Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm

06 Jun 02 - 03:49 AM (#724103)
Subject: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: rich-joy

That "Significant Other" of mine (Poor Misery), keeps pestering me to ask about the Latin version of "Old MacDonald's Farm" that "Guest,Ray" alluded to in another thread earlier this year - I did ask in that one, but got no takers. Can anyone point me in the right direction?? Thanks and Cheers! R-J

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06 Jun 02 - 05:12 AM (#724136)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: GUEST

Macdonaldus senex fundum habuit.
e-i-e-i-o.
et in hoc fundo, nonnullas boves domesticas habuit.
e-i-e-i-o.
cum moo moo hic,
cum moo moo ibi.
hic una moo, ibi una moo,
ubique una moo moo.
Macdonaldus senex fundum habuit.
e-i-e-i-o.

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06 Jun 02 - 05:27 AM (#724143)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: fogie

and......
Tres mures tres mures,
Ecce currunt, ecce currunt,
Sequnter agricolae feminam,
Caudas ( e a de secuit cultro)
Mirabile spectaculum visu,
Trium murium, Sorry about the 4th line It was 40 yrs ago!

(line breaks added by a Joeclone)

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06 Jun 02 - 05:47 AM (#724150)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: fat B****rd

Shouldn't that be Pig Latin. Atfe Astardbe

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06 Jun 02 - 06:26 AM (#724158)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: allie kiwi

Oh dear Lord.

And I thought Latin was a dead language? Guess I shouldn't be too shocked - I did see Dr Suess's 'The Cat in the Hat' in Latin on sale in Borders awhile back...

Allie

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06 Jun 02 - 07:58 AM (#724208)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Malcolm Douglas

Not to mention Winnie Ille Pu...

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06 Jun 02 - 11:11 AM (#724345)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: George Seto - [e-mail]

I know I have it in Gaelic somewhere. Want that version?

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06 Jun 02 - 11:43 AM (#724375)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Mr Happy

we used to sing 'old mcdonald had a farm, f-a-r-m and on that farm he had some cows, c-o-w-s' etc

it was a sort of fun spelling game

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06 Jun 02 - 11:48 AM (#724381)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: GUEST

Thank you, Mr Happy

You have enhanced all our lives...

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06 Jun 02 - 11:57 AM (#724389)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: wysiwyg

Won't be complete unless we get the version Seamus Kennedy sings, in Latin, AND Gaelic. *G*

~S~

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06 Jun 02 - 12:05 PM (#724399)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Deda

You can find almost any Latin lyrics to anything if you go to Latinteach.com and get on their chat group, post a query. They're as fast as mudcatters to answer queries, my other very favorite virtual community -- although I've dropped out since I'm not teaching much anymore.

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06 Jun 02 - 02:56 PM (#724547)
Subject: Lyr Add: SENEX MACDONALDUS HABUIT FUNDUM
From: GUEST,Ray

Im sorry I missed your message on the previous thread but perhaps this will make up for it. The words I use are by Dave Summers a song writer and folk singer of prodigous talent. I stole it of one of his albums and as I have no real understanding of latin you must forgive any errors. So here goes

Senex Macdonaldus habuit fundum
e-i-e-i-o.
et in hoc fundo, habuit carnem.
e-i-e-i-o.
cum woof woof hic,
woof woof ibi.
hic woof, ibi woof,
ubique woof woof
Senex Macdonaldus habuit fundum
e-i-e-i-o.

Senex Macdonaldus habuit fundum
e-i-e-i-o.
et in hoc fundo, habuit bovem.
e-i-e-i-o.
cum moo moo hic,
moo moo ibi.
hic moo, ibi moo,
ubique moo moo.
Senex Macdonaldus habuit fundum
e-i-e-i-o.

Senex Macdonaldus habuit fundum
e-i-e-i-o.
et in hoc fundo, habuit galenas. (chicken)
e-i-e-i-o.
cum chuck chuck hic,
chuck chuck ibi.
hic chuck ibi chuck,
ubique chuck chuck.
Senex Macdonaldus habuit fundum
e-i-e-i-o.

Senex Macdonaldus habuit fundum
e-i-e-i-o.
et in hoc fundo, habuit anetras. (duck)
e-i-e-i-o.
cum quack quack hic,
quack quack ibi.
hic quack, ibi quack,
ubique quack quack
Senex Macdonaldus habuit fundum
e-i-e-i-o.

Senex Macdonaldus habuit fundum
e-i-e-i-o.
et in hoc fundo, habuit porkem.
e-i-e-i-o.
cum oink oink hic,
Oink oink ibi.
hic oink, ibi oink,
ubique oink oink.
Senex Macdonaldus habuit fundum
e-i-e-i-o.

Senex Macdonaldus habuit fundum
e-i-e-i-o.
et in hoc fundo, habuit vinem. (wine this is a latin joke)
e-i-e-i-o.
cum hic hic hic,
hic hic ibi.
hic hic, ibi hic,
ubique hic hic.
Senex Macdonaldus habuit fundum
e-i-e-i-o.

And thats it. Its a bit of a tongue twister to learn but once the form is fixed it becomes easier. It does tend to lend itself to being sung relatively fast

If you want a copy of the recording let me know and somehow Ill get a copy of to you.

Anyway good luck

Ray

(line breaks added by a Joeclone)

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06 Jun 02 - 03:02 PM (#724549)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: MMario

Ray - that final verse looks like it would be a killer to sing...

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06 Jun 02 - 03:08 PM (#724556)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy

there is a famous Finn (famous in Finland anyway!) by the name of Dr. Ammondt who has recorded and performs Elvis's and other early rock and roll songs in Latin. Check out his web site sometime.

http://www.cc.jyu.fi/~thrafool/ammo.htm

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06 Jun 02 - 03:13 PM (#724563)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: mousethief

There is an excellent recording by Sandra Boynton (of board-book fame) and friends which includes a generous chunk of "Old MacDonald" in Latin. It's a spoof on the "Chant" phenomenon of a few years back, and is called "Grunt."

See this page: http://www.boyntonfordmusic.com/products.htm

Alex

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06 Jun 02 - 04:12 PM (#724639)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Deda

God, I just love this -- I would really have sworn that I was the only latin-and-folk-music-lover in the wide, wide world, in totum orbem terrarum -- and look at all these great posts!

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06 Jun 02 - 04:16 PM (#724648)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: mousethief

Deda, I'm not sure that "latin music" is the proper term -- it rather has other overtones. :o)

Alex

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06 Jun 02 - 04:18 PM (#724652)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: GUEST

Latin is fabulous.

Of all the 'O' levels I took Latin (apart from Maths and English, perhaps) is the one that has proved to be most useful.

I never need to know about 'Ox Bow canals' (geography) or 'The Principle of Momemts' (physics) but the understanding of language that learning Latin has given me, means that I make use of that part of my education every day.

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06 Jun 02 - 04:23 PM (#724661)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: mousethief

Lucky dog! I was furious when I got to high school and discovered they weren't teaching Latin. I've felt it a gaping hole in my education ever since.

Alex

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06 Jun 02 - 04:23 PM (#724663)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: GUEST

'Ox Bow canals' should probably read 'Ox Bow lakes'

'The Principle of Momemts' should certaily read 'The Principle of Moments'

It's been a while

My point about studying Latin being a good idea does however remain

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06 Jun 02 - 04:24 PM (#724667)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: mousethief

And I still agree!

Alex

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06 Jun 02 - 04:25 PM (#724670)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: MMario

according to various members of the academic world (against whom my mother fought a losing battle to retain latin in our educational system) a good curriculum of spanish or italian is "as useful or more so then latin"

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06 Jun 02 - 04:32 PM (#724680)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: mousethief

Only for ordering burritos or linguini. For understanding the English language and European culture, Latin has to be my choice.

Alex

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06 Jun 02 - 05:53 PM (#724745)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Deda

I'm a latin tutor. If you'd really like to start to learn it now, PM me and I can recommend books for self-study as well as web-sites for grammatical exercises.

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06 Jun 02 - 06:24 PM (#724775)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: mousethief

Thanks Deda, but at this point in my life it's a matter of time. I have Wheelock's 7th edition but never the time to work with it.

Back in high school would have been the perfect time to learn it, doggone it. Maybe when more of the kids have flown the nest.

Alex

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06 Jun 02 - 08:48 PM (#724852)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: DonD

Salve, Deda et alii:

My father was a Latin teacher and I has the privilege of being in his classes. Probably the most valuable and lasting education I've had.

His fame in his High School was acting out Caesar's attack on Vercingetorix by climnig on his desk with the window pole while declaiming. He also isisted that someone in the class oplay Cataline while a chosen student excoriated him. I can picture it now, the poor miscreant bowed in shame, covering his eyes from the verbal lashes.

But on the musical side (and was he ever non-musical) he wrote a fight song for the school football team (which I was coincidentally recalling just today, after almost sixty years)_ and he had it printed up on little cards to hand out at the games, with one side in English and the other side in Latin. Sadly, it was so behind the times that neither side caught on -- except with me.

Relating toother current threads, I relate Latin in the US to soccer/football -- beautiful to those who know it, but just too much trouble to understand for most.

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07 Jun 02 - 07:59 AM (#725126)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: rich-joy

I've just printed out the song versions above and handed them to the requesting Significant Other "Poor Misery". He is OVERJOYED at the Mudcat response and says "THANKS MA-A-A-A-TE!!!!" As I write, he is tormenting me with his attempts at producing this song ... (Thanks you guys)
Cheers from Down Under!! R-J

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07 Jun 02 - 12:31 PM (#725323)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: fogie

Dont forget the Kippers AWAYDAY a parody on Gaudete. havent got the time to quote it at present.

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08 Jun 02 - 12:01 PM (#726037)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: John MacKenzie

Caeser asum am furte
Brutus eterat
Caeser sic in omnibus
Brutus sic in et
Excuse the spellings if they are wrong, I learned this 40 years ago while at school, using the oral tradition, and never saw it written down......Giok

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08 Jun 02 - 06:54 PM (#726208)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Mark Cohen

Te cano patria
Candida libera
Te referet
Portus et exsulum
Et tumulus senum
Libera montium
Vox resonet

Got it?

Aloha,
Mark

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08 Jun 02 - 07:00 PM (#726211)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Lanfranc

Latinus lingua mortua est
Ut mortua ut mortua esse potest
Romanos antiquos necabat
Et nunc me necat!

40 years sloughed off as I recalled that bit of doggerel.

Thanks for old MacDonald - was it written by a Campbell!

Alan

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08 Jun 02 - 07:01 PM (#726212)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: GUEST

Giok,

Caesar ad sum jam forti
Brutus ad erat
Caesar sic in omnibus
Brutus in is at

was the way I learned it

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09 Jun 02 - 01:08 PM (#726578)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Moleskin Joe

At school I learned "I Belong to Glasgow" in Latin. It started Civis Glasguensis, Glasguensis sum. I can't remember the rest of it now.

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09 Jun 02 - 01:27 PM (#726584)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Haruo

And yet no one will give me a tune for "Malo, I would rather be" (a rather clever bit of minimal macaroni)? Cur?

Liland

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09 Jun 02 - 03:12 PM (#726640)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: fat B****rd

The only Latin I can muster after 42 years is "pilae tibi magna vagina" For whatever reason I wish I'd bothered to learn more. Valete from Spurius Magnus.

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09 Jun 02 - 03:28 PM (#726654)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Deda

Liland -- I'm sorry you haven't gotten an answer about the malo malo (etc) ditty. Have you tried Latinteach.com? I'd think you could fit it to various children's tunes, you just need something with four strong beats to a line, and four lines. (Trochaic -- quadrameter? What's greek for "four"?)

Bonam fortunam!

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09 Jun 02 - 05:54 PM (#726735)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Herga Kitty

If I remember rightly, there used to be an inscription on a bench in the University Parks, Oxford, which read:

"Ore stabit fortis arare placet ore stat".

Kitty

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09 Jun 02 - 07:09 PM (#726779)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Haruo

"Tetra", Dēda, credō. Grātiam agō! Latinteach.com conābor!

Lelandicus Brŷans Rox (gen. Lelandicī Bryantis Rossis)

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09 Jun 02 - 09:08 PM (#726832)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Haruo

Thanks, Deda! Latinteach.com does look like fun (though their archives are awash in popup ads; and I thought GeoCities was bad that way!) and I have already posted to them twice. Hope they don't mind a non-teacher interloping.

Liland

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10 Jun 02 - 12:15 AM (#726871)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Mark Cohen

That's a good one, Herga. Of course, "arare" is the name for those tasty little Japanese rice crackers. They're very popular here in Hawaii. Just thought you might like to know. And no one's yet given the answer to "Te cano patria". But, hey, that's America for you.

Aloha,
Mark

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10 Jun 02 - 02:03 AM (#726893)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Haruo

What do you want to know about it, Mark? It's a cute translation.

;-)

I've been digging around at the Latinteach.com archives that Deda recommended, and have come up with... ta-da...

Dacelo sidet in eucalypto,
rex laetissimus omnis silvae:
ride dacelo ride dacelo:
felix avis sis.

Got it? ;-)

Liland

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10 Jun 02 - 06:37 PM (#727197)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Mark Cohen

Yes I do, but why would Felix's sister be renting a car from Avis? And in Australia, no less?

Aloha,
Mark

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10 Jun 02 - 10:36 PM (#727225)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: GUEST,[e-mail]

I am wondering why you (Deda) wrote in totum orbem instead of in toto orbe????something like that..isn't it accusative when you mean "into" and ablative when you mean "in" or "on" or am I misremembering. Shame on me. I figured as long as I remembered some Latin I might get into heaven.

mg

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13 Jun 02 - 09:04 AM (#729099)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Coyote Breath

I LOVE the Senex Macdonaldus! I am going to learn it, pronto! The only "latin" I know is: "Illigitimus non carborundum" I too (mousethief) regret not having had latin in HS. My catholic friends knew bits and pieces and a couple of them attended a Catholic High School and had it taught them. One of the funniest scenes of Monty Python's "Life of Brian" is when Brian is "corrected" by the centurion!

CB

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14 Jun 02 - 03:02 AM (#729745)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Wilfried Schaum

Latin, alas, will go down in Germany due to a change in the high school system. I am the last of my family who had the chance to start with Latin as first foreign language and to learn Greek and Hebrew, too. Poor daughters of mine who hadn't the chance any more, only poor 4 years of Latin.
But in the late 19th century a lot of students enjoyed their skills in Latin and Greek translating famous German student and folk songs into these languages. I happen to own a not so small book with such translations, entitled Allemannia.

Wilfried

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14 Jun 02 - 03:20 AM (#729748)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Jeanie

At the risk of being told off (and quite rightly) for a temporary diversion into another language altogether, Wilfried and others who speak German and English will be interested in the following poem from one of my favourite books: "Moerder Guss Reims", complete with annotations by the learned Professor Leberwurst. The poem MUST be read aloud. When you do, you will see why.

Kocher dudel' Du Mai, dem ass los der Schuh.

Mai Mast es los. Dies Feder links tick'

An Dutzend. Nu, Worte Du !

There are many more where that came from, for example "Dick Wien auf Harz, sie meid' samt Arzt".

Sorry for the Germanic diversion. Entschuldigung !

- jeanie

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14 Jun 02 - 08:37 AM (#729855)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Micca

or..
Civile, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
Gnoses mare,thebe trux
Vatis inem?
Causan dux!

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14 Jun 02 - 07:01 PM (#730248)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Deda

I think I did in fact make a mistake with that "totum orbum" thing. What I was trying for was "the entire circle of the lands" which is latin for "in the whole wide world" and it's something like "totum orbum terrarum". Accusative can be used for destination, for duration, extent, various things, not just direct object. But you're absolutely right, "in" requires the ablative in this situation, so it should be "in orbi tota terrarum", assuming orbs, orbis is feminine, which I'm not sure about. If not, then "in orbi toto terrarum". So guest mgarvey, if Latin is a pass into heaven, you'll beat me to it. Optime!

Mark's patriotic ditty was "My country, tis of thee", and Liland's song is "Cuckaberry sits in the old gum tree... Laugh, cuckaberry, laugh cuckaberry, etc." Micca's is a particularly delightful piece of nonsense which I won't give away right away. It has to be said out loud with Latin vowels. I've also seen the first line as "Sibille, si ergo," which may or may not help at all.

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15 Jun 02 - 01:05 AM (#730372)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Haruo

Deda, I would not turn down "Vale, vale, Miss American Pie", but in the meantime I think I'll steal all of your Latin phrases for use on my Latin webpage.

Gratiam maximissimam ago!

Lelandico

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15 Jun 02 - 02:05 PM (#730565)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Deda

Lilandice,
Littera privata tibi misi. I've sent you a personal message with the "Crusta Americana" lyrics. If you're not sure how to access them, go to "Personal Pages" and look around, you'll find it.

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17 Jun 02 - 02:47 AM (#731282)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Wilfried Schaum

Lectoribus benevolis salutem!

A short critique of the Macdonald versions:
Macdonaldus senex fundum habuit ... et in hoc fundo nonnullas boves domesticas habuit ...
Sounds pretty classic, but is too long to fit the tune. Considering the original "a cow", the other translation should be preferred:
et in hoc fundo habuit bovem (or vaccam)
Wrong/correct forms et in hoc fundo habuit carnem canem
et in hoc fundo habuit galenas. (chicken) gallinas, better sg. gallinam
et in hoc fundo habuit anetras. (duck) anates, better sg. anatem
et in hoc fundo, habuit porkem porcum
et in hoc fundo, habuit vinem vinum
Allow me to discuss some grammatical and technical problems.
Considering the number of syllables allowed by the tune, the translations into Latin should be kept as short as possible. Albeit Latin prefers habere, possidere for the substantial possession, the dativus possessivus is not ruled out. In this case we should recur to it. For the sake of brevity I shouldn't object to leave out the habuit in the first line and define the past by a fuit in the second one:
Macdonaldo seni rus ...
Et in rure fuit bos ...
(Rus, not only the land in general, but also a defined part of land; the same as fundus or villa: a farm)
... Et in rure fuit canis
... Et in rure fuit gallina
... Et in rure fuit anas
... Et in rure fuit sus
I still remember the English version my English master taught us at school which we sung with joy. To enliven the Latin lessons one can use the Latin version, too; I think my alternate version will make it easier for the children.

If you want to hear the weekly news in Latin, switch to: http://www.yle.fi/fbc/latini/, a service of Radio Finland.
A Web periodical in Latin you'll find at http://www.uky.edu/ArtsSciences/Classics/retiarius/

Since Winnie ille Puh was mentioned, let me tell you about some more translations in my shelves: Tristitia salve : fabula amatoria / Francisca Sagana. E Gallico in Latinam sermonem conversa ab Alexandro Lenardo. - Paris: Julliard, 1963. (Here we find "Aqua vitae modo Scotorum praeparata"; a name which needs longer to be pronounced than the fluid to be gulped)
You have guessed it: Bonjour tristesse / par Francoise Sagan
And naturally not to be forgotten: this jolly fierce fighter from the shores of Gaul. In 1973 the first volume Asterix le Gaulois was translated into Latin: Asterix Gallus, published in Stuttgart by Ehapa Verlag. The book is a runner and has a lot of reprints, the last one in 2001.
My Latin version of Pinocchio has vanished mysteriously; maybe it shows up again in one of my daughters' dens.
There also is a Latin version of Haegar terribilis; I don't know whether this Danish Viking cartoon is known in America.

Valete Wilfried

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17 Jun 02 - 05:18 AM (#731311)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Mark Cohen

Jeanie, it sounds like the book you mentioned is a me-too version of Mots d'Heures -- Gousses, Rames (sorry, can't do accents), which was published in 1967 by Luis D'Antin Van Rooten. The German version sounds equally brilliant. Does it also include academic-sounding footnotes "explaining" the often bizarrely-phrased "poems"? For example:

Un petit d'un petit
S'etonne aux Halles
Un petit d'un petit
Ah! degres te fallent...

The footnote to the first line says: "The inevitable result of a child marriage."

And Micca's ditty reminds me of this one that I learned from my Latin teacher:

FUNEM? SVFM.
FUNEX? SVFX.
OKILFMNX

Aloha,
Mark

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17 Jun 02 - 07:53 AM (#731355)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Wilfried Schaum

Oh, oh! I was too tired this morning. Instead of "et in rure fuit ... " "hoc in rure ..." sounds far better.
So let's try it again:

Macdonaldo seni rus;
hi-a-hi-ha-ho.
Hoc in rure fuit bos;
hi-a-hi-ha-ho.
Cum muh-muh hic,
muh-muh ibi;
hic muh, ibi muh,
ubique muh-muh.
Macdonaldo seni rus;
hi-a-hi-ha-ho.

...
hoc in rure fuit sus ...
cum oink oink ibi ...

...
hoc in rure fuit mus ...
cum quic quic ibi ...
and so on.

Cantibus gaudete
Wilfried

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17 Jun 02 - 07:58 AM (#731359)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Wilfried Schaum

Oh, oh! I was too tired this morning. Instead of "et in rure fuit ... " "hoc in rure ..." sounds far better.
So let's try it again:

Macdonaldo seni rus;
hi-a-hi-ha-ho.
Hoc in rure fuit bos;
hi-a-hi-ha-ho.
Cum muh-muh hic,
muh-muh ibi;
hic muh, ibi muh,
ubique muh-muh.
Macdonaldo seni rus;
hi-a-hi-ha-ho.

...
hoc in rure fuit sus ...
cum oink oink ibi ...

...
hoc in rure fuit mus ...
cum quic quic ibi ...
and so on.

Cantibus gaudete
Wilfried

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17 Jun 02 - 01:58 PM (#731542)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: SharonA

I'm so glad that Wilfried brought up the issue of the translation of "e-i-e-i-o" (as, he says, "hi-a-hi-ha-ho"). Now, "hi-a-hi-ha-ho" works if you consider it to be an approximation of the noise "e-i-e-i-o", but if you consider "e-i-e-i-o" to be a string of letters, as written, than the translation would have to be:

epsilon - iota - epsilon - iota - omicron!

(which, of course, doesn't fit the meter of the song, but would be fun to sing anyway!)

Sharon

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17 Jun 02 - 02:01 PM (#731545)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: SharonA

Oh, wait... That's Greek... Then what would the Latin letter-names be?

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17 Jun 02 - 03:28 PM (#731603)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Deda

To get those sounds using the Latin phonemes, it would go (long)i, ae, i, ae, (long) o -- n'est-ce pas? But I don't know the Latin names of the letters.

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17 Jun 02 - 05:28 PM (#731686)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Haruo

It occurs to me this might be the place to get an Itsy-Bitsy Spider translation. I've posted a request that has so far gone unrequited here. Latin would be welcome, or anything else (I only know it in English and Esperanto).

Liland

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17 Jun 02 - 06:00 PM (#731713)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Jeanie

Yes, Mark, Moerder Guss Reims is the German sequel to Mots d'Heures: Gousses, Rames - complete with the "learned" annotations. I'm delighted to find another fan of these brilliant books ! They were written by John Hulme who worked as an interpreter in the Royal Air Force.

Here's a good one:

Dick Wien (1) auf Harz, sie meid' samt Arzt

Orlon ass, um er steh. (2)

Der Neffe Fahrt sehr stolz (3); sie tat's

Und Tuch dem Reiterweh. (4)

Footnotes:

(1) The Viennese are noted for their love of good food and they tend to put on weight as a result. (2) The poet advises the fat people of Vienna to eat resin in order to avoid the doctor and Orlon in order to remain upright. (3) "The nephew is very proud on the journey." He was probably ashamed to be seen out with them before, even assuming that they could get into his car. (4)"She put a cloth in the car so they would not suffer from rider's pain." The delicacy of this line conceals a reference to an ailment to which so many who lead a sedentary life and eat all too well are martyrs.

Another of my favourites is the line from "Goosey, Goosey Gander" : "Who wouldn't say his prayers", which is "translated" as "Hu ! Bodensee Express".

- jeanie

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29 Jun 02 - 11:49 PM (#739630)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Haruo

Salve, Mike!

Good to see somebody take me up on the invitation. There are no interlopers at the Mudcat; only GUESTs. ;-)

Another recent thread any Latin teachers nosing about hereabouts should visit is Teaching Latin, Using Latin. I forgot to mention it on Latinteach.com.

Liland/Lelandice

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05 Feb 03 - 03:03 AM (#882872)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Wilfried Schaum

Another Latin version: Look on this page for Gaius est agricola
The sounds produced by the animals, although, are not totally satisfying, since they are not described onomatopoetically as in the original, but by verbs (yours truly's humble opinion).

Wilfried

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05 Feb 03 - 12:42 PM (#883237)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Schantieman

LOL, Sharon!

I shall pass this entire thread on to our classics department!

Steve

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05 Feb 03 - 03:29 PM (#883378)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Latin form of Old MacDonald's Farm
From: Sandy Mc Lean

I knew Old Mac Donald well!
He could speak no Latin but Gaelic was his mother tongue.
                Slainte,
                   Sandy
   

Seann Mhac Dhomhnaill

        Seann Mhac Dhomhnaill. gu robh` ait aig ,
I ai I ai o
Air an aite bha aige cearcan,
I ai I ai   o
Le glug-glug siud agus glug-glug seo
Seo glug, siud glug, a h-uile h_`aite glug-glug
Seann Mhac Dhoinhnaill. gu robh ait aig ,
I ai I ai o.


Seann Mhac Dhomhnail1 gu robh `ait aig
I ai I ai o,
Air an aite bha aige tunnagan,
             I ai I ai o        
Le glag-glag siud agus glag-glagL seo,
Seo glag siud glag h-uile h-`aite glag-glag
,Seann Mhac Dhomhnaill gu robh ait aig
I ai I ai o.

Seann Mhac Dhomhnaill gu robh ait aig ,
I ai l ai o,
Air an aite bha aige geoidh
I ai I ai o,
Le hong-hong siud agus hong-hong seo
Seo hong siud hong, a h-uile h-aite hong-hong
Seann Mhae Dhomhnaill gu robh ait aig
I ai I ai o.
        
Seann Mhac Dhomhnaill gu robh ait aig ,
I ai I ai o
Air an aite bha aige crodh,
I ai I ai o,
Le mu-mu siud agus mu-mu seo,
Seo mu siud mu a h-uile h-aite mu-mu,
SeannMhac Dhomhnaill gu robh ait' aig ,
I ai I ai o


   (*from the late Hugh F. MacKenzie, Christmas Island. Recorded in

   the Cape Bretoniana archives.)

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