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19 May 02 - 12:34 PM (#713491) Subject: Medieval Babes - whaddya think of them? From: katlaughing Just heard two women from this group interviewed on NPR, click here, and I have to say they were very entertaining and I liked what I heard of their songs. Have any of you seen them perform or, are any of you familiar with their albums? I am going to start a related thread about the Sour Grove. They said it was a subtlely bawdy poem written by a Welsh woman. Thanks, kat |
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19 May 02 - 12:35 PM (#713493) Subject: RE: Medieval Babes - whaddya think of them? From: Liz the Squeak Merde Chaud. LTS |
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19 May 02 - 12:38 PM (#713497) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: katlaughing Forgot, I can't get their homepage up, but here's a link to their news page. |
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19 May 02 - 12:41 PM (#713500) Subject: RE: Medieval Babes - whaddya think of them? From: John MacKenzie Rubbish,you would think that at least "intelligent music" would have realised that talent does not equal tits. I have this sort of philosophy every day, with the kids at work. They think that what's between their legs is more important than what's between their ears. Disillusioned .....Giok |
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19 May 02 - 12:43 PM (#713501) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: katlaughing Giok, I don't understand. That is just one of the songs they do and it is based on a poem from medieval times. Also, what do you mean by "intelligent" music? Thanks...kat |
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19 May 02 - 12:49 PM (#713509) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: DMcG I think you're being a bit harsh, all. Try ranking them against the current charts, for example. Are they really as low as you are suggesting? As usual, I think anything that exposes people to a wider range of music than the standard pop can't be all bad! |
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19 May 02 - 12:57 PM (#713521) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: RichM I think they're babe-elicious! But certainly not old enough to be mediaeval! |
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19 May 02 - 12:57 PM (#713522) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: Clinton Hammond -I- love 'em! I've got at least one of their CD's (who's name escapes me right now) and a vid of a X-mas Concert they ran on Bravo last year or the year before... They may not be the best, the most authentic or whatever... But I always half suspect that the people who cry 'foul' of their looks the loudest are jealous! Sure "talent does not equal tits", but together they are ALWAYS a winning combination! ;-)
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19 May 02 - 12:58 PM (#713523) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: GUEST,Jeff I don't know much of their music, but what I've heard I liked. I do however think that marketing themselves as 'Baebes' opens them up for a lot more criticism (deserved or not) than if they'd simply concentrated on the music. Jeff |
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19 May 02 - 01:02 PM (#713526) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: GUEST,Jeff Of course, it also gives them a lot more media exposure... |
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19 May 02 - 01:03 PM (#713527) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: Peg I like the music and the attitude. And there a LOT of them (in number), which I sort of like too. I had a chance to see them at a club in Boston on Beltane Eve and while I missed it (too much work to do), I heard it was great: three costume changes: purple to green to silver...if they come here again I won't miss it I hope! Peg
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19 May 02 - 01:18 PM (#713539) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: masato sakurai This ("Cywydd y Cedor") seems to be the poem. Their song is from the last 8 lines. English translation is on the next page. ~Masato |
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19 May 02 - 01:28 PM (#713547) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: CapriUni I heard the same report, Kat, and was thinking of starting this thread... you just beat me to it!! This was my first exposure to them at all, and being on radio, there was not a flashy costume or tit in sight. It was their talent alone that drew me away from Mudcat so I could sit closer to the radio to listen. So that's gotta be worth sometin'! I take it, Giok, that you have seen them... are you sure your negative reaction to their unconventional stage show isn't getting in the way of your apreciation of the music? Are there other medieval singing groups that you would recommend instead? |
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19 May 02 - 02:10 PM (#713584) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: CapriUni Thanks, Masato! Great Song! (ancient companion to "The Twiddle song", Pr'haps?) The "Baebes" said, in their interview, that this song was written by a woman... Do we have any evidence that this was in fact the case, and if so, who that might've been? |
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19 May 02 - 02:25 PM (#713588) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: masato sakurai It was written by Gwerful Mechain (info is HERE. ~Masato |
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19 May 02 - 03:27 PM (#713622) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: lady penelope Whilst I'll admit to a certain amount of bias against them due to the bloody georgeous turn out they do, I must say I'm not that impressed with the music. I find the whole sound over produced and the arrangements don't seem to add to the original songs. It's all a bit fluffy, with a slight tendency towards the bland. I also find the it a bit strange that the group is described as 9 "baebes". But there is also two further people who actually provide a large part of the musicianship. The only difference is they are, in one case, not female / babelicious and in the other, a damn site older than the rest of the "baebes". Hmmm. Other than that, if you like that kind of thing, why not? Good luck to them. TTFN M'Lady P. |
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19 May 02 - 04:00 PM (#713639) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: John MacKenzie I think that Lady P made my point, add to this the fact that RichM thinks they're babe-licious, and Clinton Hammond can't remember the name of their CD, and he owns a copy. It just adds to my impression that they are more wallpaper than content. Intelligent music is music that provokes thought and admiration. and not a hard-on. DARFC...Giok |
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19 May 02 - 04:12 PM (#713644) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: Clinton Hammond Giok... You remember every single CD title at every single moment??? Never had a brain-fart and couldn't remember the name of something obvious on command?? Get stuffed... It's just music... How much content do you really expect there to be??? It's entertainment... Does it entertain? YES! It's done it's job...
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19 May 02 - 04:15 PM (#713647) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: John MacKenzie Ooh-er Mrs. |
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19 May 02 - 04:21 PM (#713651) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: GUEST Giok, I was going to say 'grow up' But 'grow young' might be more appropriate. |
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19 May 02 - 04:30 PM (#713655) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: katlaughing Like Capri-Uni, this was my first time in even hearing anything about this group. I didn't see any of the glitz, tits, or anything else. I *heard* a couple of wimmin having a great time, very articulate, having an intellgent conversation about their music, which they unabashedly claim for being modern, their own compositions, with a medieval twist. They also were unapologetic to the purists who have apparently denigrated them since they first hit the classical music scene in 1998. I would urge anyone who is interested to visit the npr site and listen to the interview. It interested me enough to keep me in the car instead of shopping and enough to come here and see who knew what about them.:-) Oh, and Giok, no offence, but since I was female, last time I checked, I didn't get a hard-on...just had fun listening to some "uppity" wimmin I could relate to. Thanks ya'll... kat |
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19 May 02 - 04:32 PM (#713660) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: GUEST,Celtic Soul, away from my 'puter I have heard very very good things about these ladies. My understanding is that they will be doing a N. American tour this year. I don't know where else they will be, but for those of whom Annapolis Maryland is not too far, they have an weekend or 2 with the Maryland Renaissance Festival this year.
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19 May 02 - 04:42 PM (#713663) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: GUEST,Peter from Essex I didn't realise that they were still around. Is it the original line up? |
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19 May 02 - 05:05 PM (#713673) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: GUEST I checked them out at their website www.mediaevalbaebes.com and they are, by and large, baebelicious. |
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19 May 02 - 05:11 PM (#713676) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: Clinton Hammond Yes indeed they are.. and there's nothing at all wrong with that! ;-) I really hope to one day catch their live show... They do play places that aren't ren.fairs right? Cause I think I'd rather chew my own butt out than attend another ren.fair... The geek factor is a little to heavy for even me there... (more likely just a horrid truth that I don't wanna admit to myself! LOL!) |
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19 May 02 - 07:06 PM (#713704) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: katlaughing Looks like you just missed their concerts in Canada, Clinton. Their schedule is listed on this page. |
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20 May 02 - 04:19 AM (#713785) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: Trevor I've seen them and I thought they were great. Their album 'Undrentide' was, I also thought, overproduced and overhyped (Classic FM three times a day) but my interest in their music overcame my scepticism I'm glad to say. The sound they made on stage was excellent, the effects they manged with their voices (there were eleven when I saw them)impressive and the arrangements good. I enjoyed 'Now welcome somer' in the album - it was, if anything, better live - quite hypnotic. But there again, I like harmonies and realise it may not be everybody's cuppa'. The other thiing that struck me was that they appeared to be enjoying themselves. I'm sure they're well paid and ought to look happy, but it certainly added to the atmosphere of the evening. Go and see them if you get the chance - develop your eclectic taste buds! |
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20 May 02 - 04:55 AM (#713793) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: GUEST Just listened to the interview that Kat flagged at the top of the thread. Good stuff! Particularly impressed with the 'baebe' who could sing a Dorian scale on demand! |
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20 May 02 - 08:33 AM (#713822) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: GUEST If Giok wishes to make disparaging, misogynist remarks about women's "tits" while discussing female musicians, I believe commentary on the smallness of his manhood should be fair game as well. |
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20 May 02 - 09:30 AM (#713841) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca I like them. I met them when the ladies came ot Halifax a couple of years back. Besides being wonderful singer, they REALLY are Babes! |
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20 May 02 - 09:40 AM (#713843) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: GUEST,hilary,not logged in A personal opinion only, I don't like listening to their versions of the music (there are 2 of their CD's at work). They are very presentable (I'm only mildly jealous), I suppose it's a gimmick, but if it helps'em make a living..... Hilary
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20 May 02 - 09:44 AM (#713845) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: MMario Now I have to decide between pirate weekend and baebes? YEESH! Hey Clinton - just curious; what ren-faire gave you such a bad experience?
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20 May 02 - 10:25 AM (#713865) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: English Jon Well, as mediaeval music goes, it's pretty lame stuff. The arrangements aren't very good, let alone authentic, and the performance is a bit lacklustre - Compare with City Waites, or even Dufay collective who I would normally describe as being a bit limp wristed. Anonymous 4 are much better, although again, not always desperately authentic. You want good early music? Check out ensemble fuer fruher musik Augsburg. Anyway, medieaval babes were much better when it was just the three of them and they were called miranda sex garden. EJ |
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20 May 02 - 11:06 AM (#713894) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: C-flat I've never had a problem with attractive women entertaining me! As far as the music goes, it's pleasant enough without pressing any buttons and I can't see it stirring up much in the way of strong feelings of like or dislike. I wouldn't rush out to buy it but If it was one my C'D'player I'd listen. |
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20 May 02 - 12:49 PM (#713959) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: Don Firth Thanks for posting this, Kat! Good grief, I listen to NPR all the time, including last Sunday. How did I miss this? And I also note from their web site, if I'm reading it correctly, that they were in Seattle last Tuesday!!! Authenticity is great in its place, but sometimes it can be a sacred cow. Indeed, were I to be totally without humor and needlessly nit-picky, I could raise an eyebrow at some of the harmonies they use—not that there is anything wrong with fairly lush harmonies, but I don't think that sort of harmony was extant during medieval times—but wotthehell archie wotthehell! They sound great! And the general style and the instrumentation they use evokes a medieval aura. I like 'em!! Some men just get real nervous around real women. Don Firth |
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20 May 02 - 01:26 PM (#713982) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: GUEST Wot English Jon sed Didn't like Miranda Sex Garden myself, mind |
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20 May 02 - 02:35 PM (#714034) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: John MacKenzie Ah dear guest, how refreshing it is to hear such finely tuned criticism. It obviously comes from one skilled in the art of dialectics, and with an endless lexicon of words at his command. Obviously you paid great attention to my posting, and found therein the word size, which I had sub conciously slipped into it in a Freudian fashion. Well as they say, size does not matter anyway, what is more important is to keep it tucked away out of sight when in company. Rather than to wear it proudly on your forehead, and betray your lack of intelligence. Peace and love...Giok |
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20 May 02 - 02:40 PM (#714035) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: GUEST Fuck off, Giok |
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20 May 02 - 02:52 PM (#714040) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: John MacKenzie Bulls eye !!! |
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20 May 02 - 02:55 PM (#714043) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: GUEST With every post you make Giok, you come across as a bigger tosser. Another "bull's-eye" no doubt? |
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20 May 02 - 04:01 PM (#714070) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: GUEST,Guest 8:33 a.m. I would say your injudicious use of the term "tits" when speaking about female musicians demonstrates a lack of both intellect and humanity, which is, of course what reveals the true size of your manhood. |
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20 May 02 - 04:15 PM (#714077) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: GUEST,Hille Well, I'm listening to M/Babes' Salva Nos CD bought after I caught a glimpse of them on UK TV (think it was Millenium Night?) Honestly? Technically, they are not great enunciators and some of the voices sound rather girls school choir-ish: somewhat 'immature'/ undeveloped -However, it is good to hear vocal individuality: comparing them to Anonymous 4 who are sublime (but so sublime I tend to fall asleep). But, for fun and keep listening to value? I'd have to say (being very low-brow meself despite having Hilliard Ensembles' 'Officium' and Henry's Eight in the next slot on the rack) give me the girls anytime!!! They have energy, are fun and I think like the Bond Girls it's just sour grapes to folks who don't want the rabble getting to know about musical stuff they'd prefer to keep elitist! |
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20 May 02 - 04:15 PM (#714078) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: lady penelope Play nicely now, boys! ; ) TTFN M'Lady P. |
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20 May 02 - 04:20 PM (#714083) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: GUEST OK, Lady P. But HE started it! *grin* |
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20 May 02 - 05:34 PM (#714123) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: katlaughing Thank you, Lady Penelope! My thoughts egg-xactly! Thanks to all who have expressed their opinions in this thread; it's been interesting to say the least. |
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20 May 02 - 05:57 PM (#714134) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: Ian Darby I've got one of their albums, (and I can't remember what its called either.) Say what you want about these ladies, but they're doing something a bit different and doing it well. Whatever else they're getting a reaction off us lot..
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21 May 02 - 12:34 PM (#714672) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: English Jon "they're doing something a bit different and doing it well" No they're not. It's a "my first book" of dead common medieval songs, poorly performed with crappy direction and little enthusiasm. They're not even desperately attractive! Pretty much dead ordinary looking. Fair play to them for selling it though - lots of people seem to like it, then again, lots of people like hooked on classics and richard clayderman... Cheers, Jon |
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21 May 02 - 12:54 PM (#714684) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: Clinton Hammond "dead common medieval songs" Now if that isn't a total contradiction in terms, I don't know what is... "It's a "my first book" of dead common medieval songs, poorly performed with crappy direction and little enthusiasm. They're not even desperately attractive! Pretty much dead ordinary looking. Fair play to them for selling it though - lots of people seem to like it, then again, lots of people like hooked on classics and richard clayderman... " Sounds like a description of Great Big Sea...
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21 May 02 - 01:19 PM (#714697) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: GUEST Nay, a description of Battlefield Band. |
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21 May 02 - 01:25 PM (#714698) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: Clinton Hammond Them too... Doesn't mean I don't like the M. Babes! |
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21 May 02 - 10:15 PM (#715029) Subject: RE: Mediaeval Baebes - whaddya think of them? From: Celtic Soul Mmario...You will miss the Corsairs and the Crimson Pirates if you come any other weekend but Pirate Invasion...but you'll miss the Baebes if you do come then. Decisions can sometimes suck mightily. I suggest you come both weekends, and if you need a place to stay to keep costs down, let me know. I can, at the very least, hook you up the Baebes weekend. I might even be able to do so Pirate weekend, but the sleeping space will be more at a premium...I have half the Corsairs that weekend. Lemme know! We'd be happy to have you (and more than just you if you want the space for the Baebes weekend, as I won't have any other guests). |