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15 Aug 02 - 07:51 AM (#765754) Subject: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: Deni Hi there, Does anyone know this song, and where I can get hold of it. The weeping and wailing comes in the chorus. Heard it at Dartmoor Festival UK last weekend. Thanks in anticipation... Deni |
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15 Aug 02 - 08:27 AM (#765767) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: masato sakurai This may not be the one, but a song titled THE MINERS' FATE is in the DT. ~Masato
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15 Aug 02 - 09:19 AM (#765791) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: Hawker Deni..... Was that it? Quicker than I guessed eh? Rachael is OK, had shower and done the village shop bit! Good company last nite, Cheers, Lucy |
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15 Aug 02 - 09:44 AM (#765799) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: Den Or was it "The Blantyre Explosion" By Clyde's Bonnie Banks as I sadly did wander, Among the pit heaps as evening drew nigh. I spied a fair maiden all dressed in deep mourning, She was weeping and wailing with many a sigh. I stept up beside her and this I addressed her; "Pray tell me fair maid of your sorrow and pain." Oh sobbing and sighing at last she did answer; "Johnny Murphy, kind sir, was my true lover's name." Twenty one years of age full of youth and good looking, To work in the mines of high Blantyre he came. The wedding was fixed all the guest were invited, That calm summers evening my Johnny was slain. The explosion was heard, all the women and children, With pale anxious faces they ran to the mine. When the news was made known all the hills rang with mourning, Three hundred and ten young miners were slain. Now husbands and wives and sweethearts and brothers, That Blantyre explosion you'll never forget. And all you young miners that hear my sad story, Remember your comrades who lie at their rest. |
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15 Aug 02 - 10:14 AM (#765813) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: masato sakurai BLANTYRE EXPLOSION is in the DT. See also this thread: Help: Coal mine disasters/troubles. ~Masato
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15 Aug 02 - 11:14 AM (#765847) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: GUEST,Wombat (wife of Raggytash) This could be the Ted Edwards song. When Raggytash gets home from work tonight I will refer him to this thread, as he knows all the words. |
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15 Aug 02 - 03:57 PM (#766075) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: Raggytash Hope this is the one you want......... Chorus goes
weepin' an' wailin' away the men at the coal an' the women at home an; they're weepin' an' wailin' away. If this is the correct one I'll put in the rest of the words |
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15 Aug 02 - 04:23 PM (#766086) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: Harry Basnett I think you're right on the location, Raggytash...Brian (Ted) Edwards also wrote the powerful "Coal and Albert Berry"...Gary and Vera Aspey have recorded some of his material. All the bedt.........Harry. |
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15 Aug 02 - 07:16 PM (#766159) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: Raggytash Harryoldham, Ted has been a mate of mine for over 30 years, just testing the waters to ensure that the right bloke got the credit. Cheers
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16 Aug 02 - 07:23 AM (#766371) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: Deni Thanks all of you. the one Raggytash got is the right one. I'm delighted. i'd love to hear it again, meanwhile could you please post the rest of the lyrics. gratefully den |
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17 Aug 02 - 03:08 AM (#766865) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: Liz the Squeak Vera Aspey recorded it but I can't tell you what album as I cribbed it from a compilation. I'll try and dig out the words for you... I have to find a disk and that could take a while.... LTS |
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17 Aug 02 - 07:15 PM (#767192) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: Liz the Squeak Still can't find the disk, sorry, but refresh this so's I remember to look tomorrow when I've not had several glasses of wine..... LTS |
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18 Aug 02 - 06:03 AM (#767364) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: Harry Basnett Hi, Liz..... Vera Aspey's version of 'Weeping and Wailing Away' is from Gart and Vera's 'A Taste of Hotpot' album (Topic?) which was a live recording. All the best.......Harry.
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18 Aug 02 - 07:54 AM (#767390) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: Liz the Squeak That doesn't help me but thanks... I still can't find the disk and I'm surrounded by them now!! LTS |
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19 Aug 02 - 02:48 AM (#767784) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: Liz the Squeak REfreshing to remind me to LOOK FOR THE BLOODY DISK! This is getting personal now... it has the whole first half of my repertoire on it (yeah, I know, bit excessive for 3 songs....) and I need to know where it is!!! LTS |
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19 Aug 02 - 05:50 AM (#767824) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: Deni Plenty of time. Don't drive yourself crazy by being helpful, will you? Cheers deni |
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25 Aug 02 - 06:07 PM (#771415) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: Raggytash Deni, Poor timing on your part I'm afraid, the 17th saw the start of Whitby Folk Week where any self respecting folkie north of Watford descends on this beautiful East Coast Fishing port for a week (make that 10 days of singing dancing cavorting etc) Just got back absolutelt knackered, haven't forgotten to put the words on, it's just that the excesses of the last few days means that bed beckons Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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26 Aug 02 - 02:14 AM (#771593) Subject: Lyr Add: WEEPIN' AN' WAILIN' (Ted Edwards) From: Raggytash WEEPIN' AN' WAILIN' (Copyright Ted Edwards)
I'm goin' now, Mary. I'm off down t' pit. [CHORUS: see original e-mail]
It's well I remember when I'm at the face
Me favver were under a big fall o' dirt,
They say as the days of the miner are done,
EINS = EYES |
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26 Aug 02 - 02:33 AM (#771602) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: Raggytash The last verse should read "our Jinnys young man" not lad |
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26 Aug 02 - 11:38 AM (#771750) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: Tiger Are there ANY happy mining songs? OK, maybe the seven dwarfs in their diamond mine. |
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11 Sep 02 - 06:11 AM (#781122) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: Deni Thanks a lot, raggytash and all you others I was really impressed when I heard it, now maybe I can learn it!!!!!!!!!! cheers deni |
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20 Apr 04 - 09:03 PM (#1166694) Subject: Lyr Add: WEEPIN' AN' WAILIN' AWAY (Ted Edwards) From: Bernard Just stumbled across this... For the sake of accuracy (I'm an insufferable pedant!!), Ted used the word 'een', not 'eins', meaning eyes. Also, it's 'Jinny's young mon'. There are other subtle differences, too. Please don't take this as a criticism - that's not how it's meant! My copy of the words was given to me by Ted, and is a scanned copy of his original... it couldn't be more authentic than that, so here is a transcript: I'm gooin', ney, Mary, I'm off deyn to t'pit, In an hour I'll be at the coal I'll be mekin' good brass fer our Jimmy and thee, Dost remember when I were on t'dole? So gi' us me tin, put thi smile on thi face, I'll be back a'fower th'endin' o't'day An' don't let it show, love, let nobody see As tha's weepin' an' wailin' away. CHORUS: Weepin' an' wailin' away Weepin' an' wailin' away The men at the coal, and the women at home, And they're weepin' an' wailin' away. It's well I remember when I'm at the face That summer when I courted thee We'd walk o'er t'common and I'd owd thi 'and, For an hour or two we'd be free Then I'd tek thi to t'pictures an' then walk thi wom We'd be feelin' so 'appy and gay But when th'ooter'd blow in the mornin' I'd know Tha'd be weepin' an' wailin' away. (chorus) Me feyther were under a big fall o'dirt An' he'll never walk proper again. An' his feyther, too, he's got stag in his een, An' both of 'em started full men. I remember that look in me owd lady's eyes When I went wi' me dad that fust day It wasn't the same as when I went to schoo' Er were weepin' an' wailin' away. (chorus) They sen as the days of the miner are done For there's oil and there's gas from t'North Sea An' ney atom power is bein' browt in, But I think as it's too late for me. But our Jinny's young son, he's just started in t' pit An' afower he's much owder they may Shut that big Iron gate an' stop Jinny fro' waitin' An' weepin' an' wailin' away. (chorus) Ted is a 'Songs in the Snug' regular at the Railway, Heatley. On Wednesday April 14th 2004 he actually sang the song for us (and Albert Berry, too), which was a rare treat. Better still, he has agreed to let me record him! He will be 65 on Sunday April 25th 2004... call into Wetherspoons in Eccles and wish him well! |
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21 Apr 04 - 08:03 AM (#1167007) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: GUEST,Cllr at work "For the sake of accuracy (I'm an insufferable pedant!!), Ted used the word 'een', not 'eins', meaning eyes. Also, it's 'Jinny's young mon'." You have written it "Jinny's young son" in the song presumably that's wrong then. (as an insufferable pedant how will you live with yourself now?) cllr |
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21 Apr 04 - 05:53 PM (#1167299) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: Zany Mouse Yes, Tiger, there certainly is at least one happy mining song. Mick Pearce (MCP) signs a brilliant song called "Success Unto the Coal Trade". At the end of the song though he adds a pipe tune called "Small Coals for Little Money" - which says it all really. Rhiannon |
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22 Apr 04 - 10:23 AM (#1167937) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: Flash Company Pleased to hear Ted is still going strong after the adventurous life he has led, The silly bugger once trekked through the Sahara with a camel and a video camera, Nearly died through water shortage as I recall! FC |
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22 Apr 04 - 05:56 PM (#1168390) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: Herga Kitty MCP has recorded Blood on the Coals (written by Charlie Hardy), which says it all, too.... |
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22 Apr 04 - 06:00 PM (#1168395) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: Herga Kitty And, of course, Johnny Handle wrote "Guard your man well through the neet". Kitty |
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22 Apr 04 - 06:51 PM (#1168433) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: Gareth Hmmm ! - I've said it afore, and I'll say it agin. There was an old toast in the South Wales Miners Federation. " To the day the last man leaves the last Pit on the last shift" Be carefull what you pray for, you might get it ! Gareth |
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23 Apr 04 - 10:34 AM (#1168966) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: Flash Company Tiger, From the same source as Weeping & Wailing away, ie Ted Edwards, comes a song called 'Coal Hole Cavalry'. I dont have all the words, but it is about Ted's thoughts whilst lying in bed in a morning listening to the miners in their clogs going to work, and thinking it sounded like the cavalry charge in the western films that he saw on a Saturday:- Colliers riding a million horses, Clitter clitter clatter all over the world, Bugger off indians! cavalry's coming, Picks and shovels and banners unfurled! CH Clittering and clattering, coal hole cavalry, Galloping rain or shine, Clittering and clattering, coal hole cavalry, Galloping down t' th' mine FC |
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23 Apr 04 - 11:18 AM (#1169007) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: GUEST,Raggytash Flash There is a thread pertaining to this song on the site somewhere, and you are correct in stating it's origin (Ted lying in bed as a kid) Whilst Bernard may have a photocopy of the manuscript of Weepin' an' wailin' I am fortunate enough the have the original of Coal Hole Cavalry, which takes pride of place on my piano. Incidentally I will be seeing Ted tomorow night at his 65th Birthday bash, I belive he is also going into the Eccles Cross on Sunday lunchtime ......... if he gets out of bed in time !! Raggy |
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23 Apr 04 - 11:24 AM (#1169012) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: Malcolm Douglas Coal Hole Cavalry Lyr/Chords Req: Coal Hole Cavalry |
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24 Apr 04 - 02:13 PM (#1169825) Subject: RE: Lyr Req: weeping and wailing mining song, please From: Bernard See you at Ted's tonight, Raggy! I've got 'originals' of all Ted's stuff, too... I'll bring a CD copy of Ted's BBC GMR interview on March 23rd for you. Sorry about the error in the song above, Mick - I should have checked that the OCR software had correctly translated it all! Hee hee! Ain't technology wunnerful! |