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10 Jul 02 - 02:11 AM (#745598) Subject: BS Some old Salty-Dance Remix From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull I heard this on BBC Radio 2, I am not sure who it is by (possibly Dido?), have you heard it?, if so what do you think to it? |
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10 Jul 02 - 04:39 AM (#745640) Subject: RE: BS: Some old Salty-Dance Remix From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Surely somebody must have heard it! |
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10 Jul 02 - 05:01 AM (#745643) Subject: RE: BS: Some old Salty-Dance Remix From: greg stephens sorry john,i think you have your own music in Hull, as well as your own telephones. I know Lal Waterson's Some Old Salty...has someone remixed it and added a bit of Dido? You'll have to tell us more. My mum's called Dido, incidentally. She lives in Eastbourne, but I dont she think is involved in any dance remix projects. At least, she's never mentioned it to me. |
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10 Jul 02 - 08:29 AM (#745730) Subject: RE: BS: Some old Salty-Dance Remix From: Snuffy Anybody got the real words to this? I'm sure there's lots of mondegreens in the way I would sing it! WassaiL! V |
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10 Jul 02 - 11:02 AM (#745816) Subject: RE: BS: Some old Salty-Dance Remix From: wysiwyg Psssst! John! This isn't a BS thread! ~S~ |
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10 Jul 02 - 11:41 AM (#745852) Subject: RE: BS: Some old Salty-Dance Remix From: greg stephens pssssst! WYSIWYG! You never know with John from Hull |
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10 Jul 02 - 12:21 PM (#745877) Subject: RE: BS: Some old Salty-Dance Remix From: Noreen The Some Old Salty (Waterson) link at Dick Gaughan's website doesn't work for me, Snuffy. |
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10 Jul 02 - 01:00 PM (#745902) Subject: RE: BS: Some old Salty-Dance Remix From: Noreen John, don't think it can be Dido, I've been through all her websites and it's not mentioned. |
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10 Jul 02 - 01:15 PM (#745912) Subject: RE: BS: Some old Salty-Dance Remix From: GUEST Noreen, Try this link |
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10 Jul 02 - 01:40 PM (#745924) Subject: Lyr Add: SOME OLD SALTY From: Noreen Thanks, O kind anonymous one! SOME OLD SALTY
Chorus:
Salt fare, North Sea, weird stare. Further than the eye can see.
Repeat chorus
Hull Fair waltzers, bopping to Brenda Lee.
Repeat chorus
Down there for the dancing, come on Mr Chester please.
Repeat chorus
Repeat verse one
Down 'The Abercrombie'
Recorded by Lal Waterson & Oliver Knight: Once in a Blue Moon From http://wwwmcc.murdoch.edu.au/~gillard/watersons/once.html#some NK |
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10 Jul 02 - 05:18 PM (#746046) Subject: RE: BS: Some old Salty-Dance Remix From: Snuffy Thanks, Noreen. I was never sure whether it was 'Jerry Lee' or 'Dairylea', and I had 'tank-top' for 'stance off', among others. Can't say the real words make a lot more sense than mine, though. WassaiL! V |
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10 Jul 02 - 07:22 PM (#746110) Subject: Tune Add: SOME OLD SALTY From: Snuffy Here's a go at the tune (BTW there's another chorus between 'Repeat Verse 1' and 'Down the Abercrombie').
X: 229 With an original line-up of Lal Waterson, Maria Gilhooley, Norma Waterson, Jim Boyes, Barry Coope, Lester Simpson and Oliver Knight, I can't see any re-mix being an improvement. WassaiL! V |
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11 Jul 02 - 12:59 AM (#746263) Subject: RE: BS: Some old Salty-Dance Remix From: Garry Gillard Thanks, Snuffy. I put the extra chorus in. Garry That's not a transcription, btw, that's from the CD insert. |
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11 Jul 02 - 11:28 AM (#746540) Subject: RE: Some old Salty-Dance Remix From: Noreen Thanks for your good work, Gary. |
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11 Jul 02 - 11:40 AM (#746548) Subject: RE: Some old Salty-Dance Remix From: Noreen So no-one else heard this 'dance remix'.. it wasn't your vivd imagination now was it, John? *grin* |
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11 Jul 02 - 03:08 PM (#746705) Subject: RE: Some old Salty-Dance Remix From: Les from Hull Although this song dates from a time slightly before mine I'll try to help with some of the references.
Hull Fair waltzers, bopping to Brenda Lee.
River boat jazz cruise... I imagine that Lal had someone in mind from her youth when she wrote this song. |
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11 Jul 02 - 04:31 PM (#746744) Subject: RE: Some old Salty-Dance Remix From: Linda Kelly Les from Hull, the fragrant Maggie and my good self perform this little number in a kind of three part harmony thingy. Don't know about a dance remix -I don't think any of us wear the proper sort of shoes! |
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12 Jul 02 - 02:54 AM (#746981) Subject: RE: Some old Salty-Dance Remix From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Noreen-i was sure I heard this, but I was half asleep, so i suppose it is possible that I dreamed about it! I even listened to a dance radio station, to see if they would play it, i could not handle that for long though, as it was giving me a headache, so it was back to Radio 2! |
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28 Jul 02 - 09:31 PM (#756133) Subject: RE: Some old Salty-Dance Remix From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull itson radio 2 NOW. |
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28 Jul 02 - 09:40 PM (#756135) Subject: RE: Some old Salty-Dance Remix From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Brilliant! I finally cracked the mystery of this song, it is by Chumber Wumber (not sure about the spelling)! And belive it is called Salt Fare. if any UK catters are still awake, have a listen to Radio 2, there are now playing a tune with mandolins played on it, they are playing some good music, but the DJ wumon is a bit annoying, I think shes called Lin Parsons, i wish she'd shut up and just play the music.john |
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29 Jul 02 - 07:45 PM (#756638) Subject: RE: Some old Salty-Dance Remix From: GUEST |
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07 Oct 02 - 09:10 PM (#798580) Subject: RE: Some old Salty-Dance Remix From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull refresh, Hull Fair is here now, the mystery was eventually solved, it was Chumber Wumber, not sure if thats how you spel it, and they sung it at this yeers Cambridge Folk Festibal. Local mudcat people Linda Kelly, and Les from Hull sing a good version of this song as well. |
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08 Oct 02 - 05:20 PM (#799114) Subject: RE: Some old Salty-Dance Remix From: Les from Hull I didn't think that I was going to like the Chumbawumba version, but I do. |
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09 Oct 02 - 11:38 AM (#799509) Subject: RE: Some old Salty-Dance Remix From: Trevor I've got a recording somewhere of Norma Waterson giving some background to this. I'll see if I can dig it out. |
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09 Oct 02 - 05:29 PM (#799809) Subject: RE: Some old Salty-Dance Remix From: phil h Gets sung regularly (not the dance mix) on Sunday evenings in the Tap & Spile Witby by Mel (daughter of Derek & Dorothy) Elliot, I think it's on the CD they put out recently. Phil |
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10 Oct 02 - 05:34 PM (#800629) Subject: RE: Some old Salty-Dance Remix From: Willa Snuffy, Les has explained some of the phrases Like many 'personal' songs, the lyrics make sense if you know a bit of local background. This is only my interpretation, but it's the picture I have in my mind when I sing the song. Lal was in her teens in the '50s, Jelly Roll (Morton) and Jerry Lee (Lewis) were both famous piano players, (jazz and rock'n'roll respectively) though Morton died in 1941. Local dance halls in the 50's often used records for dancing. Lal's 'old salty' was probably a trawlerman. Local lads went 'pleasuring' on the trawlers in the North Sea and distant water grounds from the age of about 11, then went to sea on leaving school at 14, so a man in his late 20s had often been a trawlerman for half his life. The 'weird stare, further than the eye can see' was that of a man used to scanning the horizon. Trawlermen were at sea for about three weeks, ashore for a 2/3 days, so didn't have time to find their 'land legs', and walked with the typical rolling gait of a sailor. 'Head like a toy shop' is a bit more difficult to explain, but this excerpt from The Guardian goes part way towards it "Wednesday January 9, 2002 The Guardian In the 1950s, almost 8,000 trawlermen worked out of Hull…. If they had a good haul, and the markets were favourable, they could walk away from the dockside "settlings" with their pockets stuffed with cash. They had 72 hours to enjoy it. Hence their nickname, the three-day millionaires… Despite their macho image, the trawlermen had a surprisingly dandyish streak. One tradition of the men was a visit to their tailor to be measured for something stylish - high waistbands, wide bottoms, moon pockets, in a range of colours, from sky blue to shocking pink. …" Combine this with the fact that the men used Brylcreem or hair oil and groomed their hair carefully, think of an Elvis toy, and you've more or less got the picture. Eliza Carthy sometimes posts on Mudcat, so she may add to the thread with some first hand info. |
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10 Oct 02 - 05:46 PM (#800640) Subject: RE: Some old Salty-Dance Remix From: Les from Hull That's excellent, Willa - I agree with what the Guardian says except I don't remember pink suits - sky blue seemed to be the colour to go for. And although the suits were all similar, everyone wanted something different, three vents, a half-belt at the back, turn-ups on the jacket sleeves. This would be late 50s, when I was 'nobbut a bain'. |
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11 Oct 02 - 11:52 AM (#801143) Subject: RE: Some old Salty-Dance Remix From: JamesBerriman "Salt fare North Sea" is track 1 on the new Chumbawamba album "Readymades", which also features the voices of Dick Gaughan, Kate Rusby and Janet Russell (guest vocalist). The album gets a good review on Amazon. See Chumbawamba - Readymades. ( :-]) James |
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29 May 03 - 12:06 AM (#960988) Subject: RE: Some old Salty-Dance Remix From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Thanks James, I heard that Chumba Wumba, are playing at Beverley Flok Festival next month. |
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16 Jun 03 - 12:18 PM (#967046) Subject: RE: Some old Salty-Dance Remix From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull I,just,bought,the,CD,what,James,mentioned. Its,really,nice.john |
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05 Oct 09 - 09:16 AM (#2738774) Subject: RE: Origin: Some Old Salty - Dance Remix From: GUEST,Bobbie Great to hear all this wisdom on the song...my husband heard the song on Folk on 2 ...I think it was a live version sung by the remaining Watersons as a tribute to Lal....would absolutely LOVE a recording of this version as we both liked the unproduced feel of it...anyone know if it is available for purchase? |
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05 Oct 09 - 11:54 AM (#2738883) Subject: RE: Origin: Some Old Salty - Dance Remix From: Willa Bobbie This might interest you. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Some-Old-Salty/dp/B001ILJ93E |
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05 Jul 11 - 09:33 AM (#3181759) Subject: RE: Origin: Some Old Salty - Dance Remix From: GUEST,BarryE Anyone seeing this before the evening of Sunday 10th July 2011 can hear Lal Waterson and Oliver Knight singing 'Some Old Salty' followed by Chumbawumba's 'Salt fare, North Sea' on Genevieve Tudor's Sunday Folk on BBC iPlayer. |
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27 Jun 16 - 11:58 AM (#3797917) Subject: RE: Origin: Some Old Salty - Dance Remix From: GUEST,Guest - Karen Impola Zombie thread alert! I just came across this song on the Martin Simpson/Andy Cutting/Nancy Kerr album "Murmurs", and started looking into it. At about 1:45 into this video, you can hear Norma, Eliza, Martin and some other folks (can anyone identify them?) do a live version. And in the comments, someone called Taueret says "my Dad's jazz band,the 2-19 is mentioned". There's one mystery solved. Lovely song, isn't it? |
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27 Jun 16 - 12:51 PM (#3797924) Subject: RE: Origin: Some Old Salty - Dance Remix From: Reinhard Karen, the extended Waterson family is from left to right, Oliver Knight, Rachel Straw, Ann Waterson, Martin Carthy, Norma Waterson, Mike Waterson, Marry Waterson, Eliza Carthy, and Eleanor Waterson. |
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27 Jun 16 - 03:56 PM (#3797951) Subject: RE: Origin: Some Old Salty - Dance Remix From: GUEST,Guest - Karen Impola Thank you, Reinhard! |
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14 Jul 19 - 03:03 AM (#4000650) Subject: RE: Origin: Some Old Salty - Dance Remix From: GUEST,Kate Fascinating stuff. Was The Abercrombie the name of a Hull dance hall, then? |
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14 Jul 19 - 06:04 AM (#4000674) Subject: RE: Origin: Some Old Salty - Dance Remix From: GeoffLawes Salt Fare, North Sea- Chumbawamba (with lyrics) YOUTUBE |
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04 Mar 24 - 10:58 AM (#4198500) Subject: RE: Origin: Some Old Salty - Dance Remix From: GUEST My dad (Ted Blackshaw) played trumpet and piano with the 2-19 jazz band (1957-60ish). Bands would play on the ferry across the Humber. The 2-19 also played at the Blue Bell where the Watersons sang. |