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25 Apr 02 - 01:13 PM (#698416) Subject: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: McGrath of Harlow If you can get BBC4 TV (not to be confused with Chennel Four, or Radio Four), Tuesday 30th April should be a night to stay in or set the video recorder, with two programmes on Martin Carthy and Friends
As a celebration of the life and work of Martin Carthy, BBC Four presents two programmes exploring many of the songs and partnerships that have made him the touchstone of the English traditional folk scene for 40 years.
English Roots:
Martin Carthy and Friends: |
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25 Apr 02 - 01:20 PM (#698421) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: GUEST Well done, Kevin. I was going to start a similar 'alert' thread, but you've beaten me to it. There has already been a thread about the second of the two programmes (click here). It will be interesting to see the final product. Glad that both programmes are being twice repeated. I'll be able to make tapes for a couple of close friends who don't have digital TV, if I can stay up late enough.
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25 Apr 02 - 01:23 PM (#698424) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: Greycap Thanks, I will watch. Wouldn't have known about it but for your help. Did you see the 'Oh, Brother' concert on the same channel about 4 weeks ago? Wow!! |
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25 Apr 02 - 01:39 PM (#698440) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: GUEST,Les B(UK) Whats BBC4 when its at home? Les |
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25 Apr 02 - 02:09 PM (#698462) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: GUEST Les, Hope that helps... |
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25 Apr 02 - 02:52 PM (#698499) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: Mr Red Bugger! Bugger! Bugger! No digital here. anyone recording them? |
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25 Apr 02 - 05:04 PM (#698597) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: DMcG I hope to, but I may well forget if I am watching it as well! |
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26 Apr 02 - 04:36 AM (#698942) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: Big Tim Speaking of digi tv, anyone know why Tara suddenly disappeared about two weeks ago? |
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26 Apr 02 - 05:22 AM (#698956) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: GUEST There was a thread about Tara TV a few weeks back |
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28 Apr 02 - 10:40 AM (#699794) Subject: Martin Carthy on UK TV From: Hilary A program entitled 'Martin Carthy : English Roots' is listed for BBC 4,tuesday 9pm & BBC 4 sessions, tuesday 10pm BBC on my TV doesn't go beyond 2 - so I guess it's on digital stations. - now digital tv - that's a whole other thread. Hilary |
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28 Apr 02 - 11:54 AM (#699817) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on UK TV From: Mr Red actually it was a whole new thread - one on digital TV at least and one on MC on BBC4. I have an offer of a recording from a catter, if it all comes together I can pass it on. PM me if you want to form a chain. Do not break the chain .........***BG*** |
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28 Apr 02 - 03:37 PM (#699940) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: Noreen refresh |
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28 Apr 02 - 09:18 PM (#700099) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: Bearheart Does anyone know if any public TV channels in the US will be picking this up? I don't do TV but my sister does and would be very interested. How can we get a station here to get it? Bekki |
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30 Apr 02 - 04:13 AM (#700972) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: GUEST *refresh* It's on tonight |
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30 Apr 02 - 07:42 AM (#701041) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: McGrath of Harlow Bearheart - might be an idea to write to the BBC about it. That kind of thing might even help them sell it, and you could likely get on a mailing list to be told if it's likely to surface somewhere. (And you could email the Carthy Waterson site) |
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30 Apr 02 - 02:40 PM (#701319) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: NELLIE Anyone video this for me. I will gladly pay video and post. Thanks if anyone can. Jenny |
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30 Apr 02 - 06:24 PM (#701515) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: Llanfair I've just finished watching the programmes, sorry, didn't video it, we don't know how. It was such a treat to have 2 hours of folk on the telly, and, as Martin is a hero of mine, it was extra special. It was also good to see Swarb in action again, he looked much better than he did at Cropredy the year before last. Altogether, it was damn good. Cheers, Bron. |
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30 Apr 02 - 06:37 PM (#701525) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: McGrath of Harlow Just finished watching it, both the documentary and the concert. Well the concert was obviously going tobe great. But the documentary was brilliant, brought it all together. And as always, Martin got it right, including about the politics. "CND and anti-apartheid werte the engine of folk."
I taped it - but I'm hanging on to the tape, I'm afraid. (I will see what I can do to get my act together to copy it, if noone else does.)
But they are going to have to put it out on a mainstream channel before long. I think right now they are putting on a few gems like this to encourage people to go digital and get BBC Four TV. |
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30 Apr 02 - 06:57 PM (#701545) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: RolyH The documentry was great,and the sound on the concert didn't come out as bad as the people who went to the live show said it would be.Got that down on CD. |
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30 Apr 02 - 07:49 PM (#701577) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull It's been repeated NOW.john |
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01 May 02 - 05:42 AM (#701873) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: Mikey joe Can anyone tell me what is wrong with Dave Swarbrick. I didn't know he was ill. hope it's nothing very serious although he didn't look well. Cheers Mj |
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01 May 02 - 06:47 AM (#701896) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: McGrath of Harlow Yes, there are seeds of hope - the tragedy is the shoots get crushed when they start to grow. Here's an article from last September about the Palestinian Center for the Study of Non-Violence, a Palestinian peace group in Hebron. I wonder what's become of this in the year since? |
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01 May 02 - 06:49 AM (#701897) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: GUEST I don't quite follow, McGrath? |
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01 May 02 - 06:53 AM (#701899) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: greg stephens Well, I don't think I'll follow McGrath's diversionary tactics. On the subject of Martin Carthy, I was glad to see the documentary ended with "I bid you goodnight". It's all very well that old English traditional stuff, but when you get down to it we're all old skifflers at heart. |
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01 May 02 - 07:03 AM (#701904) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: McGrath of Harlow I wondered where that post went to! It belongs on this thread.
Mind, I don't think Martin Carthy would have any objection to it being in here. As he pointed out a couple of times in that first programme, movements for peace and civil rights were the driving force in the folk music upsurge in the sixties. |
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01 May 02 - 07:19 AM (#701909) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: GUEST,Bullfrog Jones (on the road) Didn't you hear? Dave Swarbrick died in Coventry a couple of years ago. I thought he looked remarkably good considering! |
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01 May 02 - 07:40 AM (#701915) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: Big Tim Martin wasn't far off when he remarked, lightheartedly, that is wife is "the best singer in the world". What a voice indeed. |
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01 May 02 - 09:33 PM (#702493) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: McGrath of Harlow He may have said it lightly enough, but I reckon he meant it - and he was right. And the singing's only half of it, the way she weaves spells with her hands while she's singing is amazing. |
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02 May 02 - 02:47 AM (#702643) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: Big Tim I reckon he meant that she's his favourite singer. Previously, I hadn't paid much attention to the Watersons but I will certainly be investigating, and investing in them, now. |
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02 May 02 - 03:07 AM (#702654) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: GUEST,Greycap Good, wasn't it? |
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02 May 02 - 01:48 PM (#703004) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: Ian@whitby I reckon Norma to be one of the best living singers, period. Her voice raises the hair on my spine; and her live performance is so much better - she really lets a song move her. I'm noticing, too, that Eliza's voice and style are beginning to approach her mother's rather closely, but are still different enough to make their duets truly listenable. |
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02 May 02 - 07:28 PM (#703249) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: Lanfranc We need more programs like this, and on mainstream channels rather than tucked away on digital TV. How good to have a pair of programs that assumed an attention span greater than that of a fruit fly. Martin and Norma are one hell of a couple, and the concert was great, even if a lot of "Prince Heathen" was lost in the mix. Was that a Santa Cruz he was playing? The Troubadour scenes in the documentary brought back memories - my wife swears she saw me in the background, which was possible, but we didn't record it so I'll have to watch more closely next time they run it! More, BBC, More!!! Alan |
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02 May 02 - 07:36 PM (#703253) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: Pete Jennings Didn't see it, groan. Don't have digital TV and anyway I was away on biz. Just to add to my misery, my wife phoned me at the hotel to say my mate Andy had just phoned to say turn on the TV quick. Lanfranc, if it was a Santa Cruz then it's the first guitar he's bought in about 39 years. It was probably his old Martin. Pete |
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02 May 02 - 07:43 PM (#703256) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: Lanfranc No, Pete, I know his old Martin well. This was a rosewood dreadnought with no pickguard and a smallish mother of pearl inlay on the peghead, otherwise pretty plain. Unfortunately, no-one has yet trained cameramen to linger on pegheads long enough to satisfy us guitar nerds! Alan |
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02 May 02 - 08:01 PM (#703265) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: Pete Jennings Mmmmm...a dreadnought with no pickguard. Only guitar make I know that readily fits is a Lowden, but not having seen it, it could've been hand made. Any 'Catters able to solve this mystery? Pete
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02 May 02 - 09:04 PM (#703295) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull The guitar in question is a Docherty Click Here It was a good programme, it's about time we had something decent on the BBC instead of Eastenders and the usual shite, I would have taped it, but my video is knackered. |
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02 May 02 - 09:05 PM (#703299) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: Malcolm Douglas Another repeat of both programmes together is scheduled for Monday 6th May, starting at 11.35 pm. Before that, at 10.15 pm, is Nico Icon, a documentary about another extraordinary and influential singer; previously shown only in "art" cinemas, so far as I know, and well worth watching, too.
You can email the BBC to tell them how much you enjoyed the Carthy programmes, how much you would like to see more like them, and how you think they ought also (and soon) to be shown on terrestrial channels:
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02 May 02 - 09:14 PM (#703302) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: Malcolm Douglas Unfortunately, the buggers have set the site up so that that link, when accessed externally, takes you to a useless FAQ page. You need instead to go to the BBC4 page: and click on the "contact us" link; it takes you to the same address, but that page has the email form. They obviously don't want to make feedback unnecessarily easy... |
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03 May 02 - 04:58 AM (#703478) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: Lanfranc John from Hull, Nerdlike to the last, I followed your link, but it led only indirectly to a page for ragtime.org which didn't seem germaine. You've whetted my curiousity, any chance of a relink, because "docherty guitars" and "docherty luthier" searches gave no results on Google and AltaVista? Contributed to BBC4's feedback, though. Alan |
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03 May 02 - 05:43 AM (#703491) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull click here (see the last post in the thread, I have Terry Dochert's phone number PM me if you want it) |
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03 May 02 - 05:49 AM (#703493) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull PS. Bill Sables also plays a Docherty guitar. |
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03 May 02 - 08:01 AM (#703527) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: Abuwood Fabulous TV for once, I hope they do more like that! |
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03 May 02 - 09:08 AM (#703562) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: Malcolm Douglas It seems that they have already had more feedback to the website than for any other programme yet shown on BBC4. |
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03 May 02 - 10:36 AM (#703611) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: breezy Martin told me it was on when he bumped into me in Padstow at midnight on Tuesday.Isnt Norma little in life but larger than life when in action .How did her tiangle playing come across at the end? nyaaaaa |
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03 May 02 - 10:37 AM (#703612) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: breezy Martin told me it was on when he bumped into me in Padstow at midnight on Tuesday.Isnt Norma little in life but larger than life when in action .How did her tiangle playing come across at the end? nyaaaaa |
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03 May 02 - 10:52 AM (#703620) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: My guru always said Just kept my eyes shut & listened - wonderful! |
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03 May 02 - 11:09 AM (#703628) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: DMcG BBC4 certainly don't want to make feedback too easy - the message area is only about twenty characters wide! I was at the recording and watched the programmes. The sound on the programme was certainly much better than live - I guess it might make mixing easier if there is less sound through speakers, bouncing off walls etc. There was one song where I felt Eliza's voice was a mixed a little too loud compared to Norma and Martin, but I forget which one and if that's the biggest criticism I can come up with, it can't be bad. Overall BBC4 deserves the praise it is getting for this program. (I just hope it doesn't get shut down before the next one!) |
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03 May 02 - 11:34 AM (#703646) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: McGrath of Harlow Noone's mentioned Martin's version of Heartbreak Hotel. What I liked it was the way he played and sang it with respect, no messing about. There's a great album potentially there, which might open up a few eyes to what they're missing. |
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03 May 02 - 01:15 PM (#703714) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: GUEST McGrath, Martin recorded Heartbreak Hotel on his last solo album 'Signs of Life' |
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03 May 02 - 03:39 PM (#703832) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: John MacKenzie I'm afraid that the theory about BBC making people want to go digital by tempting them with offerings like this one, is wishfull thinking. We are a minority interest, and small beer as far as the BBC is concerned. Which when you boil it down, means that most of the rest of the world ain't got no taste!! *BG*...Giok |
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07 May 02 - 10:33 AM (#705920) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: Brakn I haven't gone through all the posts........Both programmes on again tonight......Tuesday. |
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08 May 02 - 02:28 PM (#706834) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: GUEST,Eliza helloo MC will have been playing his Fylde guitar, if it wasn't the Martin. ec x |
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08 May 02 - 08:54 PM (#707075) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: Ian Darby I now have 'Down From the Mountain', and the Martin Carthy stuff on video. I also taped the Nico documentary. Its almost worth the licence fee.
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10 May 02 - 12:51 AM (#707912) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Harry in oldham has emailed the bbc to ask them to show this on normal TV, if enogh people ask them they might do, se the tread calleed Let the BBc know. |
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01 Jun 02 - 05:21 PM (#721250) Subject: RE: Martin Carthy on BBC4 From: RolyH Just a reminder that the Union Chapel concert is being repeated on BBC4 at 11.00 pm (BST) on Tuesday June 4th |