Lyr/Chords Req: Jack Clueline ? Clewline?

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Lyr/Chords Req: Jack Clueline ? Clewline?

31 Jul 02 - 12:21 PM (#757586)
Subject: Jack Clueline ? Clewline?
From: MMario

Box thirty, item 39 at the Levy sheet Music site - the cover page image is "broken" - and this is evidently a partail piece - though they qoute the entire first line of chorus which is NOT visible on the one page...

Song starts "Topsails aback, the ship hove to, the berry head bore due north"

anyone know this?

The title at Levy is 'Jack Clueline' but it might well be spelled Clewline.

31 Jul 02 - 12:39 PM (#757591)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Jack Clueline ? Clewline?
From: catspaw49

No help except to say it's "clewline"......The "clew" is the lower rear corner of a sail, the front lower corner being the "tack" and the upper point corner the "head."

Spaw

HEAD
*   *
*    *
*    *
*      *
*       *
*       *
*         *
TACK*CLEW

31 Jul 02 - 12:52 PM (#757594)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Jack Clueline ? Clewline?
From: MMario

yup - that's why I provided both spellings - this is an OLD piece of sheet music - the text actually reads "topfails aback the fhip..." using the long "s" that looks like an "f"

31 Jul 02 - 03:20 PM (#757661)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Jack Clueline ? Clewline?
From: EBarnacle1

I don't know the song but I would like the lyrics.

31 Jul 02 - 03:25 PM (#757669)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Jack Clueline ? Clewline?
From: MMario

Hopefully someone will have it somewhere....

01 Aug 02 - 09:02 AM (#758057)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Jack Clueline ? Clewline?
From: masato sakurai

HERE'S THE LINK to the sheet music; image of the cover doesn't come up. The description at the Levy is:

Title: Jack Clueline. A Celebrated Sea Song.
Composer, Lyricist, Arranger: Composed by Mr. Moulds.
Publication: Philadelphia: B. Carr's Musical Repository, n.d..
Form of Composition: strophic with chorus
Instrumentation: piano and voice; flute
First Line: Topfails* aback the ship hove too the berry head bore due north west
First Line of Chorus: the Surgeons art no more could do at 3 P M poor Jack did die
Performer: Sung by Mr. Harding
Subject: Seamen
Subject: Death
Subject: Courtship & love
Subject: Burials at sea
Call No.: Box: 030 Item: 039

* should be "Topsails"

~Masato

01 Aug 02 - 11:47 AM (#758170)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Jack Clueline ? Clewline?
From: masato sakurai

No mention of this song in Spaeth's History of Popular Music in America; Hamm's Yesterdays: Popular Song in America; Dichter & Shapiro's Handbook of Early American Sheet Music 1768-1889; Sanjek's American Popular Music and Its Business, vols. 1-2; Mattfeld's Variety Music Cavalcade: Musical-Historical Review 1620-1961; and some other books.

01 Aug 02 - 01:01 PM (#758211)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Jack Clueline ? Clewline?
From: MMario

wow! Even for NEGATIVE results - that's impressive!

01 Aug 02 - 01:04 PM (#758218)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Jack Clueline ? Clewline?
From: greg stephens

The date would intrigue me. In which period of time did they use f instead of s, and also PM for afternoon?

01 Aug 02 - 01:11 PM (#758222)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Jack Clueline ? Clewline?
From: MMario

Today I had the time to mess around at Levy - (when there is a broken image I often try altering the links to see what is "around" it"

PAGE TWO!! with more verses!

01 Aug 02 - 01:17 PM (#758225)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Jack Clueline ? Clewline?
From: MMario

The publishing company was active from 1793 until 1827 - so it is sometime between those two years.

01 Aug 02 - 01:18 PM (#758227)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Jack Clueline ? Clewline?
From: Uncle_DaveO

The "f", so called, is really not an "f"; it is actually what is properly called the "medial S"; that is, its proper use is for an S in the middle of a word. I grant you, it DOES look sort of like an Italic S.

This was back in hand-set type days, at least as late as the US Revolutionary War. How much later than that, I can't say.

Dave Oesterreich

01 Aug 02 - 01:20 PM (#758228)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Jack Clueline ? Clewline?
From: MMario

Thanks dave - I couldn't remember the name for the medial "s" - but it does look like an "f"

01 Aug 02 - 01:20 PM (#758229)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Jack Clueline ? Clewline?
From: Uncle_DaveO

That was dumb (or at least absent-minded) on my part: It should have read, "It does sort of look like an Italic f."

Dave Oesterreich

01 Aug 02 - 09:50 PM (#758455)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Jack Clueline ? Clewline?
From: masato sakurai

B[enjanin] Carr was in business in Philadelphia since 1793 (through 1831), but "1800: B. Carr gave up his Musical Repository and is listed as Instrument Maker." (Dichter & Shapiro, Handbook of Early American Sheet Music 1768-1889, p. 178)

~Masato

02 Aug 02 - 09:00 AM (#758698)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Jack Clueline ? Clewline?
From: MMario

As far as I can tell from the sketchy information I have found on the net the Repository itself *may* have continued until 1827.

02 Aug 02 - 11:11 AM (#758751)
Subject: ADD:Jack Clueline/Jack Clewline
From: MMario

JACK CLUELINE
(M. Hodges.)
Levy Sheet Music Box 30 Item 39

Topsails a-back the ship hove to,
the berry head bore due north
Well we sounded fa-thoms fif-ty two
and each tar cheer-ly did his best
save one Jack clue-line down be-low
who bro-ken hear-ted there did lie
the sur-geon's art no more could do
at 3 P. M. poor Jack did die.

At 7 bells we fill'd and hauled
And down the channel bravely bore
Each sailor e're the watch was called
Went down poor Clueline to deplore
Says one Will Buntline to the rest
And stop my grog if now I lie
Of Seaman, Clueline was the best
But ah for love poor Jack did die

One Nancy Painter who at Deal
Moved Jack's affections and his fancy
But she no love for Jack did feel
Yet firm hhis heart was fix'd on Nancy
What tho' lifes morring chains did part
And here Will Buntline heard a sigh
He always steer'd by friendships chart
And true to love poor Jack did die.

'Twas at A. M. twixt two and three
Poor Jack we hove into the ocean
And then Will Buntline said to me
His Souls aloft gone for promotion
What tho' his bodys down below
Midst Sharks and Snappers there to lie
May no one here e're false love know
Or like poor Jack despairing die.