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19 May 02 - 01:50 PM (#713563) Subject: Bag of Tobacco From: Gypsy I googled, i JC'd, and not having a luck This is a renaissance-e type tune. Any one have the ABC or gif on this? Or know where i could find it? Thanks, all |
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19 May 02 - 02:10 PM (#713583) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bag of Tobacco From: Dicho (Frank Staplin) Bluegrass, folk or what? Any lines? |
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20 May 02 - 01:18 AM (#713763) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bag of Tobacco From: John in Brisbane Gypsy, I checked out the Tune Finder and Fiddlers Companion at Ceolas - with no obvious success. There are several tunes with the word 'tobacco' on them but none sound very renaissance like to me. Regardsm John |
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20 May 02 - 01:26 AM (#713765) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bag of Tobacco From: John in Brisbane Could it be this one?
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20 May 02 - 03:47 PM (#714062) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bag of Tobacco From: Gypsy I do believe it is! Thankee kindly, John. Where'dja find it? |
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20 May 02 - 03:58 PM (#714068) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bag of Tobacco From: MMario There words to this or just the tune? |
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20 May 02 - 06:10 PM (#714138) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bag of Tobacco From: greg stephens That's interesting. I just recorded "Dear Tobacco" on the latest Boat Band CD and it's quite different from that version quoted: where did you get it? |
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20 May 02 - 06:38 PM (#714158) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bag of Tobacco From: masato sakurai John in Brisbane's post seems to be from HERE. ~Masato |
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20 May 02 - 08:37 PM (#714244) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bag of Tobacco From: John in Brisbane Yep, dead right! I had actually glossed over this entry, but re-considered the fact that the Dorian mode might be what you were chasing. Greg, I haven't gone back to look, but from memory there were a few references to Dear Tobacco at Fiddler's Companion. Regards, John |
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21 May 02 - 02:43 AM (#714350) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bag of Tobacco From: John in Brisbane Greg, there is a reference to a 2/2 tune in G in the Ceolas TuneIndex, but the reference to a book titled 'Bill Charlton's p. 20' means nothing to me. I couldn't find the cross reference in the bibliography on that site. Regards, John |
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21 May 02 - 05:39 AM (#714402) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bag of Tobacco From: greg stephens John and Masato: many thanks for that info. The version I have came from Cumbrian sources and seems to be a quite different tune(also Dorian mode. Just how different I shall shortly dicover, I am trying to decipher the abc notation but I'm finding it a bit laborious!). The Fiddler's Companion entry glosses "dear" as meaning "expensive" which of course it can, but judging by the way tobacco was written and sung about in songs from the same era as the tune, I would feel the sense of "dear friend" would be more likely. Just because tobacco takes a lot of stick nowadays shouldn't blind us to the fact that a lot of people were(and still are) very fond of it! |
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21 May 02 - 06:10 AM (#714408) Subject: RE: Tune Req: Bag of Tobacco From: greg stephens Great, I've mastered abc notation. Well the version John quoted is different from mine but obviously from the same family, I would guess they both derive from the very popular song "Tobacco is an Indian Weed" which dates from 100years or more earlier(1700ish), which deals with the philosohical reflections induced by smoking a pipe."Tobacco is an Indian weed/ Grows green at morn is cut down at eve/ It shows our decay we are but clay/ Think on this when you smoke tobacco". I imagine searching under that title would throw up an early version of the tune, and perhaps Gypsy's "bag of Tobacco" is another member of the family? Where did you hearthat title, Gypsy? The song was later reworked by various divines (notably Samuel Wesley) who kitted it out with assorted tunes and more improving words of a specifically Christian nature (rather than the general philosophical musings of the earlier printed versions). |