02 - 08:34 PM (#688236) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: kendall Teddy never humped a servent/ slave, never suspended Habeas Corpus; but, he did put the "robber Barons in their place, and he drove the republicans nuts with his Trust Busting. How you stand depends on where you are standing. However, I do agree that it was damed presumptious of that guy to deface a sacred mountain. Come to think of it, that's one of the reasons Ben Laden hates us today; infedel troops on sacred ground. We never learn, do we? |
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12 Apr 02 - 04:17 AM (#688387) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: GUEST,McFeeney My mountain would have Bob Dylan, Joanie, Woody, and Roger McGuinn. |
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12 Apr 02 - 11:51 AM (#688573) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: Steve-o ".....it was damed presumptious of that guy to deface a sacred mountain. Come to think of it, that's one of the reasons Ben Laden hates us today; infedel troops on sacred ground. We never learn, do we?" Ummmm-hummmm....I guess that "damed presumptious" guy should have looked up in the Sacred Mountain Directory before defacing them with that horrible graffiti. And Ben Laden surely is the guy to teach us all about what is "sacred", ain't he?? We started out with a mild little question about who the all-time great folk singers might be, and it degenerated all the way to this degeneration. AAAAArrrrrgggghhh! |
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12 Apr 02 - 11:55 AM (#688576) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: kendall Steve O your reply is a good example of our ethnocentric attitude. We are never wrong! |
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12 Apr 02 - 01:12 PM (#688636) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: Don Firth An interesting exercise, if totally pointless. I recall George C. Scott refusing the Oscar for "Patton," and saying that first, he thought if anyone was going to win it that year, it should have been Melvin Douglas for "I Never Sang for My Father," and second, the whole idea of a "best actor" is idiotic. There is a level at which an actor has achieved excellence, each actor is unique, each performance is unique, and there is no "best." The number of folk singers (born to the tradition) and singers of folk songs (those who came to it later) who have achieved this kind of excellence, by however you want to measure it (by the way, how do you measure it?), would take several mountain ranges and it would still leave a bunch of people out. Besides, both the Park Service and the environmentalists would probably squawk very loudly. I cast my vote with pattyClink, above, at 09-Apr-02 - 05:49 PM. Don Firth
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12 Apr 02 - 04:31 PM (#688756) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: GUEST,paul pierce I don't think we have to get on our high horses here. It's a hypothetical question, and it's OK to have an opinion after all. Isn't it? It was where I grew up, anyway. I don't think we have to get into a "best" this or "best" that, either. It's MY personal Rushmore, and feel free to may YOURS different. "You can be in my dream if I can be in yours." Without further adieu: Woody Guthrie, Pete Seeger, Ralph Stanley, and the mighty Bob Dylan. |
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12 Apr 02 - 05:11 PM (#688774) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: Peter Kasin Woody Guthrie, Pete Seeger, Leadbelly, and for the fourth......hmm... Bill Monroe? Jimmie Rodgers? Jean Ritchie? Dylan? Could be any of those, or...?. Not a "best" list, but a "very significant" list of those who brought/brings this music in some of its American forms to the fore. I'm assuming that this thread is asking for U.S. musicians for the "Rushmore" type sculpture? Hard enough to name four, let alone making it an international sculpture. I treat this as Guest Paul does - it's just a hypothetical question. |
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12 Apr 02 - 05:24 PM (#688780) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: greg stephens we dont know their names and we dont know their faces so forget it |
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13 Apr 02 - 01:50 AM (#688982) Subject: RE: The Mount Rushmore of Folk? From: GUEST,Disco Danny I'm going with Neil Young, Carter Stanley, Emmylou Harris, and Dylan. |