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07 Aug 02 - 06:59 PM (#761532) Subject: Now I Remember From: GUEST Bill Clinton is reportedly getting $12 million for his memoirs and Hillary, $8 million for hers. That's $20 million for two people who for eight years repeatedly testified they couldn't remember anything.
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07 Aug 02 - 07:25 PM (#761556) Subject: RE: BS: A Little Good News From: Sorcha If this is the good news, I don't want to hear the bad news....... |
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07 Aug 02 - 09:52 PM (#761617) Subject: RE: BS: A Little Good News From: kendall For once, you can't blame them. It's the people who buy this clap trap who are to blame. |
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07 Aug 02 - 09:58 PM (#761619) Subject: RE: BS: A Little Good News From: michaelr Call that good news? I'm so pissed off right now I can't type straight! I'm sick and tired of seeing scumbags get rewarded for being crooks, while honest working folk get the shaft. It's getting worse all the time, and the worst part about this "good news" is that it makes me feel like an idiot for having moral and ethical standards and playing by the rules! I'd run for public office and steal the public blind myself, except I KNOW I wouldn't be able to stomach myself... Disgusted, Michael |
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07 Aug 02 - 10:09 PM (#761620) Subject: RE: BS: A Little Good News From: Ebbie Reagan? Ford? Mrs. Bush's dog? |
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07 Aug 02 - 10:17 PM (#761622) Subject: RE: BS: A Little Good News From: SINSULL Wait until Hillary runs as VP. Then the "truth" will come out. Might be enough to make me vote Republican - again! |
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08 Aug 02 - 12:37 AM (#761675) Subject: RE: BS: A Little Good News From: Joe Offer Gee, I kinda like Hillary. Seems to be a very intelligent woman. As for Bill and both George Bushes, they're all buffoons. I look at those three, and wonder if they are the best we can come up with. The last president I had any respect for was Jimmy Carter. -Joe Offer- |
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08 Aug 02 - 10:55 AM (#761905) Subject: RE: BS: A Little Good News From: Kim C They will probably need it to pay all their legal bills. ;-) |
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08 Aug 02 - 11:47 AM (#761941) Subject: RE: BS: A Little Good News From: Bill D We have had several presidents who were good "presidents", but flawed people. Clinton was one...as was Roosevelt, and in some small ways, so was Carter..(promoted himself as "nuclear expert" tsk!...)... I'd vote for Clinton again, but assign one Secret Service on permanant 'zipper duty'. |
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08 Aug 02 - 11:53 AM (#761944) Subject: RE: BS: A Little Good News From: MMario three agents - they'd have to take shifts to stay alert. |
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09 Aug 02 - 01:23 AM (#762352) Subject: RE: BS: A Little Good News From: DougR Sorcha: Way to go! :>) Kim C., nope, Hillary has already filed papers necessary to request that the tax payers pay their legal bills. DougR |
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09 Aug 02 - 01:47 AM (#762364) Subject: RE: BS: A Little Good News From: Sorcha How/why do we end up with this kind of people in public service/politics? Is it the nature of the beast or does the beast corrupt? I can't even imagine behaving the way some of these people do......Power corrupts and Absolute Power corrupts absolutey? Or are they drawn to politics because they are already corrupted? I am pretty confused about this. Obviously, Public Service no longer means public service.
John Kennedy was revered when he was President, then it came out about the "other stuff", way back to "Honey Fitz" and John's arranged marriage to Jackie plus all the stuff about the Kennedy/Fitzgerald families and how fake the public image really was. I just don't get it. Are there ANY honest, forthright politicos out there at all? Who?
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09 Aug 02 - 11:43 AM (#762610) Subject: RE: BS: A Little Good News From: Deda I think Paul O'Neil, the current Treasury guy, is pretty forthright and decent as far as I can tell -- but he has a mild speech impediment so he'll probably never make the national "A" list, not telegenic enough. And as career politicians go, John McCain speaks truth to power once in a while. And the Udall family from western states are all decent folks, imho. But the higher the ladder you go, the greater the percentage of creeps and knaves and thieves. |
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09 Aug 02 - 12:43 PM (#762632) Subject: RE: BS: A Little Good News From: DougR I think it all revolves around one word ...power. A stronger aphrodisiac than money. With power, money is no problem. DougR |
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09 Aug 02 - 12:52 PM (#762638) Subject: RE: BS: A Little Good News From: Stilly River Sage I don't think I could stomach a paragon of virtue in high office. The remark about flawed individuals still managing to be good presidents resonates for me. I like Bill and Hillary, but critics need to remember that the nation was subjected to a concerted smear campaign against the Clintons by an old Arkansas rival for the entire time they were in the White House. I don't remember his name--he kept it mostly out of the Whitewater stories. He's the guy who dug up Paula Jones at the eleventh hour within the statute of limitations on her possible complaint, and financed her court case. He's the one who dug out the Monica stuff. I don't want to know about Monica, I don't care about Monica. As people cover their own indiscretions, there's a heckuva lot of dog-wagging going on out there, not just with international crises, but trashing of other people's reputations. It's all pretty hopeless looking from here. SRS
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09 Aug 02 - 02:06 PM (#762677) Subject: RE: BS: A Little Good News From: Mark Clark Many people, perhaps you, will believe any fallacious crap that's thrown at them if they see and hear it day after day after day. Depending on the source, the U.S. taxpayers were bilked out of forty to seventy million dollors in the most thorough investigation any president, perhaps any person, has ever endured. What did they find? Zip, nada, and zilch. It was all just a bunch of rich guys pissed off because Bill whipped their favorite inside trader and wasn't humble about it. As far as I can tell, the Clintons are at least as moral and upstanding as any president and first lady we've had with the possible exception of Jimmie Carter and Abraham Lincoln. I don't mean this as an endorsement of President Clinton's policies, it's just the way things are. I don't care what a president chooses to do with his johnson or other naughty bits together with willing—dare I say anxious—participants and getting a blow job in one's private office is probably standard practice in most of the world's powerful companies as well as countries. I have every confidence that any deeds that merely offend people's religious sensibilities will be properly dealt with by our Creator at the proper time. They aren't things that need worry us here.
Real crimes of I remember when President Reagan assumed office he started referring to the USSR as the “evil empire.” At the time, the US and the USSR enjoyed good relations with trade and cultural exchanges... I thought to myself, &ldqluo;No one is going to buy this load of manure. Surely he'll be laughed out of office.” Boy was I wrong. The press picked it up and reported the phrase every time he said it. Before long, people became accustomed to the idea and began accepting it as fact. Again, I say this not to pass judgement on President Reagan's policies but to show how easily U.S. public opinion is shifted. We are a nation of sheep, seemingly without any national direction or memory. The U.S. currently has a president who's brother was a key figure in bilking millions of U.S. citizens out of their savings through savings and loan scams. Another brother was instrumental in controling election results and limiting the voting rights of thousands of his constituents. His vice president was a key figure in a company, Haliburton, with a long history of political manipulation both in Texas and around the world. Coincidentally a major Haliburton subsidiary, Brown & Root, was a big investor in Lyndon Johnson's career and was rewarded with huge military contracts in Viet Nam and other locations. These “great pirates” don't care which party they buy, as long as the profits keep roling in. In my opinion, taking money from a publisher for a book is a far cleaner and more noble way of earning a living than taking the livlihoods from the rest of us and giving the money to business cronies.
“But that's just my opinion... I may be wrong.” - Mark |
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09 Aug 02 - 02:12 PM (#762682) Subject: RE: BS: A Little Good News From: Sorcha Mark, that is what I was talking about. I don't care what the Politcos do in their own bedrooms--I'm talking about kickbacks, bribery, etc. How do these people reconcile themselves to what they are? |
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09 Aug 02 - 02:14 PM (#762683) Subject: RE: BS: A Little Good News From: Bobert Purdy shameless, if ya ask me. Seems like the big money grab follows the Presidency, irregarless of party afliction, strike that... ahhh affiliation. Okay, so Ralph Nader may not knock your socks off but ask yourself if he would do the Cash Grab after a term of President. I'd rather see a President recieve an annual salary after his term than to see them out running around like well dressed bus station whores. And put 'em to work. Heck, if nothing more than file clerks if, like the current one, that's all they're qualified to do. Bobert |
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09 Aug 02 - 05:08 PM (#762748) Subject: RE: BS: A Little Good News From: EBarnacle1 Bobert, a little of Nader goes a long way. His self-righteousness is overwhelming. He [I hope] means well but I see the fires of the Inquisition behind his absolutism. I would not trust him to betray his personal beliefs for the good of the public. He would probably convince himself that his way is the right way so we should all change. Being around some Bush buddies on this job, I can't exactly say they have any moral high ground. I am not sure some of them have any personal morality to betray. |
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09 Aug 02 - 07:38 PM (#762806) Subject: RE: BS: A Little Good News From: DougR Well, Mark, I think you are right and wrong. :>) Way to go, Bobert! Vote Nader! DougR |
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09 Aug 02 - 07:53 PM (#762810) Subject: RE: BS: A Little Good News From: Lonesome EJ OK, doug, stop encouraging him, dammit. |
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09 Aug 02 - 08:42 PM (#762824) Subject: RE: BS: A Little Good News From: Bill D "...and it's no, no, Nader, no, no, Nader no more- will I voooote for Ralph Nader, No, never, no more!" I am for almost everything Nader is, but he IS a self-righteous, tedious pedant who gripes me that he IS on my side...*grin*....there are many Republicans I'd rather have! |
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09 Aug 02 - 08:56 PM (#762829) Subject: RE: BS: A Little Good News From: truer sound All of us could vote Nader and he stil wouldn't get a single damned Electoral College vote anyway. |
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09 Aug 02 - 08:58 PM (#762831) Subject: RE: BS: A Little Good News From: truer sound I've been a member of this "Music Forum" for one day and so far all I've discussed is Politics. |
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09 Aug 02 - 11:37 PM (#762874) Subject: RE: BS: A Little Good News From: DougR LEJ, Bill D., truer sound: I'll swan, you just don't understand Bobert's strategy! He really doesn't want anyone to vote for Nader, at the last moment, Ole'Bobert is going to launch a write-in campaign for ...Bobert! :>) DougR |
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10 Aug 02 - 10:01 AM (#762999) Subject: RE: BS: A Little Good News From: van lingle After the way the Clintons were kicked around while they were in office by an irresponsible, highly partisan Republican congress I, for one, don't begrudge them lining their pockets with money from their many supporters. Ronald Reagan went to Japan shortly after he left office and was rewarded millions for a few days worth of speaking engagements by way of gratitude for his anti-protectionist policies. And Sorcha,A. Lincoln had what I think is a pretty good answer to your query: "You can't dip clear water from a muddy stream." vl |
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10 Aug 02 - 03:26 PM (#763074) Subject: RE: BS: A Little Good News From: The Pooka Truer Sound, "I've been a member of this 'Music Forum' for one day and so far all I've discussed is Politics." By George, I think he's got it! Newbie no more, yer a True(r) 'Catter now. Very Sound. :) I like the thought, above, that maybe we should beware Paragons of Virtue in powerful offices. (Also Parabolae, Paragliders, Paregoric, Aragorn, Legolas, and Buddy-Can-You-Spare-a-Paradigms; but I digress.) The Paragon model relates to the Nader Syndrome, also above. Tell ole Bill (when he comes home, this mornin')(hey, *there's* music) that I'd druther have him, rascally roving rambler-and-a-gambler that he is, in Warshington Dee See, than some pious ascetic celibate Papish Archbishop. Nowait, bad example. Well you know what I mean. "Nobody EVER expects the Spanish Inquisition." I'll bet John Ashcroft is a Paragon of Virtue, personally. Hell, when he lost an election to a dead man he gracefully accepted the humiliating results. Then he sacrified even further for his country by accepting the Attorney Generalship. (Generalhood? Generality?) Certainly he wants us all to behave like ladies and gentleman. And he'll see to it that we do too, or else. (Oh, hi there John. Good Forum, ain't it? Just harmless music. Naah we're all good Amurricans here. Especially the Brits.) "Oh Lord, teach us to seek thy Truth, and preserve us from those who are certain they have already found it." Congressman Christopher Shays, R-CT, is an honest man. Also our saintly Senator Joe Lieberman, D-CT, used to be; but lately, I dunno...doing a bit of backing-and-filling these days...
BTW re the Secret Service being the Zipper Guard (also also above above)- I read somewhere that in Camelot those federal-agent fellers ("Mulder, it's me") had to guard the closed doors of the White House basement swimming pool when JFK was in there doing, uh, laps with Frick and/or Frack. For his bad back, y'know. God do I hate petty gossip. It's so immoral. |
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10 Aug 02 - 04:00 PM (#763084) Subject: RE: BS: A Little Good News From: The Pooka And speaking of Clintons, Kennedys, morality & money [Pooka stream-of-unconsciousness download here, after longtime awa']: I see by the papers that those two Paradigmatic Aragorns of Virtue, the junior Senator from New York and the senior Senator from Massachusetts, are engaging in a "friendly competition" over whether Nyoo Yawk City or Baahhston shall host the 2004 Dimmycratic National Convention---and thus, subliminally, over who is really the Democratic First Family: the Rodhamclintonian Dynamic Duo, or the Clan Kennedy of the Hyannisport Hielands, the Maryland Midlands, and the Rhode Island Lowlands Low. Thing is, NYC offers more moo-lah. "Gee THAT'S a big surprise!" But the Cradle of Liberty offers a precious national treasure: Massa Chusetts, Himself: Uncle Teddy in (maybe) his Last Hurrah. The Blessings of Honey Fitz and Ambassador Joe, and Hizzoner Mayor James Michael Curley, would surely be upon the gathering. // But after his magnificent 1980 convention oration at the graveside of his own presidential candidacy, what could Senator Ted do for an encore? / Arrah he'll cross that bridge when he comes to it. This is a music forum: Skeffington, Skeffington, cast your vote for Skeffington He's the man, with the plan, he's our favorite son Hurry up hurry up hurry up Vote! For Skeffington! |
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11 Aug 02 - 06:15 AM (#763311) Subject: RE: BS: A Little Good News From: Hrothgar Just a foreigner's impression - I reckon Bill Clinton was a good governor of Arkansas, but the trouble was that he was still acting like a governor of Arkansas when he was president of the USA. |