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20 Jun 02 - 12:51 PM (#733737) Subject: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Peter T. The long lost Lowe's servaline genet has been captured on film. here! A good day for the animal kingdom, given the general crumminess of what is going on. yours, Peter T. |
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20 Jun 02 - 01:02 PM (#733742) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Mrrzy Great! And only a couple of weeks after Yell,"Fudge!" at the Cobras in North America Day, which was on June 2 (I'm getting into these obscure holidays things...) I thought that apt, for a member of the mongoose family! |
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20 Jun 02 - 01:20 PM (#733753) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: katlaughing Very kewl!! Thanks, Peter! |
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20 Jun 02 - 03:38 PM (#733853) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: JenEllen Oh, great. Yes, it may be somewhat 'kewl' to see photographic evidence of a species we haven't seen for years, but how much of a benefit is it to the animal? Did you know that Tanzania's forest resources are managed by the oxymoronic agency of the Ministry of Natural Resources and Tourism? Which do you think brings in more attractive money? Or that Tanzania has an 8-fold resource action program where wildlife management ranks #7 on the list (just above conservation)? And even with the glorious management tools in place, the country still manages deforestation at anywhere from 130,000 to 500,000 hectares a year? Not exactly skittles and beer for an animal that lives in the trees. Given the overall environmental climate (as well as the BBC report of 'we hope to learn more' which in real terms means scientists, and to my mind a waste of money, when they know darn good and well how to 'save' an area but instead try to 'manage' deforestation) I think our dear genet would have done much better to have gone somewhere else for dinner that night. Some things are better lost. ~J |
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20 Jun 02 - 03:40 PM (#733854) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: JenEllen Tanzania Profile |
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20 Jun 02 - 04:12 PM (#733876) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Peter T. Of course everything you say is true, African conservation is mostly oxymoronic, but lost and found is still better than lost and gone forever (wait, sounds like a song coming on).... yours, Peter T. |
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20 Jun 02 - 04:18 PM (#733878) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: MMario oh my darlin', oh my darlin', Lowe's Servaline genet You were lost and gone forever, so we thought my dear genet Then a photo, caught your image and they put it on the web
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20 Jun 02 - 05:25 PM (#733912) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: JenEllen You schmos....Don't you know the rules of engagement? No fair making me laugh when I'm trying to be all indignant and self-righteous. I can't very well chastize our attempts at scrabbling back into Eden with "In a forest, in a country/ Deep in darkest Afri-kay/ Lived a darling little creature/ We had thought had gone away/ Oh m'darlin, oh, m'darlin..." humming through my head, now can I? ~J |
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20 Jun 02 - 07:25 PM (#733977) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Amos Bitter perspectives branching from the same pages as Peter's story: orangutangs are being thrown into retreat by illegal logging opertations in the Indonesia forests, the first primate to vanish since the 1860s is being given up for lost, and the brightest and best of British minds are putting their latest brilliant invention on display -- a cellular phone that fits inside a single human tooth. You hear it through bone vibratory conductance. Makes life _so_ much easier, doncherknow! On the brighter side of things, we were just missed by a space-wandering rock the size of a football field, which came close enough on its way by to be INSIDE the orbit of the moon, and our brightest and best didn't even see it coming until it was past and on its way out into the endless realms out past the Milky Way's thinner edge. The question at the bottom of this is the old Gaiean paradigm -- if the planet is a single huge organism, after a fashion, then we, presumably anyway, are it's thinking part (since we boss all other organisms around) -- its brain cells. And I am terribly worried about this, because I don't think we're qualified. On the other hand, maybe brain cells don't have to be individually smart as long as you hook enough of them together, and the cell-phone-in-your-tooth is just the trick, huh? I wish I coudl be more confident about that hypothesis!! LOL! Actually we didn't think the genet had gone away -- we were never positive it ever existed, since all we had to go on was one 70-year-old pelt. My great-aunt, she of the bristly white moustache, had the same basis for asserting that she was real, and I never quite bought that, either...but I was much younger then. :>) A |
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20 Jun 02 - 08:00 PM (#733997) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Peter T. MMario, you have struck gold again (miner, 49er, and his, etc.)
The idea that we are the brain of Gaia is so ridiculous, the asshole is more like it (given the wasteful evidence) -- certainly would explain the absurd human rectitude. This experiment with hypercephalic apes is not working out!!!!! |
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20 Jun 02 - 08:20 PM (#734008) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Amos Hypercephalic apes, Peter? Apes penetrating the periodic table and painting the Te Avae No Maria? I don't think so. This gives a whole new meaning to rectitude!! LOL!! But I only meant that what Homo sap does seems to define what's available for other species to do in a lot of areas, the encroachment mostly increasing by the decade. I concur that as a species we certainly seem to be peeeing in our own nest; but I certainly don't think of _you_ as a member of a hypercephalic apes species. Well, maybe what it is is the taxonomy is flawed -- I suspect there may be two or three distinct species running bodies that just look like each other. Viz, Homo Sap, Homo media-sap, and Femina sapienta. On the other hand, maybe hypercephalic apes think such things about themselves also. How are you at sign language? A |
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20 Jun 02 - 11:26 PM (#734073) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: JenEllen Humans? The thinking part? So you're telling me that for all these years our heads have been up our collective asses for the warmth? Humans are manipulators. No other species would possibly need to divine a periodic table, just for the sheer fact that they don't try to manipulate the system. You may see certain biologic processes, okay, perhaps tool usage, sure, but blind capacity for destruction? We're alone on that one. What other species would need to invent a god to tell it what it does is okay? And no one else bitches about the price of gas. (btw: animals that can talk only have the vocabulary we've given them--so that's not a fair analogy) The part I find ultimately ridiculous is that humans will continually try to find a solution to a problem that will be beneficial to them (homo saps) and not us (earth dwellers). If you want to take it down to medical terms, we would be more like a malignant tumor than a brain. We function independently, encroach at will, and will more than likely kill the system we are inhabiting before we are through. ~J
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21 Jun 02 - 12:20 AM (#734086) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Amos No-one else knows about the price of gas, J!! It's a species secret. :>) Actually, I can't think of any other species that even knows about gas. Read you loud and clear on mass destruction... but I keep thinking about that Gauguin painting mentioned above and thinking how glad I am he was able to use those tools, at least. This is not a rationalization, just ...a spark of optimism in the face of all evidence. I have no apologies to make for the _bad_ brain cells! :>) And it should be clear that the mass insanity is not inherent in the species, at least - you are walking proof it isn't, I would guess. Besides, if you will read what I wrote, you'll noticed I made my attitude about it clear. If you don't like the analogy, it's fine with me not to use it; I don't think the Gaiea hypothesis ever acquired much scientific weight, after all. Perhaps "bully on the block" would be more appropriate? As for why "we" have our heads up our collective asses, I can't offer a general explanation -- I think you gotta deal with those things on a case-by-case basis!! One person's decrepitude is another person's rectitude, after all! :>)
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21 Jun 02 - 05:22 AM (#734164) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: JenEllen Bullshit. I'm as bad as anyone else. I went looking for that insecticide this week, remember? Did I stop to figure out keystone insect species in my area? If the insecticide would affect the spring and the pond? Nope, I just wanted to kill me some bugs. I'm as human as anyone else (but for those of you keeping score, I didn't actually BUY any of it--I chickened out). Animals live in necessity and humans live in choice. Sad thing being that we continually make bad choices, either out of pride or ignorance, simply because we want things the way we want them. And don't get me wrong, Gauguin's work --even the strange headless cows-- leaves me weak at the knees, but I fail to see how it is relevant to a discussion on environmental health and species extinction. |
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21 Jun 02 - 07:58 AM (#734231) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Amos I think it was offered as an exception to the hypercephalic apes charge. A |
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21 Jun 02 - 08:49 AM (#734248) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Peter T. Just because we are often beautiful doesn't mean we aren't deadly. (I got that from an old Mata Hari film). I would say that the Gaia hypothesis remains what it always was: one of the great hypotheses, if by greatness you mean what rearranges and initiates a whole field of scientific research. yours, Peter T. |
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21 Jun 02 - 08:59 AM (#734254) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: MMario Gaia is my great-neice. I don't think she has an hypothesis. leastwise I didn't see one when I changed her diapers. |
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21 Jun 02 - 09:08 AM (#734266) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Amos Mata Hari!! What a totem! We are not of life -- we are spying on it!! LOL!! The deadliness is a problem, all right, PT, no question; but the same capabilities are the only source for a solution, unless we rub ourselves out as a species and drop the whole tool-using notion as a Bad idea!! Which would be another great hypothesis but one which probably would not get published, I expect!:>) I keep thinking we are growing up, one lifetime at a time; it may be an illusion but I am not ready to abandon it yet, please! :>) A |
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21 Jun 02 - 10:43 AM (#734293) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Peter T. No no, the opposite. We are becoming increasingly juvenile. All the evidence points to juvenilization. yours, Peter T. |
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21 Jun 02 - 10:57 AM (#734302) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: katlaughing Uh, so it's not "kewl" after all?:-) |
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21 Jun 02 - 11:20 AM (#734314) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Amos Geeze, Peter!! I just told you I didn't want to give up my illusions, and you go and tug at them anyway!! LOL!! But you'll have to tug harder than that. For one thing, horrible as our current rate of self-slaughter seems, it is a lot less rampant than it was 200 years ago. Especially when you factor out the advances in leverage from technology. I suppose Rwanda was an exception. For another, at least in my lifetime in the West, I think there have been significant advances in intrahuman tolerance. For a third, I think there are significant adsvances in ecological consciousness raising -- global conferences of the sort that never would have occurred in the first quarter of the 20th century, for example; well-established environmental defense groups where once there were just scattered granolae. Enhanced global communications, admittedly not being put to their best and greatest use. A wider range of insights into various mental and spiritual models (some of which are off the end of the bell chart, admittedly). The Mudcat itself! Given these trends, although the dramatic exceptions continue to be as troubling as ever, I would submit that "all the evidence" does not in fact point to juvenilization. I do think we see fewer really stellar thinkers than we did in the more isolate, analog world prior to 1970. But I am reluctant to interpret the randomness of a transition as a catastrophic trend. That would be throwing out the baby with the whirlwind. A
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21 Jun 02 - 11:43 AM (#734321) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Amos Add to the Waring Blender the following observations from George Gilder, who is of course biased.
Life After Television
"From the National Association of Broadcasters in Washington to a conference of NewsCorp on Heyman Island in Australia, they laughed when I waved my arms and recited the theme of a chapter of my 1989 book Microcosm, predicting "The Death of Television." They yawned when I parlayed it into a book the next year called Life After Television. Those were the days when the broadcasters ruled the air and imagined that the fumes of their programming and advertising smelled like roses along the road to the future rather than the fragrant residue of horses and buggies. "Television, so I said, was a top-down, lowest-common-denominator broadcast system attempting to extend a paradigm of dumb-terminals or boob tubes into a world of ever-smarter computers. It would die. They took me aside and confided in a whisper that "of course it was a boob tube-because the people are boobs." The broadcast execs knew it-"from market surveys." "I continued year after year to make my case. Advances in digital processing power-the already familiar Moore's law-would converge with a newer, less heralded, but even more heroic expansion of fiber optic networks to yield a "worldwide web of glass and light" with smart terminals at the edge. With vast gains in the viewer's control over both timing and content, the longstanding top-down, master-slave, couch-potato culture would give way to a world of pullulating variety, choice, and intelligent interactivity.
"As I have been saying for more than a decade, this vision is coming true, "any day now." In 2002, at last, you can watch it unfold. Driven by chips and optics, the Internet has already displaced television as our chief information medium. Now yet another technology-one that I utterly failed to foresee in the 1980s-is spurring the disruption of television as an entertainment medium. With the slower-than-expected roll-out of last-mile broadband connections, hard-disk data is emerging as the real TV killer. With the cost per megabyte of storage dropping a thousandfold since the mid-1990s-from a dollar a megabyte to a dollar a gigabyte-low-cost hard- drives now enable consumer-class devices that can store, shift, and de- louse weeks-worth of video. "The huge bandwidth advantages of cable and satellite have been slowly transforming broadcast television for three decades. But while they greatly expanded choices, they did not address even more important issues: flexibility and time. "
It would be a fine thing indeed to see technology bring Jeffersonian visions closer to fruition. I am not holding my breath (having learned it is counterproductive) but it is a good vision, I'd say, and a reasonable hope. And the Jeffersonian vision of an informed populace driving more rational policy is the only path away from anarchy that I can see working longterm. A |
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21 Jun 02 - 12:16 PM (#734329) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Peter T. I meant physically juvenile, but also, given our production systems which are designed to harvest the juvenile phase of natural systems, and television, mentally. According to the most recent numbers, Americans are now watching TV on average 24 hours a week, on average. "Greatly expanded choices?" Er. I presume you are speaking of The Golf Channel, a symbol I suppose of our emerging maturity, or at least paunches. So it moves over to the Internet. Yawn. I cannot imagine how anyone could see the bloodbath of the last century, and what is going on now around the world, as a diminution of historic violence. The whole point of the last hundred years was mass murder on a gigantic scale. "When you factor out the advances in leverage of technology" -- What the hell does that mean? I am baffled. For the first time in history we can vaporize practically everyone -- this is progress?
The only place where your technococoon dream is happening is in small enclaves of rich people, presumably where you live, me too, thank god, sucking dry the world's resources to binge on their own complacent dreamy optimism. It is unsustainable, and the forces against it are gathering, or hadn't you noticed? The "leverage of technology" will allow you to kill many of the ones you are worried about, all those unhappy people at the gates, but it won't kill them all. A few will get through the gates of Rome Inc., and they will leverage the technology their own way, those shiny airplanes and those big tall buildings for instance. yours, Peter T. |
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21 Jun 02 - 12:35 PM (#734332) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: JenEllen Juvenile, yes. This thread is a growing example of that. I remember way back in the foggy, murky...what was it... yesterday? That this was once a discussion about something besides ourselves, and where does it inevitably end up? With a serious case of the gimme-gimmes. Gimme beauty, gimme truth, gimme optimism. Terrifying. I suppose one has to wonder just how this is going to affect that genet (who I'm only assuming knows nothing of hypotheses, but still manages to tread lighter than all of us combined) |
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21 Jun 02 - 12:44 PM (#734336) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Peter T. Oh well, then, gimme my marbles, (especially the big green and blue one with the white swirls), and I am going home!!!!! (Mom, she says we are being juvenile, crumbs. I am going out to play with the genet, be back sometime around dinner). Crumbs. yours, Peter T. |
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21 Jun 02 - 12:47 PM (#734337) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Amos Peter, with all the affection and respect in the world, I need to say: It may be that many live the way you describe; the techno-dream at large is not one of cocooning, among those I talk to. It is the kind of engineering that seeks to make renewable energy an economic choice, provide water and education to those who suffer for their lack, and expose the kind of insanities that hide behind curtains of isolation and make political denial easy. All these are barriers to a more rational mode of being on the planet. As for the barbarians at the gate apocalyptic take on our current time slice, I can only say that people have been proposing doom for us and the planet since 100 years AD, and using everything from aliens to comets to virii to Mongols to the wrath of fictitious entities (Bugs will get even with you) (oh--wrong cartoon, sorry! :>)) and the ruinous escape of nuclear energy into the water supply to provide substance to their horrible visions; we have managed somehow to move forward, raise children, and try to promote some concept of good, of rational solutions, or coherent and harmonious systems. If I were to choose an enemy to be truly afraid of it would be apathy among the aware few, not the irresponsibility of the hypnotically-dulled many. I have been told that more humans died in the American Civil war than died in World War II; I haven't counted them, and unfortunately don't have time to track down the numbers right now. I also believe that in the noosphere at large there is far more articulate voice committed to ending war completely than there has ever been before. I take these as thin threads of hopeful future among a large cloud of noise and dubious signal; forgive me if it seems to you I am being naive. I am more than willing to just agree to disagree, if you would rather!! :>) Warmest regards,
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21 Jun 02 - 01:48 PM (#734351) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: katlaughing What is the difference between apathy of the aware few and being hypnotically-dulled? I know what you meant, but I think it's more the apathy of the mass consciousness which would include latter and which causes one to despair. Indeed, I think hope lies in the aware few, though in the Great Scheme of Things, what may be the salvation of the world could be a LOT different than what human's would like to believe and may spell the end of the conspicuous consumer species. |
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21 Jun 02 - 03:24 PM (#734371) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Amos Hiya, kat! Well, the way it seems to me is that those who look and can see the issues can make a change; those who will not look, or cannot look (for whatever reason) most likely cannot, at least intentionally. . But those who look, see and then turn away are, to me, the seeds of sorrow. That said, it also seems to me -- and perhaps you agree -- that it is often a lot trickier than it seems to know how things will unfold from one or another turn, and threads that seem lost often bloom up before your very eyes, fed by things you wot not of. As for the Great Scheme of things and what may be the etcetera, what do you have in mind? Great Floods? Last Trumps? Gaia's Revenge? Mother Ships Have Finally Had Enough? Cockroaches Get Organized? Poles Flip? Earth Stops, Everyone Falls Off? Pacific Tsunami Reaches Denver? :>) Kindest regards, A |
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21 Jun 02 - 03:47 PM (#734376) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: MMario This whole discussion reminds me of an SF story a few years back - where a man gets catapulted forward in time - and the "few aware" remaining were drudging their lives away trying to maintain a bare minimum living standard for the "hypnotically-dulled" masses |
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21 Jun 02 - 05:02 PM (#734388) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Amos That wasn't the future, mate; that was a documentary! A |
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21 Jun 02 - 05:07 PM (#734389) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: DonMeixner But what do they taste like? Don |
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21 Jun 02 - 06:14 PM (#734435) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Amos Sulphur and brimstone, I am told!:>) A |
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22 Jun 02 - 08:43 AM (#734687) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Peter T. According to this week's Economist, 60% of Americans play video games -- average age 28. yours, Peter T. |
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22 Jun 02 - 02:27 PM (#734782) Subject: RE: At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Amos PT: Is that a doomsday metric of some kind? I don't think I inderstand the association exactly.... A |
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22 Jun 02 - 04:57 PM (#734843) Subject: RE: BS:At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Peter T. A sign of increasing juvenilization is short term memory! yours, Peter T. |
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22 Jun 02 - 10:45 PM (#734999) Subject: RE: BS:At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Amos So you're saying that playing video games at age 28 is a symptom of juveniliation? I can sort of see that. Except that I imagine a generation before, a similar percentage watched "friends" or some such with comparable periodic disassociation; and a fourgenerations before that, they glued their ears to radio broadcasts of the local basketball game or the Series or a hockey tournament. I haven't seen evidence, although that doesn't mean much, that playing video games reduces maturation or is somehow inherently more iimmature any more tha watching I Love Lucy reruns or Bonanza or John Wayne (although it might say something about deteriorating taste!!):>) What's the link to short term memory? Best regards, A
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22 Jun 02 - 11:03 PM (#735003) Subject: RE: BS:At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: catspaw49 ga-ga-goo-goo-burble-burble-caca-caca-hoo-hoo-whaaaaa.......... Spaw (over the edge) |
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23 Jun 02 - 12:22 AM (#735018) Subject: RE: BS:At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: JenEllen Through various and detailed research, I can find no evidence that any of the subfamily Viverrinae has ever played a video game. |
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23 Jun 02 - 01:07 AM (#735039) Subject: RE: BS:At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Amos You are quite right, there. Jen -- apologies for the thread drift. A |
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23 Jun 02 - 01:12 AM (#735041) Subject: RE: BS:At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: MMario well - duh! they've been out of touch for 70 years! Where would they find a video game? (sorry - couldn't resist) |
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23 Jun 02 - 07:48 AM (#735106) Subject: RE: BS:At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Peter T. I wonder if the servaline genet hid out for 70 years because of the name? If you move the letters around it spells Vaseline regent. Not that that would automatically keep you in the woods....yours, Peter T. |
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23 Jun 02 - 10:39 AM (#735170) Subject: RE: BS:At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: JenEllen On the contrary...in some countries, your name would be up in lights. |
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23 Jun 02 - 10:56 AM (#735186) Subject: RE: BS:At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Amos ...paired with the Regina Viagrina Volenta? **bg** A |
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23 Jun 02 - 11:37 AM (#735206) Subject: RE: BS:At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Peter T. At a Loew's theatre, of course. (It is a hot Sunday, what can you do).....yours, Peter T. |
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23 Jun 02 - 12:02 PM (#735216) Subject: RE: BS:At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Amos Flourish, prosper, and boldly go, P.T.!! The matinee still has room. A |
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23 Jun 02 - 12:37 PM (#735224) Subject: RE: BS:At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Amos C~~~~~~~E7~~~~~~~ Servaline, servaline F~~~~~~~~~~~~~F6 Rarest thing I've ever seen D7~~~~~~~~~~~~~G~~~~~~~~~ Makes the world a bit more green G7~~~~~~~~~~C To see a servaline
Photo camera on a tripwire rack
He don't play no video game He doesn't need a Pokemon Servaline, oh servaline,
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23 Jun 02 - 01:18 PM (#735234) Subject: RE: BS:At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Peter T. As I was photovating over the hill I caught Servaline in a flash with fill; Hadn't been seen since 25 -- Spots on her bumper, sneakin' side to side-- Servaline, why can't you be true? Oh, Servaline, what brings you in view? You done started back doin' the things you used to do! |
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23 Jun 02 - 02:42 PM (#735261) Subject: RE: BS:At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Amos Love it, PT!! Historic first -- Song Challenger entry from Mt Olympus...I mean, Mount Toronto!! Regards, A |
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23 Jun 02 - 06:03 PM (#735359) Subject: RE: BS:At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Peter T. Prompted by your excellence in the guide pony challenge. yours, Peter T. |
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23 Jun 02 - 09:27 PM (#735463) Subject: RE: BS:At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: JenEllen Now I can see just why the genet retreated to the forest for seventy years. We'll follow MMario's astute assumption that the reason the genets don't play video games is because they've been in the deep and dark for seventy years and don't have the technology. Fair enough. That would also mean that the genets haven't access to computers? Equally fair assumption. That would mean with the biologic factors that it does have at its disposal, a genet that wished to get into a pissing contest that spanned four time zones and a few thousand miles would have to be something like two and one half miles tall at the shoulder; a scientific impossiblity once you consider the oxygen levels that high in the troposphere supporting such an organism, as well as the animal itself completing the arc calculations needed to combat gravitational pull and earth rotation in an attempt to scent mark across an entire continent. Swing us a vine, Tarzan, we're outta here. |
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24 Jun 02 - 12:09 AM (#735522) Subject: RE: BS:At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Amos A genet that wished to mark the continent, as you describe, Jen, need only create the apparent accident of setting off a human trip-wire camera and getting its photo in the news. He can then retire to obscurity in the deep woods, laughing quietly to himself, confident that his selected servo-biotes (us) will do all the pissing in the wind he needs for him, using all the latest gimmicks!
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24 Jun 02 - 12:35 AM (#735524) Subject: RE: BS:At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: katlaughing Point missed, JenEllen...Xena awaits our arrival on Lesbos! |
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24 Jun 02 - 01:00 AM (#735532) Subject: RE: BS:At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Amos Sorry to disappoint, but there was nothing missed, Katia. But you girls go have your fun. assuming you can pass the physical... I'll send Nathan along too -- I am sure you'll get on smashingly. You can teach him/her the ropes. A
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24 Jun 02 - 02:48 AM (#735561) Subject: RE: BS:At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: JenEllen A lot of two-word invectives are springing to mind at the moment....Tell you what, just pick your favourite, or maybe one you've always liked but haven't heard in a while, and just sit on that one, okay? Xena can kiss my ass. I deal with the real earth, and it's no secret I have spent an inordinate amount of my lifetime in taking care of the creatures on it, with as much of a kind heart and compassionate mind as I can. If situations such as this are joke fuel for you, so be it. I don't have to have truck with it or with you. |
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24 Jun 02 - 03:45 AM (#735570) Subject: RE: BS:At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Amos Jen, you are one of the kindest and most compassionate people I know , and your care for the creatures of earth is a source of wonder and respect to me. I am not sure what "situations like this" refers to, but please accept my apolgies for any offense -- none intended. A
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24 Jun 02 - 07:16 AM (#735621) Subject: RE: BS:At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: katlaughing Condescending bullshit and where to stuff it springs to mind among a few others which probably shouldn't be printed here. Sorry, JenEllen, that the seriousness of the situation was not appreciated and discussed. |
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24 Jun 02 - 07:52 AM (#735640) Subject: RE: BS:At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: DonMeixner Hi Jen, My singular post not-withstanding I think this is a major discovery. We have lost far too many living things to encroachment and human vanity that it is a treat to have one discovered again. Perhaps its a sad thing it was rediscovered. I will be thrilled as well when the Ivory Billed Woodpecker is pound alive in Texas. White and Grey Rhinos are everywhere on plains in Asia and Africa. Please don't mistake our silliness for a lack of support or enthusiaism. Don |
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24 Jun 02 - 09:38 AM (#735697) Subject: RE: BS:At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Amos Yeah, what Don said. Kat, my apologies -- it was condescending bullshit -- but you shoulda seen the first draft!! -- and it seems it was misplaced and not deserved. Consider it withdrawn, if you will. Send me a note if you want to discuss it further. A |
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24 Jun 02 - 10:42 AM (#735731) Subject: RE: BS:At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: katlaughing I have no wish to discuss anything further with you, Amos. Apology accepted. Let it go. Don, that was kind of the way I was thinking, too, until JenEllen made her points, way back up there at the top. |
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24 Jun 02 - 11:24 AM (#735751) Subject: RE: BS:At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Amos Oh, my; not exactly a friendly repsonse. Maybe I could borrow your list of crude remarks about stuffing, then? I think I could use a few of them. I was trying to offer a decent apology, and you just had to get snotty about it, eh? Never mind the list, I can come up with my own remarks for that kind of crap. If Tarzan's all done with that vine, send it over here -- I have better parts of the forest to walk in. A |
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24 Jun 02 - 11:33 AM (#735759) Subject: RE: BS:At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: JenEllen Hi Don, Thanks for taking the time to come back and put your two cents in. Much appreciated. You are correct, this is a major discovery, and I'd be lying if I said there wasn't dancing in the biology building on the day the news came down, but the realization slowly sinks in that we have lost far more than we'll ever gain. Example? About ten years ago, a pair of 'new' animals were found in Vietnam, the Vu Quang Ox and the Giant Muntjac (Pseudoryx nghetinhensis and Megamuntiacus vuquangensis, if ya feel like doing homework) --all to the same fanfare, aren't we humans SO lucky? The discovery makes the papers, big news on planet earth, we can all sleep a little better at night, right? The fact that these animals were 'found' because Vietnam has roughly 10% of it's 1st growth rainforest left after Agent Orange and deforestation? I dunno about you, but I must have been out of the room when Dan Rather was talking about that on the news....And I completely missed the broadcast where 3 of the Vu Quang Ox were captured and taken to the Hanoi zoo....Or the broadcast 6 months later where all three of them were dead. They must have shown that on the big networks, right?? (the Hanoi zoo is another fight altogether---where else do you see placards on cages with the animal's name, habitat, and pharmaceutical useages? Maddening) Like you, I will be thrilled when the Ivory Billed Woodpecker returns, or when Africa is a safe place for man or beast, but until then? Silliness is all well and good, up to a point, and is easily forgiven, but what you are left with after that is a very enlightening look at the human animal. It sort of reminds me of a kid cleaning out his room, ya know? "Oh wow, this was my favourite toy! I thought I'd lost it!" and a week later the mess is back the toy forgotten in favour of other silly diversions. The upsetting part here was that it took not a week, but one day for us to forget. For me, it's 'here we go again!'. Like I said, Don, thanks for your time and care (for the record, I hear they taste like chicken...*bg*) and for what it's worth, walk a little softer today, who knows, you might get to liking it. *ebg* ~JE
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24 Jun 02 - 12:19 PM (#735793) Subject: RE: BS:At last!Lowe's servaline genet returns! From: Peter T. A friend of mine once remarked that losing a species was like walking down the basement steps in the dark and a step is missing. It captures that sick sensation better than anything I know. The Vietnamese example also reminds me of the hill tribes -- all these unique cultures and ecosystems clinging to remote high hills and the top edges of things as the flood of the rest of humanity rises around them. yours, Peter T. |