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Lyr/Chords Req: Queen, Queen Caroline

27 Aug 02 - 06:50 PM (#772530)
Subject: Queen, Queen Caroline
From: GUEST,Helen

Hi, I grew up in Swinton. Lancashire and as a young girl we had a swimming game that was accompanied by a chant about Queen Caroline dipping her head in the Serpenine. Can anyone help me with this verse. I really don't think there is a tune , more of a child's chant. Thanks, H.


27 Aug 02 - 07:57 PM (#772570)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Queen, Queen Caroline
From: Malcolm Douglas

Queenie, Queenie Caroline,
Dipped her head in turpentine,
Turpentine to make it shine,
Queenie, Queenie Caroline.

- Girl, 9, Annesley [Nottinghamshire]  (The Lore and Language of Schoolchildren, Iona and Peter Opie, 1959.)


27 Aug 02 - 11:52 PM (#772697)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Queen, Queen Caroline
From: masato sakurai

A. From: Roger D. Abrahams and Lois Rankin, eds., Counting-Out Rhymes: A Dictionary (University of Texas Press, 1980, p. 195):

465
Queen, queen, Caroline,
Dipped her hair in turpentine,
Turpentine made it shine.
Queen, queen Caroline.

Usually a taunt. Also found as a jump-rope rhyme; see JRR, p. 184 ("Sweet, sweet Caroline").

Bolton (1888), 116 [Edinburgh, Scotland].
Gregor (1891), 11, 24 [Scotland]. Six variants: one begins "Eevil, eevil, eevil-ine"; one, "Eery, ary, areline."
Clinton Johnson (1896), 165. Begins "Engine number nine."
Waugh, JAF, 31 (1918), 46 [Ontario, 1909].
Reid, Misc. of Rymour Club, 1 (1911), 104 [Edinburgh]. Begins "Good Queen Caroline." Ritchie (1965), 40, 47 [Edinburgh]. Two variants.

B. From: Roger D. Abrahams, ed., Jump-Rope Rhymes: A Dictionary (University of Texas Press, 1969, p. 184):

(535)
Sweet, sweet Caroline,
Dipt her face in Terpentine,
Terpentine, made it shine.
Sweet sweet Caroline.

Also a counting-out rhyme.

Douglas (1916), 61 [London].

~Masato


28 Aug 02 - 04:14 AM (#772779)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Queen, Queen Caroline
From: masato sakurai

Other varinats:

(1) From HERE (this seems to be a song).

Queen, Queen Caroline,
Won't you be my valentine?
I'll slay the dragon, hang him from the line,
If you will be my valentine.

(2) From HERE.

Queen, Queen Caroline,
Washed her hair in turpentine,
Turpentine to make it shine
Queen, Queen, Caroline.


28 Aug 02 - 05:39 AM (#772798)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Queen, Queen Caroline
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)

Somewhere I heard that the turpentine version of this was a taunt because washing hair with turp. was to get rid of the lice!


28 Aug 02 - 10:49 AM (#772930)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Queen, Queen Caroline
From: GUEST,Pat Darlington

There is a (Scottish?) version which has "Gipsy, gipsy Caroline" washing her hair in turpentine, with a second verse which replaces turpentine with "V.P. wine" (V.P. is one of a family of cheap, potent and generally disgusting fortified wines popular with those in central Scotland who want to get wasted frequently and don't have a lot of dough - see also Buckfast, Lanliq, Four Crown, Eldorado, Melroso...)


28 Aug 02 - 11:17 AM (#772952)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Queen, Queen Caroline
From: masato sakurai

"Gipsy, gipsy Caroline" is collected as a ball bouncing rhyme in NW England (See this page).


30 Aug 02 - 09:48 PM (#774608)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Queen, Queen Caroline
From: GUEST,Helen


30 Aug 02 - 11:10 PM (#774635)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Queen, Queen Caroline
From: masato sakurai

Helen, what's the swimming game like?

~Masato


31 Aug 02 - 10:26 PM (#775032)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Queen, Queen Caroline
From: Layna

Queen, queen Caroline - the swimming game : You join hands in a long line with the end person touching the side of the pool. The person at the other end swims under the arm of the first bringing everyone with him/her. Then they swim between the next people and so on. Each person ends up turned around with their arms crossed in front of them, then the end people join hands and make a circle. Then you chant the Caroline verse and dip your head into the water.


31 Aug 02 - 10:37 PM (#775036)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Queen, Queen Caroline
From: masato sakurai

Thanks a lot, Layna.

~Masato