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14 Aug 02 - 03:06 PM (#765330) Subject: Triplet strumming techniques From: GUEST,Fred Miller I used to have a lot of trouble doing triplet strums of any sort, flatpicked or fingerstrums, but I like the feel of them, probably overuse them. With a pick, I've simply gotten a bit better at accenting an alternated up-stroke, to get the triplets rolling, but I've also started doing this odd thing between my thumb-down-up stroking with a finger-frail stroke thrown in. It's do-able with a flatpick and a finger. My question is, anybody do this? What is it? Sounds like something I've heard before, but I wonder is it a named flamenco sort of strum, or anything? Any other such things? |
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14 Aug 02 - 03:28 PM (#765353) Subject: RE: Triplet strumming techniques From: Big Mick Fred.......sorry for the drift, but are you from the Grand Rapids, Michigan area? Mick |
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15 Aug 02 - 10:38 AM (#765827) Subject: RE: Triplet strumming techniques From: GUEST,Fred No Mick, but it raises my eyebrow that you ask. Are triplet strumming issues regional? Did I use an odd expression? I'm in Louisville, and don't mind drift. I'm pro-drift, it seems natural. |
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15 Aug 02 - 12:31 PM (#765914) Subject: RE: Triplet strumming techniques From: Big Mick Nope, Fred, but I know a musician by the name of Fred Miller that I would love to see become a part of this community. He is from my home area of Grand Rapids, Michigan. That is why I asked. Back to the topic now, but thanks for the reply. All the best, Mick |
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15 Aug 02 - 02:54 PM (#766028) Subject: RE: Triplet strumming techniques From: Murray MacLeod The king of the triplets, in any form, flatpicked or finger-picked, is Tony McManus. He can do them on any string with a fast index-middle-ring finger roll, and just for good measure, can do lightning-fast triplets on the bass strings with just his thumbnail. For a sample of his technique,(although not the most stunning example) give a listen to his MP3 Jackie Coleman's Set Murray
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15 Aug 02 - 07:27 PM (#766169) Subject: RE: Triplet strumming techniques From: GUEST,Folkmonster I'd check out Dick Gaughan who *is* the king ;O) check the uk.music.folk forum on www.deja.com (google groups) and ask him - he's always helpful. |
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15 Aug 02 - 07:52 PM (#766181) Subject: RE: Triplet strumming techniques From: Murray MacLeod Not decrying Dick Gaughan as a guitarist, Tony McManus acknowledges him as an influence, but Gaughan's technique is limited to flatpicking, at which he is extremely good, but, let's be serious, even as a flatpicker, he cannot be compared to McManus. Murray
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15 Aug 02 - 08:02 PM (#766190) Subject: RE: Triplet strumming techniques From: GUEST,Folkmonster OK. Maybe. But Mr Gaughan was there first, and did it with most b*lls ;O) ALthough when I asked hime once years ago how he did those triplets and stuff on 'Coppers and Brass' he said 'Lot's o' practice'. At least I *think* that's what he said... FM |
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16 Aug 02 - 10:27 AM (#766426) Subject: RE: Triplet strumming techniques From: Uncle_DaveO You've GOT to hear Howie Birsten, on either banjo or guitar! Dave Oesterreich |
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16 Aug 02 - 03:48 PM (#766610) Subject: RE: Triplet strumming techniques From: Murray MacLeod Dave O, a search for "Howie Birsten" in Google yields the message "Your search - Howie Birsten - did not match any documents". Have you spelled his name correctly or is he just incredibly eclectic? Murray |
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16 Aug 02 - 04:01 PM (#766616) Subject: RE: Triplet strumming techniques From: Uncle_DaveO My face is red. Search for Howie (or maybe you would find it as Howard) Bursen. He has at least one CD available on Folk Legacy Records, called "Banjo Manikin", and I think possibly another one. Also a tape, "Cider in the Kitchen", also from Folk Legacy. Wonderful, clean picking, in fantastic control. And a voice and singing style that are clear, clean, and under control to go with it. Dave Oesterreich |
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16 Aug 02 - 04:13 PM (#766619) Subject: RE: Triplet strumming techniques From: Murray MacLeod You have aroused my curiosity, I shall investigate further. Always delighted to hear about about really good lesser-known pickers.... Murray
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16 Aug 02 - 04:21 PM (#766624) Subject: RE: Triplet strumming techniques From: GUEST,Fred Miller Thanks, I don't know any of these people, better check it out. |
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16 Aug 02 - 04:22 PM (#766625) Subject: RE: Triplet strumming techniques From: Uncle_DaveO Look him up at: http://www.folklegacy.com/cd/american.htm Dave Oesterreich |
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16 Aug 02 - 04:28 PM (#766627) Subject: RE: Triplet strumming techniques From: Uncle_DaveO Or even better, Howie and his wife's website: http://www.sallyrogers.com/howie/howies_music.html This website lists all of his tapes and CDs, with cover shots and publishers.
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20 Aug 02 - 10:59 AM (#768548) Subject: RE: Triplet strumming techniques From: GUEST,Fred Miller Murray, I enjoyed that quite a bit, but it's really strumming that gave me special trouble, and I'm looking into. But the thumbnail thing is similar to what I'm doing--it's almost a sweep arpeggio down-up with the thumb while a finger, usually my middle does a down with the thumb-downstroke, then up slightly off-synch with the thumb up. I almost can't tell what I'm doing anymore but it rolls very easy and fast, sounds crazy on a mandolin. I'm thinking I've heard something like it in flamenco stuff, I don't know. |
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20 Aug 02 - 08:07 PM (#768820) Subject: RE: Triplet strumming techniques From: Murray MacLeod Fred, FWIW, Tony McManus did tell me that he had borrowed the "vibrating thumb" technique from flamenco players. Murray |
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21 Aug 02 - 10:18 AM (#769082) Subject: RE: Triplet strumming techniques From: GUEST,Fred Miller Interesting bit. I use a pick that folds over the side edge of my thumb, puts a ridge there. I'll have to listen to some more of him, these guys, for what they're doing. Thanks. |
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08 Oct 03 - 04:46 PM (#1031953) Subject: RE: Triplet strumming techniques From: Sam L The other day I saw an Andean musician doing my triplet strum on a Charango (sp?), except he did it with two fingers in a claw-like way. I don't know enough about clawhammer tech to know if it may be common, but it works about the same as my thumb-and-finger method. He didn't have a name for it, called it tremolo. |
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28 Dec 04 - 01:46 AM (#1365648) Subject: RE: Triplet strumming techniques From: GUEST,anishaero@hotmail.com I would like to learn guitar triplet strumming techniques. So please forward it to e-mail. Thank you |
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12 Mar 06 - 02:39 PM (#1691384) Subject: RE: Triplet strumming techniques From: GUEST,Susan Please explain what triplet strumming techniqes are. I'm trying to learn different guitar strum patterns. Peace, Susan |
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12 Mar 06 - 02:48 PM (#1691390) Subject: RE: Triplet strumming techniques From: Declan Slight thread drift here but a friend of mine met Barney McKenna (Banjo player with the Dubliners) the other day in Howth. My friend also plays banjo and Mandolin. He asked Barney how he held the plectrum. Barney advised my friend to hold the plectrum between the thumb and first finger and to cup it with his hand. His advice on how tightly to hold the plectrum was to think of it as a tiny bird between your fingers - hold it too tightly and you will strangle it, but too loosely and it will fly away. This sounded like good advice to me. |
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12 Mar 06 - 11:20 PM (#1691691) Subject: RE: Triplet strumming techniques From: Phil Cooper I always admired the way Dick Gaughan flat-picked triplets on "Coppers & Brass." However, being a finger-picker, I was not able to do that. I figured out a way to imitate the triplets using my thumb and index fingers, alternating. I just used that technique for the measure or two requiring the triplets, then went back to regular finger-picking patterns. The classical tremolo technique didn't work for me. |
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13 Mar 06 - 03:51 AM (#1691765) Subject: RE: Triplet strumming techniques From: GUEST,leeneia Hi, Susan. A triplet is a musical effect where we fit three notes into the time usually taken by one beat. For example, here's a link to the old song "They didn't believe me." http://members.fortunecity.com/casey/music/theydidntbelieveme.mid If you're acquainted with this song, then listen for the words, "and when I tell them - and I'm certainly going to tell them..." The word "certainly" is a triplet. Here is how I time them. Suppose a song is in 4/4 time. Count 1 2 3 4 steadily for a while, patting your knee or tapping your foot. To hear a triplet, substitute the word "wonderful" for one of the beats like this: 1 won-der-ful 3 4. Make sure the word takes up the same amount of time as the other beats - that's where the tapping helps. Out of idle curiousity I just picked up a guitar and did this, and I found it so easy that I don't understand why there's a thread on it, so maybe guitarists use triplet to mean something special. Or perhaps they are talking about doing a triplet while playing a melody on the guitar - I was just strumming. |
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06 Aug 06 - 02:30 PM (#1802821) Subject: RE: Triplet strumming techniques From: The Sandman learning to play tenor banjo , using sullys picking techniques which involve alot of cross picking , is apretty good way to master flat picking then tune your topthree strings on the guitar like a TENOR banjo E A D D A E. Apart fromthe stretch being alittle more its a piece of cake, . |
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07 Aug 06 - 04:46 AM (#1803267) Subject: RE: Triplet strumming techniques From: s&r I think the problem with strumming triplets described by many people may be 6/8 strumming, where the problem with alternate picking is that the second group of three starts with an upstroke which is harder to emphasize. DUD UDU Stu |
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07 Aug 06 - 01:35 PM (#1803618) Subject: RE: Triplet strumming techniques From: The Sandman Aaccording to two different banjo tutors, they should be emphasised D U D, D U D. That way you get the correct emphasis for 6/8.on the first and fourth beats where you normally tap your foot. |
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08 Aug 06 - 12:41 PM (#1804505) Subject: RE: Triplet strumming techniques From: GUEST For info: Tony McManus's approach to triplets differs according to the string. For the top three strings (generally) he uses ami (ring, middle, index) which is the classic tremolo method. For the lower strings he finds a lack of clarity with this method, and so uses either thumb, index, thumb (or index, thumb, index) or the aforementioned down-up-down with the thumb. Cheers Cookie |